We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[Indeependent]

Only they didn't. They were living in the southern Arabian peninsula until quite recently. There were Jews in the region CONTINUOUSLY for over 3,000 years. The Pali's only showed up in the last 150 years or so.

So you are saying that Haifa, Jaffa, Acca, Gaza, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, etc. and hundreds of villages had nobody living there 150 years ago?

They certainly didn't have Palestinians living there. That is provable.

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Yes; the 1948 war that you wrote out of history.

Do try to keep up.

Reading your bullshit makes it hard to stay up.

 

[westwall]

Sooooo, 3,000 years? Give or take?

So, the people who only lived there for 2000 years can get the boot?

Only they didn't. They were living in the southern Arabian peninsula until quite recently. There were Jews in the region CONTINUOUSLY for over 3,000 years. The Pali's only showed up in the last 150 years or so.

So you are saying that Haifa, Jaffa, Acca, Gaza, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, etc. and hundreds of villages had nobody living there 150 years ago?

They certainly didn't have Palestinians living there. That is provable.

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

 

[Indeependent]

So, the people who only lived there for 2000 years can get the boot?

Only they didn't. They were living in the southern Arabian peninsula until quite recently. There were Jews in the region CONTINUOUSLY for over 3,000 years. The Pali's only showed up in the last 150 years or so.

So you are saying that Haifa, Jaffa, Acca, Gaza, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, etc. and hundreds of villages had nobody living there 150 years ago?

They certainly didn't have Palestinians living there. That is provable.

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

If Tin went back in time and saw the truth he would be unable to handle it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, the people who only lived there for 2000 years can get the boot?

Only they didn't. They were living in the southern Arabian peninsula until quite recently. There were Jews in the region CONTINUOUSLY for over 3,000 years. The Pali's only showed up in the last 150 years or so.

So you are saying that Haifa, Jaffa, Acca, Gaza, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, etc. and hundreds of villages had nobody living there 150 years ago?

They certainly didn't have Palestinians living there. That is provable.

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

 

[keepitreal]

God said I can have your house. Are you good with that?

Lol...God promised to return His people
to THEIR homeland, that they were driven from

God will do whatever He wants...deal with it!

...but let us assume that the entire jewish narrative is true. For you to accomplish the above would require murder (which you previously admitted was wrong) and the theft of land and homes which you admitted was wrong right on this thread.

The entire Jewish narrative is true with respect to Jewish history in that place.

And to accomplish the restoration of both the Jewish and Arab Palestinian peoples requires nothing more than mutual recognition, respect and compromise.

Apparently that is too much for the Arabs to cope with.

Both of these posts go back to the idea that G-d wants his chosen people to kill his children.

It is ridiculous for obvious reasons.

Now before posting again, remember that Europeans have as much right to Palestine as the Chinese have to the Bahamas.

Both of these posts go back to the idea that G-d wants his chosen people to kill his children.

It is ridiculous for obvious reasons.

Oh please, that statement ^ is ridiculous for obvious reasons!

 

[westwall]

Only they didn't. They were living in the southern Arabian peninsula until quite recently. There were Jews in the region CONTINUOUSLY for over 3,000 years. The Pali's only showed up in the last 150 years or so.

So you are saying that Haifa, Jaffa, Acca, Gaza, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, etc. and hundreds of villages had nobody living there 150 years ago?

They certainly didn't have Palestinians living there. That is provable.

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

 

[keepitreal]

Wrong. I am well versed in the history of stupidity. The Pali's have received hundreds of millions of the American Peoples tax dollars and the place they call home is a shit hole of their OWN making. The simple reality is the Palestinian people are nothing more than professional victims so that their leadership can live large on their suffering. The Pali leadership doesn't suffer. They enjoy the night life in Monaco while the people they supposedly represent get their homes blown to hell, and their children get turned into bombs.
Idiot's, like you, enable that bullshit to continue.

Spoken like a true psychotic, pathological lying A-hole.

Back up with proof:
"The Pali's have received hundreds of millions of the American Peoples tax dollars..."

The rest, well, more total crap and COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC! SUCKS THAT WE HAVE RULES that only apply to some.

Back on topic if you please... is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

Spoken like a true psychotic, pathological lying A-hole.

**** you! You want people to engage in a topic,
only if it lines up with your point of view.

Back on topic if you please... is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

You keep asking the same stupid question over and over...
as if its that simple...that's it, that's all

Know why your question is stupid....
because that is how countries were formed
and Empires were built, you moron...nothing new

Do you own land? If so, maybe you'd like to consider
donating the land to Native Indian descendants

 

[P F Tinmore]

So you are saying that Haifa, Jaffa, Acca, Gaza, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, etc. and hundreds of villages had nobody living there 150 years ago?

They certainly didn't have Palestinians living there. That is provable.

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

 

[louie888]

Oh please, that statement ^ is ridiculous for obvious reasons!

State them... let's see.

 

[louie888]

Wrong. I am well versed in the history of stupidity. The Pali's have received hundreds of millions of the American Peoples tax dollars and the place they call home is a shit hole of their OWN making. The simple reality is the Palestinian people are nothing more than professional victims so that their leadership can live large on their suffering. The Pali leadership doesn't suffer. They enjoy the night life in Monaco while the people they supposedly represent get their homes blown to hell, and their children get turned into bombs.
Idiot's, like you, enable that bullshit to continue.

Spoken like a true psychotic, pathological lying A-hole.

Back up with proof:
"The Pali's have received hundreds of millions of the American Peoples tax dollars..."

The rest, well, more total crap and COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC! SUCKS THAT WE HAVE RULES that only apply to some.

Back on topic if you please... is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

Spoken like a true psychotic, pathological lying A-hole.

**** you! You want people to engage in a topic,
only if it lines up with your point of view.

Back on topic if you please... is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

You keep asking the same stupid question over and over...
as if its that simple...that's it, that's all

Know why your question is stupid....
because that is how countries were formed
and Empires were built, you moron...nothing new

Do you own land? If so, maybe you'd like to consider
donating the land to Native Indian descendants

It is actually simple, even to a small child.

Is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

 

[westwall]

Wrong. I am well versed in the history of stupidity. The Pali's have received hundreds of millions of the American Peoples tax dollars and the place they call home is a shit hole of their OWN making. The simple reality is the Palestinian people are nothing more than professional victims so that their leadership can live large on their suffering. The Pali leadership doesn't suffer. They enjoy the night life in Monaco while the people they supposedly represent get their homes blown to hell, and their children get turned into bombs.
Idiot's, like you, enable that bullshit to continue.

Spoken like a true psychotic, pathological lying A-hole.

Back up with proof:
"The Pali's have received hundreds of millions of the American Peoples tax dollars..."

The rest, well, more total crap and COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC! SUCKS THAT WE HAVE RULES that only apply to some.

Back on topic if you please... is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

Spoken like a true psychotic, pathological lying A-hole.

**** you! You want people to engage in a topic,
only if it lines up with your point of view.

Back on topic if you please... is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

You keep asking the same stupid question over and over...
as if its that simple...that's it, that's all

Know why your question is stupid....
because that is how countries were formed
and Empires were built, you moron...nothing new

Do you own land? If so, maybe you'd like to consider
donating the land to Native Indian descendants

It is actually simple, even to a small child.

Is it right to steal land and peoples homes? YES OR NO? Shusha already admitted that that is wrong. Can you?

We already answered you. Yes, it is wrong. But, how far back is it OK to steal a peoples land?

 

[westwall]

They certainly didn't have Palestinians living there. That is provable.

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

 

[louie888]

We already answered you. Yes, it is wrong.

Good.

Please stop now.

 

[Shusha]

Its wrong to steal land. The people from whom it was stolen was the Jewish people. How are you planning to restore the Jewish people to their stolen land?

 

[westwall]

We already answered you. Yes, it is wrong.

Good.

Please stop now.

Why? Don't like having to deal with inconvenient truths? That's just too bad for you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So there was a mass exodus and a whole new population moved in?

Link?

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

 

[Hollie]

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

Link?

 

[louie888]

Why? Don't like having to deal with inconvenient truths? That's just too bad for you.

Inconvenient truths? Wow, OK, let's break this down to it's simplest form.

 

[westwall]

Here's a good essay on the demographics of Israel. Read it and learn something factual, as opposed to the propaganda you surround yourself with.



"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7

A number of factors account for this dramatic underpopulation, one of which is environmental. Many people fled the area as early as the fourteenth century as a result of the Black Plague. Starting shortly thereafter, many areas became swamp-infested and malarial, especially in the northern valleys. There is much evidence to suggest that, by the mid-nineteenth century, the region had become nearly uninhabitable. Around this time, German Templars tried to settle the Kinrot Valley, where Jesus had lived, but were forced to leave due to the prevalence of malaria.8Jewish settlers in the 1880s attempted to inhabit the Hula valley, but in some places child mortality rates were nearly 100% because of disease.9The Talmud remarks, �If the Garden of Eden is in the Land of Israel, Beit-Shean is its gateway.�10But when the scholar H.B. Tristram visited the area in the 1860s, traveling in the footsteps of Jesus, he claimed, �We saw not a tree....It is scarcely conceivable how any human beings can inhabit such sites; but such is the contrast, nowhere more settling than here, between ancient civilization and modern degradation.�11 Mark Twain was disillusioned by his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote, �Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes�desolate and unlovely�it is dreamland.�12Even by 1931, after many early Zionist efforts to clear the land, only a third of the whole region was cultivable.13No doubt, the lack of fertile land and presence of disease contributed to the comparatively limited population growth."

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

 

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Why? Don't like having to deal with inconvenient truths? That's just too bad for you.

Inconvenient truths? Wow, OK, let's break this down to it's simplest form.

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Oh look, it's the simpleton again. Riddle me this batman, the Jews have been in the region for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians only arrived about 150 years ago. Who is taking the land away form who again?