We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[louie888]

The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews

No proof though.

They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years.

No proof though.

The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago.

Palestine was called that since centuries before Christ. Israel was called that since 1948. The facts are very clear on that.

 

[westwall]

The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews

No proof though.

They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years.

No proof though.

The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago.

Palestine was called that since centuries before Christ. Israel was called that since 1948. The facts are very clear on that.

There is period history going back 3,000 years that prove beyond doubt that the Jews have always been there. The various Muslim rulers have kept extensive tax records and they show beyond question that the Jews were never not there. Your whole belief system is based on nothing more than fantasy.



And, no, it wasn't. It was called Judea, and before that it was the Land of Canaan.


"Canaan was the name of a large and prosperous country (at times independent, at others a tributary to Egypt) which corresponds roughly to present-day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Israel and was also known as Phoenicia. The origin of the name `Canaan’ for the land comes from various ancient texts (among them the Hebrew Bible) and there is no scholarly consensus on precisely where the name originated nor what it was intended to convey about the land. According to the Bible the land was named after a man called Canaan, the grandson of Noah (Genesis 10). Other theories cite `Canaan’ as derived from the Hurrian language for `purple’ and, as the Greeks knew the Canaanites as `Phoenicians’ (Greek for `purple’ as the Phoenicians worked, primarily at the city of Tyre, in purple dye and so were called by the Greeks `purple people’) this explanation is the most probable but, by no means, provable."

Canaan

 

[louie888]

There is period history going back 3,000 years that prove beyond doubt that the Jews have always been there.

I know that you state that.

The various Muslim rulers have kept extensive tax records and they show beyond question that the Jews were never not there.

LOL

Your whole belief system is based on nothing more than fantasy.

 

[westwall]

There is period history going back 3,000 years that prove beyond doubt that the Jews have always been there.

I know that you state that.

The various Muslim rulers have kept extensive tax records and they show beyond question that the Jews were never not there.

LOL

Your whole belief system is based on nothing more than fantasy.

Wrong silly boy. I don't state that. The HISTORY states that. You ignore well documented history to support your silly little infantile belief system.

 

[louie888]

Wrong silly boy. I don't state that. The HISTORY states that. You ignore well documented history to support your silly little infantile belief system.

Another statement, but still no proof.

And as we know, they don't teach history at your temple, so let me explain this as simply as possible. YOU HAVE DISQUALIFIED YOURSELF FROM ANY SERIOUS DISCUSSION IN THESE MATTERS. For you to claim that Muslim tax records confirm a Jewish presence for 3000 years is stupid beyond belief. There were not even Muslims to create tax records until centuries after your 3000 year clock supposedly begins.

All you have are lies and fantasy.

BYE.

 

[montelatici]

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in the area. After the birth of Jesus Christ the vast majority converted to Christianity by 400 AD. The invading Zionists are European converts to Judaism.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion ."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

 

[louie888]

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in the area. After the birth of Jesus Christ the vast majority converted to Christianity by 400 AD. The invading Zionists are European converts to Judaism.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion ."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This is a huge point, but you are making it for someone who believe that Muslims kept tax records for Jews before there were any Muslims. No, I am not making this up either.

 

[westwall]

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in the area. After the birth of Jesus Christ the vast majority converted to Christianity by 400 AD. The invading Zionists are European converts to Judaism.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion ."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This is a huge point, but you are making it for someone who believe that Muslims kept tax records for Jews before there were any Muslims. No, I am not making this up either.

Showing yet again that you are completely clueless when it comes to history. The Umayyad Caliphate began in the late 600's and they were the first Muslim government that kept tax records on the Jews within their sphere. You see, silly person, you were free to practice your own religion so long as you paid a special tax to the Caliphate. This is a well known fact, a fact that blows your fantasy land to smithereens, so you ignore well known history in your infantile effort to make a point.

 

[rylah]

Really??
The original residents of Sur Bahir & Umm Tuba are from Arabian peninsula and Yemen , according to the Palestinian mayor himself.

Just one of many examples...

 

[louie888]

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in the area. After the birth of Jesus Christ the vast majority converted to Christianity by 400 AD. The invading Zionists are European converts to Judaism.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion ."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This is a huge point, but you are making it for someone who believe that Muslims kept tax records for Jews before there were any Muslims. No, I am not making this up either.

Showing yet again that you are completely clueless when it comes to history. The Umayyad Caliphate began in the late 600's and they were the first Muslim government that kept tax records on the Jews within their sphere. You see, silly person, you were free to practice your own religion so long as you paid a special tax to the Caliphate. This is a well known fact, a fact that blows your fantasy land to smithereens, so you ignore well known history in your infantile effort to make a point.

Great, your temple doesn't teach history or math. 3000 years that began in 600, lol.

 

[westwall]

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in the area. After the birth of Jesus Christ the vast majority converted to Christianity by 400 AD. The invading Zionists are European converts to Judaism.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion ."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

No, they're not. They share no language commonality with the Canaanites, nor with the Philistines who originated from the region around Crete. The name "Palestine" doesn't even exist until after the Battle of Masada when the Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed the region "Palaestina" a bastardization of the name "Philistine" who he knew had existed in the region before the Roman era, and his reason was to humiliate and anger the Jews he was enslaving.

Thus the very notion that there was an ancient "Palestine" is laughable.

 

[rylah]

Same as the residents of Abu Dis - "descendents from immigrant Arab tribes"
and that's according to Abu Dis Local Council, 2011.

Not so difficult, if You look at the info presented by the Palestinian Arabs themselves.

 

[westwall]

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in the area. After the birth of Jesus Christ the vast majority converted to Christianity by 400 AD. The invading Zionists are European converts to Judaism.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion ."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This is a huge point, but you are making it for someone who believe that Muslims kept tax records for Jews before there were any Muslims. No, I am not making this up either.

Showing yet again that you are completely clueless when it comes to history. The Umayyad Caliphate began in the late 600's and they were the first Muslim government that kept tax records on the Jews within their sphere. You see, silly person, you were free to practice your own religion so long as you paid a special tax to the Caliphate. This is a well known fact, a fact that blows your fantasy land to smithereens, so you ignore well known history in your infantile effort to make a point.

Great, your temple doesn't teach history or math. 3000 years that began in 600, lol.

I'm not a Jew, moron. I'm agnostic. But I read a ton of history because it interests me and it annoys me no end when ignorant twats, like you, try to revise history to suit your political goals.

 

[fanger]

Tell the American Indians that the very notion that there was an ancient land before "USA" is laughable.

 

[rylah]

Maybe someone can tell me what the Arabs themselves say about the residents of Beit Iksa or Ash Sheikh...or al Judeira?

 

[westwall]

Tell the American Indians that the very notion that there was an ancient land before "USA" is laughable.

The American Indian had no concept of "property", so maybe you should come up with a different, more appropriate analogy.

 

[louie888]

westwall

You are still making grandiose claims, but have provided no evidence for any of them. Calling me a "****" proves nothing but for your misogynistic attitude that goes hand in hand with your brazen racism. And beyond your math problems, what an odd screen name for an agnostic.

 

[westwall]

westwall

You are still making grandiose claims, but have provided no evidence for any of them. Calling me a "****" proves nothing but for your misogynistic attitude that goes hand in hand with your brazen racism. And beyond your math problems, what an odd screen name for an agnostic.

Westwall is a contraction of my name and where I happen to live, so not strange at all. For anyone. You have a lot of 8's in your name which has many connotations with neo nazi idiots so I assume you are one of them thus your infantile POV. Regardless, if you actually read books, you would know the history.

 

[louie888]

Post your evidence, I have read more books than you would believe. And quit whining and trying to insult me. Neonazi now? You are sick. 8 is a lucky number in China and the 888 comes from a poker sponsor, moron.

Now post it, and not some crap about tax records from 600 AD that proves this 3000 year religious hogwash.

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, but that really does not answer the question.

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

So, the whole population, except for a few Jews, left the territory.

• Who were those people?
• Why did they leave?
• Where did they go?

Then the Palestinians came.

• Who were they?
• Where did they come from?
• Why would they go to a place where everybody left?

Your post doesn't make any sense.