We Need Government Healthcare Like Canada!

[jc456]

That goes back to my earlier question: if we all had this Medicare for all, we would all want the best doctors and hospitals. Since that can't be done, who would make the decision on who goes where?

First come, first serve. You asked this question before. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario and ask to be served, and if I'm waiting for surgery and another hospital has openings, I can go to that hospital for the surgery. But I'm always going to pick a hospital near my home or family.

When I lived in Toronto, I had my choice of any hospital in the downtown core I wanted to go to. I always picked Toronto General because I liked it best. Turns out, it's the best hospital in Canada. Two out of the four top hospitals in Canada were the one's I chose to go to. In an ambulance, I was asked which hospital I wanted to go to, and was give three choices (the three closest), I chose Sunnbrook. It's No. 4 in Canada.

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

medicare for all isn't what you have. so there's that. And for the umpteenth thousand time, if you fkrs ever took the time to look shit up on the internet, you wouldn't look so fking stupid.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Unicorn chasing is a more realistic endeavor than single payer for all. Very little support in this country. Sanders supporters tell you differently but #'s wise they are fringe. So nothing to discuss here.

Every other advanced post-industrial nation on the planet can, has, and enjoys better healthcare outcomes, life expectancies, and with less waste and experience for society.

Settle. The american way.

And yet, none of you people on the left ever move to one of these utopias you talk about so often.

Like you've been told, Medicare is great. Why are you so annoyed with your utopia here?

I'm not. That's why I'm arguing against government taking over healthcare.

My Part B plan is thru Anthem, and my Medicare is great. Better not move here, you won't like it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That goes back to my earlier question: if we all had this Medicare for all, we would all want the best doctors and hospitals. Since that can't be done, who would make the decision on who goes where?

First come, first serve. You asked this question before. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario and ask to be served, and if I'm waiting for surgery and another hospital has openings, I can go to that hospital for the surgery. But I'm always going to pick a hospital near my home or family.

When I lived in Toronto, I had my choice of any hospital in the downtown core I wanted to go to. I always picked Toronto General because I liked it best. Turns out, it's the best hospital in Canada. Two out of the four top hospitals in Canada were the one's I chose to go to. In an ambulance, I was asked which hospital I wanted to go to, and was give three choices (the three closest), I chose Sunnbrook. It's No. 4 in Canada.

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

You can go anywhere you want NOW. But if everybody is on the same system, you might not be able to do that because everybody would flock to the best in the business.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

First come, first serve. You asked this question before. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario and ask to be served, and if I'm waiting for surgery and another hospital has openings, I can go to that hospital for the surgery. But I'm always going to pick a hospital near my home or family.

When I lived in Toronto, I had my choice of any hospital in the downtown core I wanted to go to. I always picked Toronto General because I liked it best. Turns out, it's the best hospital in Canada. Two out of the four top hospitals in Canada were the one's I chose to go to. In an ambulance, I was asked which hospital I wanted to go to, and was give three choices (the three closest), I chose Sunnbrook. It's No. 4 in Canada.

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

medicare for all isn't what you have. so there's that.

Dumbasses win, often, sorry you got left out, but you wanted to apparently.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

First come, first serve. You asked this question before. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario and ask to be served, and if I'm waiting for surgery and another hospital has openings, I can go to that hospital for the surgery. But I'm always going to pick a hospital near my home or family.

When I lived in Toronto, I had my choice of any hospital in the downtown core I wanted to go to. I always picked Toronto General because I liked it best. Turns out, it's the best hospital in Canada. Two out of the four top hospitals in Canada were the one's I chose to go to. In an ambulance, I was asked which hospital I wanted to go to, and was give three choices (the three closest), I chose Sunnbrook. It's No. 4 in Canada.

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

You can go anywhere you want NOW. But if everybody is on the same system, you might not be able to do that because everybody would flock to the best in the business.

You can live in fear, I don't mind. Just keep paying more than every other nation on the planet for shittier care and shorter lifespans.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Unicorn chasing is a more realistic endeavor than single payer for all. Very little support in this country. Sanders supporters tell you differently but #'s wise they are fringe. So nothing to discuss here.

Every other advanced post-industrial nation on the planet can, has, and enjoys better healthcare outcomes, life expectancies, and with less waste and experience for society.

Settle. The american way.

And yet, none of you people on the left ever move to one of these utopias you talk about so often.

Like you've been told, Medicare is great. Why are you so annoyed with your utopia here?

I'm not. That's why I'm arguing against government taking over healthcare.

My Part B plan is thru Anthem, and my Medicare is great. Better not move here, you won't like it.

If you are on Medicare now, then you should be more concerned than anybody.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

You can go anywhere you want NOW. But if everybody is on the same system, you might not be able to do that because everybody would flock to the best in the business.

You can live in fear, I don't mind. Just keep paying more than every other nation on the planet for shittier care and shorter lifespans.

We have the best care in the world and life expectancy doesn't have much to do with healthcare.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Every other advanced post-industrial nation on the planet can, has, and enjoys better healthcare outcomes, life expectancies, and with less waste and experience for society.

Settle. The american way.

And yet, none of you people on the left ever move to one of these utopias you talk about so often.

Like you've been told, Medicare is great. Why are you so annoyed with your utopia here?

I'm not. That's why I'm arguing against government taking over healthcare.

My Part B plan is thru Anthem, and my Medicare is great. Better not move here, you won't like it.

If you are on Medicare now, then you should be more concerned than anybody.

Oh sure, and I should adopt your world view as well. Go peddle that shit to someone who doesn't know any better.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

You can go anywhere you want NOW. But if everybody is on the same system, you might not be able to do that because everybody would flock to the best in the business.

You can live in fear, I don't mind. Just keep paying more than every other nation on the planet for shittier care and shorter lifespans.

We have the best care in the world and life expectancy doesn't have much to do with healthcare.

I could post dozens of links on studies showing you're full of shit, again, but why would I?

Your religion would not allow you to take it in.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

So many people talking about the great Medicare For All system that would save us all!

However!

NO ONE has said where we would get the $40 TRILLION over ten years. Where?

Further, can anyone show us any major government program that costs LESS than the estimates after ten years? Far from it, just the opposite as everyone knows.

Every other advanced post-industrial nation on the planet has figured this out, start with your global militarism, occupation and your endless bogus illegal unconstitutional wars for one. No one ever asks how we can afford that nonsense.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

You can go anywhere you want NOW. But if everybody is on the same system, you might not be able to do that because everybody would flock to the best in the business.

You can live in fear, I don't mind. Just keep paying more than every other nation on the planet for shittier care and shorter lifespans.

We have the best care in the world and life expectancy doesn't have much to do with healthcare.

I could post dozens of links on studies showing you're full of shit, again, but why would I?

Your religion would not allow you to take it in.

And I can post links stating I'm correct. You listen to the World Health Organization who doesn't like our system only because it's not a socialist system. The quality is quite a different story. If you had cancer today, what other country would you rather be in than the number 1 country to cure it?

We have a lot of problems in our country that contribute to lifespan. Some of those include the terrible drug problem we have today. That dovetails with drug sales and the violent gang activities involved. Our women aim for professions. So they go to college, graduate, and get a job to payoff the school loans. That means they don't attempt to have children until a later age compared to women in other countries. That can lead to birth defects that end up being fatal. Then there is the obesity problem.

There are a ton of things that shorten our average lifespan that people in other countries don't have to deal with.

 

[Markle]

You can live in fear, I don't mind. Just keep paying more than every other nation on the planet for shittier care and shorter lifespans.

If you're talking about America, you are partly outright lying and partly lying by omission. As you know, our lifespan has nothing to do with our healthcare. Grow up.

 

[jc456]

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

medicare for all isn't what you have. so there's that.

Dumbasses win, often, sorry you got left out, but you wanted to apparently.

I still work, only 64

 

[Markle]

Every other advanced post-industrial nation on the planet has figured this out, start with your global militarism, occupation and your endless bogus illegal unconstitutional wars for one. No one ever asks how we can afford that nonsense.

None of our wars are "illegal, unconstitutional wars", whatever that is even supposed to mean.

As with all the other times, I've asked this question, Progressives bob, and dodge and refuse to answer the question. We have the greatest healthcare in the world, why do you want to do away with that quality of care?

IF, in your utopia, we were to withdraw all our troops from around the world, who should fill the vacuum and become the police of the world? After the turn of the previous century, we had TWO massive World Wars killing hundreds of millions of people within thirty years. Since WW-II ended, America assumed leadership of the free world and we've had no such horrendous wars since.

Specifically, who should fill the vacuum and how would that benefit the world?

 

[Flopper]

First come, first serve. You asked this question before. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario and ask to be served, and if I'm waiting for surgery and another hospital has openings, I can go to that hospital for the surgery. But I'm always going to pick a hospital near my home or family.

When I lived in Toronto, I had my choice of any hospital in the downtown core I wanted to go to. I always picked Toronto General because I liked it best. Turns out, it's the best hospital in Canada. Two out of the four top hospitals in Canada were the one's I chose to go to. In an ambulance, I was asked which hospital I wanted to go to, and was give three choices (the three closest), I chose Sunnbrook. It's No. 4 in Canada.

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

Telling you where you can go for Medical Care is what insurance companies do, not Medicare. And how does your insurance company determine who you get to see? They negotiate will doctors and hospitals selecting those that will accept the lowest reimbursement rate in order to maximize profits. It's the old health insurance axiom, "Maximize Premiums and Minimize Claims".

While this is true, you can get insurance that does have contracts with your doctor or facility. It might not be easy or cheap, but it can be done. With government monopolizing the industry, then you go where they tell you.

When I talk to Canadian drivers, the young and middle-aged people love their system. The older ones warned me about supporting the same in our country. So once it's there, you'll never get rid of it. Senior citizens (or any one group of people) would be the minority, so even a public vote won't get rid of it yet alone any politician or party. Now that I'm reaching that age, I fear healthcare rationing since it's the older folks that would suck up most of the resources and costs.

As the saying goes, you get what you pay for; well most of the time. The U.S. spends 4 times more per person on healthcare and nearly five times more per person on administration than Canada does. Assuming the US would adopt a system with such drastic reductions in healthcare cost is purely speculative and IMHO very unlikely. If Medicare for All is implemented in the US, it will be democrats that do it and as we are well aware, democrats tend be quite generous when it comes to spending federal dollars on social programs.

 

[Flopper]

First come, first serve. You asked this question before. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario and ask to be served, and if I'm waiting for surgery and another hospital has openings, I can go to that hospital for the surgery. But I'm always going to pick a hospital near my home or family.

When I lived in Toronto, I had my choice of any hospital in the downtown core I wanted to go to. I always picked Toronto General because I liked it best. Turns out, it's the best hospital in Canada. Two out of the four top hospitals in Canada were the one's I chose to go to. In an ambulance, I was asked which hospital I wanted to go to, and was give three choices (the three closest), I chose Sunnbrook. It's No. 4 in Canada.

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

You can go anywhere you want NOW. But if everybody is on the same system, you might not be able to do that because everybody would flock to the best in the business.

There is no objective measure of who're the best doctors. I choose doctors based on their on their ability to communicate clearly and their attentiveness. Others based their opinion on recommendations of friends or other doctors. Some people choose doctor based on their experience and schools they attended, and others based their opinion on a correct diagnosis, or their friendliness, but most people tend to chose doctors based on the location of their practice and their insurance network.

I have Medicare and so do most of my friends and I don't know a single one that doesn't go to doctors in our community. With Medicare there is just no reason not to.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

No, americans do. I have Medicare, I do go where I want, and it's tons better than anything I've had through an employer for decades. You got issues man.

You can go anywhere you want NOW. But if everybody is on the same system, you might not be able to do that because everybody would flock to the best in the business.

There is no objective measure of who're the best doctors. I choose doctors based on their on their ability to communicate clearly and their attentiveness. Others based their opinion on recommendations of friends or other doctors. Some people choose doctor based on their experience and schools they attended, and others based their opinion on a correct diagnosis, or their friendliness, but most people tend to chose doctors based on the location of their practice and their insurance network.

I have Medicare and so do most of my friends and I don't know a single one that doesn't go to doctors in our community. With Medicare there is just no reason not to.

I'm not talking about the flu or an ear ache. When people need serious medical attention, they do seek the best. My sister had a knee replacement last summer. She did her homework on finding the best for her situation. She asked other people who had a knee replacement. She went on the internet to find which doctor had the most experience and success.

She did the exact same for my 88 year old father when he had a quadruple bypass. She wanted to make sure he had the best chance at survival and recuperation. So it's really not all that uncommon.

In our area, we do know the best and worst hospitals to go to; again, not for trivial things, but for serious problems.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

Telling you where you can go for Medical Care is what insurance companies do, not Medicare. And how does your insurance company determine who you get to see? They negotiate will doctors and hospitals selecting those that will accept the lowest reimbursement rate in order to maximize profits. It's the old health insurance axiom, "Maximize Premiums and Minimize Claims".

While this is true, you can get insurance that does have contracts with your doctor or facility. It might not be easy or cheap, but it can be done. With government monopolizing the industry, then you go where they tell you.

When I talk to Canadian drivers, the young and middle-aged people love their system. The older ones warned me about supporting the same in our country. So once it's there, you'll never get rid of it. Senior citizens (or any one group of people) would be the minority, so even a public vote won't get rid of it yet alone any politician or party. Now that I'm reaching that age, I fear healthcare rationing since it's the older folks that would suck up most of the resources and costs.

As the saying goes, you get what you pay for; well most of the time. The U.S. spends 4 times more per person on healthcare and nearly five times more per person on administration than Canada does. Assuming the US would adopt a system with such drastic reductions in healthcare cost is purely speculative and IMHO very unlikely. If Medicare for All is implemented in the US, it will be democrats that do it and as we are well aware, democrats tend be quite generous when it comes to spending federal dollars on social programs.

And I'm sure our grandchildren will be so thankful.

 

[Markle]

As the saying goes, you get what you pay for; well most of the time. The U.S. spends 4 times more per person on healthcare and nearly five times more per person on administration than Canada does. Assuming the US would adopt a system with such drastic reductions in healthcare cost is purely speculative and IMHO very unlikely. If Medicare for All is implemented in the US, it will be democrats that do it and as we are well aware, democrats tend be quite generous when it comes to spending federal dollars on social programs.

As you well know, the United States has superior health care to any country in the world.

In your infinite wisdom, you demand we inflict hardships on every American. Why?

To get the TOTAL WAIT TIMES you have to add each chart together for each specialty. Do you need to be reminded to notice the difference between 1993 and 2019?

Here is the difference in the waiting time in Canada between an appointment with your GP and your Specialist between 1993 and 2019.

Then we have the difference between wait times between your appointment with your Specialist and your first Treatment between 1993 and 2019. Why is this a good thing for America?

You are being redirected...

 

[Dragonlady]

First come, first serve. You asked this question before. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario and ask to be served, and if I'm waiting for surgery and another hospital has openings, I can go to that hospital for the surgery. But I'm always going to pick a hospital near my home or family.

When I lived in Toronto, I had my choice of any hospital in the downtown core I wanted to go to. I always picked Toronto General because I liked it best. Turns out, it's the best hospital in Canada. Two out of the four top hospitals in Canada were the one's I chose to go to. In an ambulance, I was asked which hospital I wanted to go to, and was give three choices (the three closest), I chose Sunnbrook. It's No. 4 in Canada.

First come--first serve doesn't always work with people here. I don't want to have to take a number. I want to get treated by X in X facility when services are needed. Why is it out of all the elderly people I've spoken with from Canada, your experiences are the exact opposite?

So basically you're a whiny selfish prick. Yeah, you won't like everyone one being equal to you. Maybe that's your issue with Medicare now Ray.

My only issue with Medicare is the program is partly responsible for individual and group insurance being so expensive. Yes, I like the idea I can go where I want for care. I don't like the idea of government telling me where I can go, because like anything else, Democrats politicize everything.

Telling you where you can go for Medical Care is what insurance companies do, not Medicare. And how does your insurance company determine who you get to see? They negotiate will doctors and hospitals selecting those that will accept the lowest reimbursement rate in order to maximize profits. It's the old health insurance axiom, "Maximize Premiums and Minimize Claims".

While this is true, you can get insurance that does have contracts with your doctor or facility. It might not be easy or cheap, but it can be done. With government monopolizing the industry, then you go where they tell you.

When I talk to Canadian drivers, the young and middle-aged people love their system. The older ones warned me about supporting the same in our country. So once it's there, you'll never get rid of it. Senior citizens (or any one group of people) would be the minority, so even a public vote won't get rid of it yet alone any politician or party. Now that I'm reaching that age, I fear healthcare rationing since it's the older folks that would suck up most of the resources and costs.

There is already rationing of healthcare in the USA. Insurance companies won't pay for life extending treatments for the terminally ill. They're going to die anyway, but 6 months of additional life may come at a huge price tag. You're treatment is further restricted by networks.

I can walk into any hospital or doctor's office in Ontario and be seen at no cost to me.