We need an independent commission to look at what happened in Afghanistan

2500 troops on the ground when Trump left office. No chaos on the ground.

During the final 11 months of Trump's presidency (after the agreement with the Taliban was signed) there were no US service men killed in Afghanistan. There were however clashes between the Taliban and the Afghan security forces, which I believe was in violation of that agreement but not certain about when. Were those clashes before, during, or after Trump started to pull troops out of Afghanistan?
We do not know what was being done by the Trump people about that behind the scenes.


Trump cut the Afghan government out of the negotiations.

I do not believe this is true, it appears the Taliban had little interest in negotiating with the Afghan gov't. Intra-Afghan talks between the Afghan gov't and the Taliban aimed at reaching a comprehensive peace settlement began in Doha, Qatar, in September 2020, representing a major step toward resolving the conflict. The two sides have met sporadically, but appear to remain far apart on the two key issues that appear to be central to talks—reducing violence and determining the future structure and orientation of the Afghan state. The U.S.-Taliban agreement committed the Taliban to entering talks with the Afghan government by March, but negotiations remained unscheduled for months amid complications including gridlock in Kabul due to the disputed September 2019 presidential election, delays to a prisoner exchange between Taliban and the Afghan government, and ongoing violence. Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah, Ghani’s electoral opponent and former partner in a unity government, agreed in May 2020 to end their political impasse and appoint Abdullah as chairman of the newly-created High Council for National Reconciliation (HCNR) to oversee talks with the Taliban. The prisoner exchange was completed in early September 2020, removing the main obstacle to intra-Afghan talks, which began in Doha that month. The two sides have met intermittently in recent months, with some describing the talks as stalled.
 
So you want our forces to stay in Afghanistan to protect the women? Curious, how long? Also we’re you on record complaining against Trumps pullout plan?
What plan? Trump talked but never had a plan. The military experts convinced him it was a bad idea. I do not mind leaving it was how we did it that was poor and we were told the Afghan army could put up a modicum of resistance. Untrue. Again, the optics are terrible. If you cannot see that then you’re being dishonest.
 
Nope, but we sure as hell thought the transition would be a lot better than this. What an unnecessary failure.

No one thought the Afghan army would refuse to fight. The Taliban just walked into these capitals and took them without firing a shot. But this was always the way it was going to end. That's what kept you there for 20 years. The military knew it would all just disappear after you were gone - just like Viet Nam.

You people learned NOTHING from Viet Nam.
 
No one thought the Afghan army would refuse to fight. The Taliban just walked into these capitals and took them without firing a shot. But this was always the way it was going to end. That's what kept you there for 20 years. The military knew it would all just disappear after you were gone - just like Viet Nam.

You people learned NOTHING from Viet Nam.

Biden fucked up, it's all TRUMP'S fault.....
 
Because Trump said so. You can Google it. Gawd but you people are lazy.

The Afghan government had no part in the negotiations.

Trump’s planned Peace Treaty signing last year at Camp David was to be between the Taliban and the USA.
Except it was based on set mile marks that the Taliban failed to meet. Trump would not have met the deadline because of that.
 
It isn't just a Biden problem, it didn't start now, and it goes much deeper than what happened today. It requires some serious political soul searching and our broken hyperpatisan political system is incapable of doing that with integrity.

Some of the questions that come to me, as more and more news reveals hidden cracks.

1. What did various military and civilian intelligence say, know, miss?
2. What was relayed to Biden, and his national security team?
3.What was happening with Afghan leadership?
4. What information, if any, was ignored by Biden?
5. Could the outcome have been different while still allowing withdrawal and how?
6. What has the Taliban been doing since they signed that agreement?

More questions.
We don’t need a commission. It’s the stupid idea that Western democracy can exist in Islamic countries. Bush was a moron for believing it and making it one of the goals of the wars. Then it just turned into a belief that we needed to stay there indefinitely, so defense contractors could keep making their billions, and they paid off Washington Establishment politicians in both parties. That’s why the Hussein only expanded into new wars. The only one who didn’t buy into this bullshit was President Trump, which is why the media hated him too.
 
How many American lives have been lost?
Good question. All roads to the airport have checkpoints now. The rumour has it that no American has been able to reach the airport after the checkpoints have been set up.
 
It isn't just a Biden problem, it didn't start now, and it goes much deeper than what happened today. It requires some serious political soul searching and our broken hyperpatisan political system is incapable of doing that with integrity.

Some of the questions that come to me, as more and more news reveals hidden cracks.

1. What did various military and civilian intelligence say, know, miss?
2. What was relayed to Biden, and his national security team?
3.What was happening with Afghan leadership?
4. What information, if any, was ignored by Biden?
5. Could the outcome have been different while still allowing withdrawal and how?
6. What has the Taliban been doing since they signed that agreement?

More questions.

I agree! These 640 Afghans were some of the lucky ones.

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To me it's very clear what happened.

The fall of the Afghan government is to blame on both Trump and Biden

Trump pulled US troops out and made a ceasefire with the Taliban even as our allies in Afghanistan for still fighting them.
Biden continue Trump's withdrawal without leaving any support for the Afghan government even though he had intelligence reports in his possession that said the Taliban were likely to take the capital within a month. He did this while at the same time claiming that it was unlikely that the Taliban would be able to overthrow the government.

given the history of how brutal the Taliban treat his enemies, and the families of their enemies, especially Muslims living in their country, it's not surprising that the Afghan soldiers decided it'd be better to Retreat instead of risking their families facing retaliation from the Taliban if they fought.

Republicans and Democrats are so busy trying to blame each other, when each side holds a measure of blame for the failure in Afghanistan. it's really just a repeat of our failures in Vietnam when we left hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese soldiers and civilians who had helped us so face the North Vietnamese alone as our soldiers fled.
 
No one thought the Afghan army would refuse to fight. The Taliban just walked into these capitals and took them without firing a shot. But this was always the way it was going to end. That's what kept you there for 20 years. The military knew it would all just disappear after you were gone - just like Viet Nam.
You people learned NOTHING from Viet Nam.
Democrats lost Vietnam
Democrats lost Afghanistan.
 
Interesting. Seems no one thinks we should have an independent co.mission. What are you afraid of?
Yes, we should look into this from the very beginning and assess our strategy of intervention into foreign countries politics.
 

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