We must restore constitutional government

[JWBooth]

Who is going to tell the low-IQ left that this egregiously violates the US Constitution? You don’t have to take my word for it - just check the 10th Amendment. The federal government is explicitly restricted to 18 enumerated powers and abortion isn’t one of them.

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Most everything done by all sides in the last hundred years has been an egregious violation, it aint stopped ‘em yet.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We must restore constitutional government

The irony of this, of course, is that conservatives have nothing but contempt for Constitutional government – for rightists to advocate for such a thing is true dishonesty.

Our democratic institutions are the most important component of Constitutional government, for example; institutions Republicans are working feverishly to undermine and dismantle.

 

[progressive hunter]

The irony of this, of course, is that conservatives have nothing but contempt for Constitutional government – for rightists to advocate for such a thing is true dishonesty.

Our democratic institutions are the most important component of Constitutional government, for example; institutions Republicans are working feverishly to undermine and dismantle.

your premise on this is the biggest lie youve told to date,,

because we have a constitution the only democratic institution is voting for our reps,, the rest is bound by the constitution,,

 

[P@triot]

The irony of this, of course, is that conservatives have nothing but contempt for Constitutional government

After getting owned in this thread - idiot CCJ went from "we strictly operating under constitutional government" to "ok, we're not, but it's the Republicans fault".

You've been caught lying already in this thread. You have 0 credibility son.

 

[P@triot]

your premise on this is the biggest lie youve told to date,,

because we have a constitution the only democratic institution is voting for our reps,, the rest is bound by the constitution,,

Thank you! Lying is what CCJ does best. Hell, lying is the only thing CCJ does. Thank you for setting the record straight and exposing his bullshit.

 

[bripat9643]

The irony of this, of course, is that conservatives have nothing but contempt for Constitutional government – for rightists to advocate for such a thing is true dishonesty.

Our democratic institutions are the most important component of Constitutional government, for example; institutions Republicans are working feverishly to undermine and dismantle.

Lie, lie, lie

 

[JoeB131]

After getting owned in this thread - idiot CCJ went from "we strictly operating under constitutional government" to "ok, we're not, but it's the Republicans fault".

You've been caught lying already in this thread. You have 0 credibility son.

Or he doesn't agree with you on WHY we aren't operating under constitutional government.

We are not doing so because the GOP has chosen to obstruct even simple things like "paying our bills".

Not because the current government is doing things that the Founding Slave Rapists didn't think of like actual health care that doesn't involve leeches.

 

[P@triot]

Even the hard-left Huffington Post acknowledges that we are not operating under constitutional government:

Will House Speaker Nancy Pelosi come clean now that it is clear that the National Security Agency (NSA) was turned loose on American citizens well before 9/11? She has admitted knowing for several years about the Bush administration's eavesdropping on Americans without a court warrant. She was briefed on it when she was a ranking Democrat in the House Intelligence Committee when Bush and Cheney took office.

But was she told that within days of their taking office, the National Security Agency's electronic vacuum cleaner had already begun to suck up information on Americans--criminal law and the Constitution be damned?

And yet, dill-hole C_Clayton_Jones claims we are "currently functioning under Constitutional government, nothing needs to be ‘restored’". Which means one of two things. Either he is profoundly ignorant of how his own government is currently operating or he is embracing unconstitutional government and trying to cover the fact that it is operating illegally.

We are not operating under constitutional government and have not been for more than 140 years now. So either CCJ is ignorant as hell or he's a liar. Either one doesn't bode well for CCJ.

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[P@triot]

This how the United States was intended to function. 50 independent states, responsible for themselves, and united only in 18 specific functions (hence delegated to the federal government):

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[Rigby5]

Or he doesn't agree with you on WHY we aren't operating under constitutional government.

We are not doing so because the GOP has chosen to obstruct even simple things like "paying our bills".

Not because the current government is doing things that the Founding Slave Rapists didn't think of like actual health care that doesn't involve leeches.

I am far left of everyone here, but the conservatives are right about somethings.
For example, expanding the debt limit is wrong, is not about paying our bills, but is stealing from future generations.
Public health care would be great, but for federal involvement would require an amendment.
There just is no legal basis for any federal involvement in health care.

 

[JoeB131]

I am far left of everyone here, but the conservatives are right about somethings.
For example, expanding the debt limit is wrong, is not about paying our bills, but is stealing from future generations.
Public health care would be great, but for federal involvement would require an amendment.
There just is no legal basis for any federal involvement in health care.

The thing is, "expanding the debt limit" only becomes an issue when a Democrat becomes president and they want to mess with him. This issue NEVER came up when Trump ran up 8 Trillion in new debt or Bush ran up 6 Trillion in new debt.

As far a legal basis for federal involvement in health care, that horse left the barn a long time ago with Medicare, Medicaid, the Veteran's Administration, SCHIP, and so on.

 

[JimH52]

The thing is, "expanding the debt limit" only becomes an issue when a Democrat becomes president and they want to mess with him. This issue NEVER came up when Trump ran up 8 Trillion in new debt or Bush ran up 6 Trillion in new debt.

As far a legal basis for federal involvement in health care, that horse left the barn a long time ago with Medicare, Medicaid, the Veteran's Administration, SCHIP, and so on.

trump is going to try and punish McConnell for getting 14 repub senators to vote to allow the debt limit to rise. Mitch thinks voters will punish the Dems...when the majority of the added debt came from the trump years.

trump is only interested in himself. Screw the Country...as long as he gets what he wants. The country cannot default on it's debt. trump does not care. He had pushed many businesses into bankruptcy.....It would be insanity to push the US into default. But since trump is already insane, that does not matter to him.

 

[Rigby5]

The thing is, "expanding the debt limit" only becomes an issue when a Democrat becomes president and they want to mess with him. This issue NEVER came up when Trump ran up 8 Trillion in new debt or Bush ran up 6 Trillion in new debt.

As far a legal basis for federal involvement in health care, that horse left the barn a long time ago with Medicare, Medicaid, the Veteran's Administration, SCHIP, and so on.

I agree Trump also screwed up on the national debt.
But that does not change the fact we went from a 3 trillion dollar national debt to a 37 trillion dollar debt since Bush and his illegal invasion of Iraq.
This can't be good or legal.

And no, there can not be any federal involvement in health care, ever.
There is no legal way to do it.
Medicare is not federal involvement in health care actually, but instead is done by the states, with the feds just using Social Security funding.
VA is a private service, so is not really part of government at all.
SCHIP is just a funding method for state resources, using the IRS.
There likely should be no IRS, but there was an amendment for it, so it is legal.

 

[JoeB131]

I agree Trump also screwed up on the national debt.
But that does not change the fact we went from a 3 trillion dollar national debt to a 37 trillion dollar debt since Bush and his illegal invasion of Iraq.
This can't be good or legal.

It's also not accurate. We went hit 3 Trillion in deb under Reagan. It went up to 4.5 Trillion under Bush-1, stablized at 6 Trillion under Clinton (who posted surpluses), then Bush cut taxes for the rich and put a war on the credit card and jacked it up to 11 Trillion. Obama racked up another 8 trillion in debt and Trump racked up another 6 trillion.

The real problem isn't "the war", it's that we want all this government and we don't want to pay for it.

And no, there can not be any federal involvement in health care, ever.
There is no legal way to do it.

Sure we do...

Everything else said about the VA and Medicare is just plain wrong. Those are federal programs, and they are legal and work just fine..

 

[Rigby5]

It's also not accurate. We went hit 3 Trillion in deb under Reagan. It went up to 4.5 Trillion under Bush-1, stablized at 6 Trillion under Clinton (who posted surpluses), then Bush cut taxes for the rich and put a war on the credit card and jacked it up to 11 Trillion. Obama racked up another 8 trillion in debt and Trump racked up another 6 trillion.

The real problem isn't "the war", it's that we want all this government and we don't want to pay for it.



Sure we do...

Everything else said about the VA and Medicare is just plain wrong. Those are federal programs, and they are legal and work just fine..

It is true Reagan borrowed recklessly for SDI, but since it ended the USSR, people are more ambivolent about that.
And it also is hard to compare over that long of a period unless you normalize it against the GDP.

The point is not to blame any one president since it is congress that is at fault, but to show we are heading off a cliff.

And it is NOT that we want all this government but don't want to pay for it.
We get almost NOTHING from all this spending.
It is about 75% military spending, that is totally useless to us.
We are not getting free tuition, health care, food subsidies, low income housing, welfare, etc.
We are not getting much of anything from the feds except the War on Drugs causing the US to have the largest incarceration percentage in the world.

And no, the VA and Medicare are NOT federal programs.
The VA is not because it is only available to vets.
A federal program has to be universal by definition.
Medicare is not because Medicare it is not universal either, you also have to pay for it, and it is ONLY a funding source and does not provide any of the provider services that are all private.

Nor was whether or not federal programs worked or were a good idea, at all relevant.
The POINT was that any federal health program is ILLEGAL without an amendment.

 

[JoeB131]

It is true Reagan borrowed recklessly for SDI, but since it ended the USSR, people are more ambivolent about that.
And it also is hard to compare over that long of a period unless you normalize it against the GDP.

The point is not to blame any one president since it is congress that is at fault, but to show we are heading off a cliff.

Okay, let's look at your chart. The US hit well over 100% of GDP as debt after WWII... But by 1970's, it was down to a little over 20%. Not because the govenment wasn't still fighting wars (Korea and Vietnam), or having big programs (The Great Society, the Space Program, the Interstate Highway System). It started creeping up again in the 1980's, after Reagan got this whacky idea that you can increase military spending AND cut taxes for rich people.

It went back down in the 1990's because Clinton showed fiscal responsibility in both raising taxes and trimming spending. But Bush and after, it spiked right back up.

And it is NOT that we want all this government but don't want to pay for it.
We get almost NOTHING from all this spending.

Actually, not true. The biggest line items on the Federal Budget are Social Security (1.2 Trillion) and Medicare (800 billion). Defense spending comes in at 768 billion. Most of what the government spends are in fact payments to people.

And no, the VA and Medicare are NOT federal programs.
The VA is not because it is only available to vets.
A federal program has to be universal by definition.

Are you fucking retarded? That's not the definition of a federal program at all. MOST federal programs only benefit a select group.

Nor was whether or not federal programs worked or were a good idea, at all relevant.
The POINT was that any federal health program is ILLEGAL without an amendment.

Yeah, okay... Tell you what, I think we should give you and Poodle the "Constitutional program". It's where you only get medical treatment available to the Founding Slave Rapists... Next time you get sick, we'll send someone around for your blood letting.

ON a serious note, the fact is most other industrialized countries have universal health care, and they spend less as a percentage of GDP than we do. the money is there, it's just not being allocated properly.

 

[P@triot]

…since Bush and his illegal invasion of Iraq.

Uhhhh….”illegal”? Son, the operations in Iraq were literally the most legal military operations ever.

The Bush Administration received a UN Security Council authorization and they received authorization from Congress.

 

[P@triot]

We must restore constitutional government.

What characterizes the years from the late ’60s/early ’70s up until the present is vast expansion of government power and intrusion into the lives of citizens. In other words, the more government goes where it doesn’t belong, the more confidence and trust that citizens feel in their government deteriorate.

Well that’s what happens when you operate illegally. People don’t trust those who break the law.

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[P@triot]

“We must restore constitutional government”. Such is the ignorant nonsense of the TPM and others on the ridiculous right.

The United States is currently functioning under Constitutional government, nothing needs to be ‘restored’ – the notion is moronic, baseless idiocy.

Just a reminder that C_Clayton_Jones desperately wants you to believe that "the United States is currently functioning under constitutional government". Aside from the most blatantly obvious (like the fact that there are several hundred federal departments when the constitution only tasks the federal government with 18 specific responsibilities), there is this little gem:

Venmo, PayPal Must Report Goods and Services Payments of $600 or Above to IRS

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Remind me again where in the US Constitution it authorizes the federal government to receive reports about your spending habits? And no attempt to hide behind or twist the intent of taxes and/or the IRS can explain away this egregious violation of basic 4th Amendment rights. With no search warrant (due to absolutely no cause), you are reported to the federal government every time you spend more than $600. Most couches cost more than $600. Most tables cost more than $600. All automobiles cost more than $600. There is very little you can buy without being reported on like you are a Jew in Nazi Germany.

Despite the willful ignorance of CCJ above, we are not operating under constitutional government, and have not been for well over 150 years now.

 

[JoeB131]

Remind me again where in the US Constitution it authorizes the federal government to receive reports about your spending habits?

16th Amendment, allowing for an income tax. Happy to have sorted that out for you.