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The people tasked with enforcing our laws are the same people violating our most important laws....

Beyond the controversial ways stingray technology works, the secrecy and deception law enforcement agencies use to cloak their use of the devices is also troubling. Law enforcement agencies around the country have routinely used the devices without obtaining a warrant from judges. In cases where they did obtain a warrant, they often deceived judges about the nature of the technology they planned to use. Instead of telling judges that they intended to use a stingray or cell site simulator, they have often mischaracterized the technology, describing it as a pen register device instead.

Hacker Lexicon: Stingrays, the Spy Tool the Government Tried, and Failed, to Hide
HOW? is the question......

our dammed ruling class is corrupt and out of control.
The way communications work, like cellphones, is that tower side is repeatedly broadcasting in a fairly frequent manner, and a then a cellphone responds to let the tower know it is in the vicinity and wants a time slot. Then the tower can get the cellphone to do whatever it wants. And if the tower is not a real public tower, but instead is a fake government plant, then the tower can not only get it to reveal it's GPS coordinates, but even listen in on conversations and turn on the video. Perfect for bugging suspects without having to actually put anything there.
 
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HOW? is the question......

our dammed ruling class is corrupt and out of control.
You're 100% correct on both accounts. I would say three things (though I'm open to suggestions):

1. Take back control of education in America
The Dumbocrats need an ignorant electorate to win elections and they know it. That is why they took control of education in America and destroyed it. We need to take it back and teach real history.

2. Fight back through the FREE MARKET
It's ridiculous that so-called "conservatives" call tech corporations into Congress to wine. Build alternatives in the free market. Parler. Rumble. USMB. We have plenty of options for conservative voices and we can build more.

3. Enforce the law
ANTIFA and BLM are domestic terrorist organizations. Treat them as such. Secure the border. Deport all 20 million illegal aliens at all costs. Stop voter fraud. Most of what the left engages in, is illegal. They can't do any harm if they are sitting in prison, where they belong.
 
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Why? You have more influence over your own state government than you do over the federal government?
Exactly. My own state government. When the federal government sends my money to California, that's not my state government. Therefore, I have 0 control over it. None. Zip. Zero. Not a single say or vote. Even way less than I have with the federal government.

Stop sending my money to other states, I'll stop demanding federal control.
 
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A fetus or a baby is a subjective distinction
Wrong. It's a human life whether you want to play a juvenile game of calling it a baby, a "fetus", an "embryo" or anything else. Science has unequivocally proven as much.
and the women gets to make that choice because she is the one who has to risk her life if she wants to deliver it.
Stop the immature hyperbole. Lets have an adult conversation here. No woman's life is in "danger" under normal circumstances. In those rare instances where a physician can absolutely attest to the fact that the woman's life is legitimately in danger, I 100% support her right to an abortion. Her life is not worth less than the baby.
And clearly a 40 years old can have its life taken without it being a crime, if the person is brain dead or otherwise hopeless.
Again, stop with the juvenile game. The brain dead person is not in the natural state of a person at that age. A health baby in the womb is in the natural state of a "fetus" at that stage.
 

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HOW? is the question......

our dammed ruling class is corrupt and out of control.
You're 100% correct on both accounts. I would say three things (though I'm open to suggestions):

1. Take back control of education in America
The Dumbocrats need an ignorant electorate to win elections and they know it. That is why they took control of education in America and destroyed it. We need to take it back and teach real history.

2. Fight back through the FREE MARKET
It's ridiculous that so-called "conservatives" call tech corporations into Congress to wine. Build alternatives in the free market. Parler. Rumble. USMB. We have plenty of options for conservative voices and we can build more.

3. Enforce the law
ANTIFA and BLM are domestic terrorist organizations. Treat them as such. Secure the border. Deport all 20 million illegal aliens at all costs. Stop voter fraud. Most of what the left engages in, is illegal. They can't do any harm if they are sitting in prison, where they belong.
1. The wealthy elite who back republicans don't want an educated population either, because then they would have to pay them more.

2. A free market is one dictated by monopolies. The people demand a fair market, and only socialism can provide fair access to everyone on thing that may not be profitable, like good health care, utilities, etc.

3. We need terrorist organizations when government is consistently committing atrocities like Vietnam, the invasion of Iraq over WMD lies, etc. Police that shoot unarmed people should be in jail, and since the government is not doing it, we need to jail the whole government if we have to. As far as illegal aliens, we need them to keep manufacturing and agriculture prices down, and pay for our Social Security. What voter fraud? Point it out?
 

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Why? You have more influence over your own state government than you do over the federal government?
Exactly. My own state government. When the federal government sends my money to California, that's not my state government. Therefore, I have 0 control over it. None. Zip. Zero. Not a single say or vote. Even way less than I have with the federal government.

Stop sending my money to other states, I'll stop demanding federal control.
Sorry, but I think you have this backwards.
In general the most populated states pay the most in federal taxes and get disproportionately less back, like CA.
It is the less populated poor states that pay in the least and get the most back proportionately.
 

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The people tasked with enforcing our laws are the same people violating our most important laws....

Beyond the controversial ways stingray technology works, the secrecy and deception law enforcement agencies use to cloak their use of the devices is also troubling. Law enforcement agencies around the country have routinely used the devices without obtaining a warrant from judges. In cases where they did obtain a warrant, they often deceived judges about the nature of the technology they planned to use. Instead of telling judges that they intended to use a stingray or cell site simulator, they have often mischaracterized the technology, describing it as a pen register device instead.

Hacker Lexicon: Stingrays, the Spy Tool the Government Tried, and Failed, to Hide

follow the constitution?

do you want police to stop killing people in the streets?
 

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A fetus or a baby is a subjective distinction
Wrong. It's a human life whether you want to play a juvenile game of calling it a baby, a "fetus", an "embryo" or anything else. Science has unequivocally proven as much.
and the women gets to make that choice because she is the one who has to risk her life if she wants to deliver it.
Stop the immature hyperbole. Lets have an adult conversation here. No woman's life is in "danger" under normal circumstances. In those rare instances where a physician can absolutely attest to the fact that the woman's life is legitimately in danger, I 100% support her right to an abortion. Her life is not worth less than the baby.
And clearly a 40 years old can have its life taken without it being a crime, if the person is brain dead or otherwise hopeless.
Again, stop with the juvenile game. The brain dead person is not in the natural state of a person at that age. A health baby in the womb is in the natural state of a "fetus" at that stage.
But is an unborn sentient?
I don't think so, so I don't think it cares whether it lives of dies.
And clearly we are WAY over populated already, and the world can only sustainably support about a forth of the population we already have.
We have been cheating with fossil fuels for over 100 years now, but those fossil fuels are running out, and food production is going to be cut by at least 3/4s soon.
 
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1. The wealthy elite who back republicans don't want an educated population either, because then they would have to pay them more.
That makes 0 sense. Wealthy people excitedly shell out massive money to land free agents. George Steinbrenner shelled out a quarter of a billion dollars to land Alex Rodriguez. If the left understood basic economics, they would understand how absurd their comments are.
2. A free market is one dictated by monopolies. The people demand a fair market, and only socialism can provide fair access to everyone on thing that may not be profitable, like good health care, utilities, etc.
Really? You don't like monopolies, uh? Really? So tell me, who is the federal governments competition? Don't say "state governments" because they have 0 authority over coining money, defense, or any of the other federal powers.

Sorry, but you are wrong yet again. Free markets ensure competition. The moment a monopoly exists, someone offers an alternative cheaper. That's just a simple fact. The left loves their faux terms like "fair". It's just propaganda for "government-CONTROLLED".
3. Police that shoot unarmed people should be in jail, and since the government is not doing it, we need to jail the whole government if we have to.
In #2 you claim we need government to make things "fair". In #3, you claim that government is a bunch of murderous thugs. :laugh:

Folks...you can't make this stuff up! This is the left for you. They can't spit out a single sentence without contradicting themselves.
 
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Sorry, but I think you have this backwards.
I don't have it backwards. I don't have it backwards at all. You wrongly claimed that I had more control over how federal funds were spent at the state level. The fact is, I don't have an ounce of control over 49 states. Not an ounce. You were wrong.
 
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As far as illegal aliens, we need them to keep manufacturing and agriculture prices down, and pay for our Social Security.
  • Illegal aliens do not pay for our social security :eusa_doh:
  • You cannot justify illegal actions under the guise of "but it keeps prices down"
We're either a lawful nation or we're not. You leftist thugs want a lawless nation because you hate the US and because you're too lazy to compete in the free market.
 
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In general the most populated states pay the most in federal taxes and get disproportionately less back, like CA.
In general, you buy into left-wing propaganda. Which is really a shame.

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1. The wealthy elite who back republicans don't want an educated population either, because then they would have to pay them more.
That makes 0 sense. Wealthy people excitedly shell out massive money to land free agents. George Steinbrenner shelled out a quarter of a billion dollars to land Alex Rodriguez. If the left understood basic economics, they would understand how absurd their comments are.
2. A free market is one dictated by monopolies. The people demand a fair market, and only socialism can provide fair access to everyone on thing that may not be profitable, like good health care, utilities, etc.
Really? You don't like monopolies, uh? Really? So tell me, who is the federal governments competition? Don't say "state governments" because they have 0 authority over coining money, defense, or any of the other federal powers.

Sorry, but you are wrong yet again. Free markets ensure competition. The moment a monopoly exists, someone offers an alternative cheaper. That's just a simple fact. The left loves their faux terms like "fair". It's just propaganda for "government-CONTROLLED".
3. Police that shoot unarmed people should be in jail, and since the government is not doing it, we need to jail the whole government if we have to.
In #2 you claim we need government to make things "fair". In #3, you claim that government is a bunch of murderous thugs. :laugh:

Folks...you can't make this stuff up! This is the left for you. They can't spit out a single sentence without contradicting themselves.

I don't get that at all because athletes who make millions are also part of the wealthy elite. Steinbrenner and Rodriguez are both the wealthy elite. Neither are the average joe.
The point is that education allows for more equal opportunity for anyone who wants to work for it.
Most people can never be highly paid athletes.
That takes rare genes.

The federal government is not a monopoly because we are the owners and board members, who can tell the federal government to do whatever we say. The problem seems to be we are letting the federal government get away with lying to us, like lying about Iraqi WMD, lying about needing gun control, etc.

Free markets can never enure fair competition. For example, what Microsoft did was to make computer wholesalers buy a copy of Windows for every computer they sold, even if the customer wanted Linux or something else. Otherwise Microsoft would not let them buy any Microsoft product.
Another thing Microsoft did was to buy up all the shelf space at places that sold computer software, and would not allow competition to be sold.

But you do have a good point about how it is contradictory for me to complain about government abuses but then still support socialism.
 

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As far as illegal aliens, we need them to keep manufacturing and agriculture prices down, and pay for our Social Security.
  • Illegal aliens do not pay for our social security :eusa_doh:
  • You cannot justify illegal actions under the guise of "but it keeps prices down"
We're either a lawful nation or we're not. You leftist thugs want a lawless nation because you hate the US and because you're too lazy to compete in the free market.
Illegal aliens do pay Social Security, but just do so under a borrowed social security number.
All immigration used to be legal, and it is not clear we have legal right to deny immigration by natives have more right to be here than we do.
Their ancestors used to live here, while our ancestors came from Europe.

I compete fine in the free market, I just have compassion for those who do not.
And I am worried about who is going to keep Social Security afloat.
 

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I don't get that at all because athletes who make millions are also part of the wealthy elite. Steinbrenner and Rodriguez are both the wealthy elite. Neither are the average joe.
And that's the point. Like 100% on the left (and at least 50% on the right), you don't get it. You actually think that Alex Rodriguez was paid to "hit a baseball" or "win games". And that's not why he was paid.

He was paid a quarter of a billion dollars because he will generate half a billion in revenue. In ticket sales. In concessions. In parking. In jersey sales. In tv revenue. He made Steinbrenner far more than he cost Steinbrenner.

And that's how it works. If you can't generate massive amounts of money for your organization, then you can't demand a massive salary. A checkout clerk doesn't generate revenue for an organization - they are a cost. So they can only demand a minimal salary. #BasicEconomics
 
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The point is that education allows for more equal opportunity for anyone who wants to work for it.
And? Education in the US through high school is not only free, it's mandatory. Beyond that, there is 0 excuse for not continuing your education if that's something you desire.

Even a minimal wage, entry level job at McDonald's comes with tuition reimbursement. College completely covered.
 

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I don't get that at all because athletes who make millions are also part of the wealthy elite. Steinbrenner and Rodriguez are both the wealthy elite. Neither are the average joe.
And that's the point. Like 100% on the left (and at least 50% on the right), you don't get it. You actually think that Alex Rodriguez was paid to "hit a baseball" or "win games". And that's not why he was paid.

He was paid a quarter of a billion dollars because he will generate half a billion in revenue. In ticket sales. In concessions. In parking. In jersey sales. In tv revenue. He made Steinbrenner far more than he cost Steinbrenner.

And that's how it works. If you can't generate massive amounts of money for your organization, then you can't demand a massive salary. A checkout clerk doesn't generate revenue for an organization - they are a cost. So they can only demand a minimal salary. #BasicEconomics
No, you don't get it, Rodriguez produced nothing, and was not worth those millions.
Steinbrenner actually did not earn anything either, and simply made money because he had the investment money to start with.
All people should have the same opportunity, and then their results would be due to effort and ambition, not inheritance or luck.
 

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The point is that education allows for more equal opportunity for anyone who wants to work for it.
And? Education in the US through high school is not only free, it's mandatory. Beyond that, there is 0 excuse for not continuing your education if that's something you desire.

Even a minimal wage, entry level job at McDonald's comes with tuition reimbursement. College completely covered.
No, McDonald's tuition reimbursement is only $2500/year.
Tuition now is more like $12000/ year, and that does not count food and rent, which doubles that.
So McDonalds is paying only about a tenth the actual costs.
 
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No, you don't get it, Rodriguez produced nothing, and was not worth those millions.
No, you don’t get it. Rodriguez was worth every penny because he generated far more than he was paid. Millions paid large ticket prices night after night just to watch him play. Millions more bought his jersey and other items with his number on it.
Steinbrenner actually did not earn anything either, and simply made money because he had the investment money to start with.
Many people had millions and ended up bankrupt. Steinbrenner didn’t - which makes him exponentially better than most.
All people should have the same opportunity, and then their results would be due to effort and ambition, not inheritance or luck.
All people do have the same opportunity. Bill Gates wasn’t born a billionaire. Hell, he wasn’t even born a millionaire. He came from an average, middle-class family.

Steve Jobs was given up for adoption by his mother. He was adopted by a middle class family. He died a billionaire (without a college education).

The cream rises to the top. Anyone who doesn’t succeed, failed because they had nothing to offer. It really is that simple.
 

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