Zone1 We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?

[Paradoxical#1]

I haven’t conflated anything. I have stated facts.

The evidence shows the first Christians did worship Jesus as God.

The evidence of the 24,000 written manuscripts explain why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

The evidence of the Babylonian Talmud confirmed Jesus performed miracles and and made blasphemous claims so he was put to death for sorcery and inciting apostasy.

From an AI called GOK:

The Babylonian Talmud, a central text of Rabbinic Judaism compiled around the 5th-6th centuries CE, contains a few passages that some scholars interpret as references to Jesus, though he is not named explicitly. These passages are found in tractates like Sanhedrin and Sotah, particularly Sanhedrin 43a and 107b. They describe a figure, sometimes called "Yeshu" or "Yeshu HaNotzri," who is accused of practicing sorcery and leading Israel astray, for which he was executed.Key points from the Talmud regarding this figure:

• Sorcery: The Talmud suggests this individual performed acts perceived as magical or miraculous, which were interpreted as sorcery by the rabbinic authorities.
• Apostasy: He is accused of enticing others to idolatry or straying from Jewish law, a serious offense in the Jewish legal system.
• Execution: The texts describe a trial and execution, with the figure being stoned and/or hanged on the eve of Passover, which some connect to crucifixion narratives.

However, these references are debated:

• Identification with Jesus: The name "Yeshu" may not definitively refer to the Christian Jesus, as it was a common name, and details (like the timing or specific accusations) don't always align perfectly with the Gospel accounts.
• Historical Context: The Talmud was compiled centuries after Jesus' life, and these passages may reflect later rabbinic polemics against early Christianity rather than historical records.
• Bias and Interpretation: The Talmud's portrayal is from a non-Christian perspective, framing miracles as sorcery and claims as blasphemous within the Jewish legal framework of the time.

Scholars like Peter Schäfer (in Jesus in the Talmud) argue these passages likely refer to Jesus, reflecting Jewish counter-narratives to Christian claims. Others, like Joseph Klausner, suggest the references are too vague or anachronistic to confirm historical details about Jesus' life or death.In short, the Babylonian Talmud contains passages that may describe a figure resembling Jesus, accused of sorcery and apostasy, leading to execution. However, these are not conclusive confirmations due to ambiguities in identification, historical distance, and the text's polemical nature.

Again, This is all BS and doesn't mention Jesus or miracles. Nor is there anything outside of this document that says this happened or was Jesus. You are like a man in an ocean grasping at a straw to stay afloat to keep your illusions.

 

[80zephyr]

We have George Washington's house to prove he was real. We have photos of dead people to prove they were real. The cultists don't even know where the alleged tomb of Jesus was. Never mind that he was real and resurrected.

And we have writings to prove Jesus was real. I mean, if I use your logic again.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

And we have writings to prove Jesus was real. I mean, if I use your logic again.

We have writings to "prove" that Russia colluded with Trump to make him win the election.

Trouble is, it never happened. And this is modern times with access to information, and we would have never known had Trump not won again.

I have said this a million times. Ancient writings do not prove miracles, deities or resurrection, especially when written at a time when a belief in gods and superstition was running rampant.

 

[80zephyr]

We have writings to "prove" that Russia colluded with Trump to make him win the election.

Trouble is, it never happened. And this is modern times with access to information, and we would have never known had Trump not won again.

I have said this a million times. Ancient writings do not prove miracles, deities or resurrection, especially when written at a time when a belief in gods and superstition was running rampant.

Preponderance of evidence insists Jesus did exist.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Preponderance of evidence insists Jesus did exist.

There is no EVIDENCE. There are writings and are trying to argue based on popularity meaning that because something is written about a subject more often that means it is true.

 

[80zephyr]

There is no EVIDENCE. There are writings and are trying to argue based on popularity meaning that because something is written about a subject more often that means it is true.

Like I said, then any history before us can be denied.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Like I said, then any history before us can be denied.

That is not true. History doesn't make extraordinary claims

 

[Dragonlady]

We’ve all heard the slogans and demands of modern women these days, the ones who outwardly and unashamedly say “Where are the REAL men?”, “Men are trash” etc. (Imagine if we said that about any other group for a second.. A white guy saying “Where are the REAL blacks? Black People are trash”). Yet, these slogans are completely accepted and happen constantly in mainstream society amidst the feminist cultures that are supported on social media, in the mainstream media, on pretty much all of the left, and even a bit on the right too (Tomi Laughrin, for example).

But, Let’s talk about duties and obligations of the sexes to society and to one another. Men’s are well known for 3 reasons:

1. We want to do them for the good of society and to love those we seek
2. It’s in our behavioral psychology to provide them
3. Modern women complain about and list them constantly

What are those duties and obligations?

1. Protect women from harm
2. Provide most of your resources to them, pay for them, court them.
3. Build society, infrastructure, and do the hard jobs/labor that are difficult, dangerous, etc. so they don’t have to
4. Protect society, be the enforcement (Police, military, etc.) so they are safe
5. Be a leader and “step up” aka improve to attain them
6. Put up with mistreatment, get slapped/hit and don’t retaliate because “men just aren’t supposed to do that”
7. do things for her, sweep her off her feet

Assuming all of these are true (and it’s hard to argue they aren’t).. in return, what are women supposed to offer to society and to their boyfriend, husband/partner? What does our feminist society say what a “Real woman” should be? I really can’t think of anything. Traditional women have some answers, but that’s not the what our society promotes (it actually demonized it with references to slavery, Handmaids tale, etc.). Modern women regularly publicly tee off on men, while simultaneously being blind to the protections and support men provide them (Feminism can only exist in a 1st world country). Meanwhile, society, leftists, and feminist speakers offer no things women SHOULD do for their men, or for society, at least I don’t see any of it in the mainstream.

It’s usually about what women should receive.
1. Be a girl boss! Get yours girl!
2. You’re fine the way you are.
3. Don’t put up with any commanding or leading, it’s abuse (while saying find a “real” man who can lead)
4. He should pay, he should be a gentleman. Chivalry.
5. He should make me feel safe.

The latest data shows bad trends.. We see a massive growth in young single men, men who aren’t seeking women, etc. And it sadly makes sense. Why would they seek a group that has been largely inspired by an ideology (Feminism) to hold disdain for them, accuse them of conspiring to oppress them in a mythical “Patriarchy”, and even if a man provides protections and provisions to them personally or in society, it’s completely ignored and it’s completely acceptable to degrade them, mock them, etc. There’s nothing in it for men, at least when dealing with the modern woman, leftist woman, and even some right wing women who are too caught up in societal norms.

Before I offer any prescriptions, confirm that I’m not saying men should NOT do their duties and obligations (or at least try), and without having to explain why it’s necessary for both sides to sacrifice and offer their duties/obligations to one another (leftists, that equality/equity rhetoric can come back to bite you here).. can anyone on here think of a duty or obligation our feminist modern society demands of modern women? Are there any lectures or pressures on them of what they “ought to do” to be considered a “Real woman”? And do so for their man or for society? By all means, the floor is yours.

Nothing in your post is in any way indicative of either what is expected of men, or what is expected of women.

I read your lists. Right wing, misogynistic bullshit. A straight white male member of the MAGA Party blithering about right wing talking points. Women get all of the breaks. Men are required to take care of women, build the world, protect women and children, and not complain about women.

Get back to us when you're ready to have a REAL discussion, about REAL issues that women face:

• lack of health care during child bearing years
• lack of child care for working women
• lack of resources for women fleeing domestic violence
• gender pay gap of 30% which is getting worse, not better
• sexual violence and predation - women can no longer leave drinks unattended
• no meaningful consequences when women are sexually assaulted or raped

 

[whoisit]

Blaming feminism is bunk. Why do you think its a duty for a woman to have kids if she chooses not to? For those that want kids go out and have them. For those that dont, its NOT the nation's business. You make it sound like those women not having kids are some how a threat to the nation. The old tradition of getting married in one's 20s(too young) and having kids is going out the window. Big whoop. This "submit to your husband" nonsense goes against my Christian values.

I think the reason more women chose not to have kids is the byproduct of the feminist movement.
Women want stuff and notoriety more so than having kids. They want big homes, big autos and big positions. if they do have kids they are raised by strangers in nurseries.
Then society wonders what's wrong with our youth today. We also lost our self-respect.
it is a sad situation for all. I think " the hand that rocks the cradle " does indirectly rule the world. That word is 'hand' not hands.
Women now kiss the wrong asses for the wrong reasons, Imo of course.

 

[whoisit]

You really came a long way baby, you now have lung cancer and other cigarette related cancers men do.

 

[ding]

From an AI called GOK:

The Babylonian Talmud, a central text of Rabbinic Judaism compiled around the 5th-6th centuries CE, contains a few passages that some scholars interpret as references to Jesus, though he is not named explicitly. These passages are found in tractates like Sanhedrin and Sotah, particularly Sanhedrin 43a and 107b. They describe a figure, sometimes called "Yeshu" or "Yeshu HaNotzri," who is accused of practicing sorcery and leading Israel astray, for which he was executed.Key points from the Talmud regarding this figure:

• Sorcery: The Talmud suggests this individual performed acts perceived as magical or miraculous, which were interpreted as sorcery by the rabbinic authorities.
• Apostasy: He is accused of enticing others to idolatry or straying from Jewish law, a serious offense in the Jewish legal system.
• Execution: The texts describe a trial and execution, with the figure being stoned and/or hanged on the eve of Passover, which some connect to crucifixion narratives.

However, these references are debated:

• Identification with Jesus: The name "Yeshu" may not definitively refer to the Christian Jesus, as it was a common name, and details (like the timing or specific accusations) don't always align perfectly with the Gospel accounts.
• Historical Context: The Talmud was compiled centuries after Jesus' life, and these passages may reflect later rabbinic polemics against early Christianity rather than historical records.
• Bias and Interpretation: The Talmud's portrayal is from a non-Christian perspective, framing miracles as sorcery and claims as blasphemous within the Jewish legal framework of the time.

Scholars like Peter Schäfer (in Jesus in the Talmud) argue these passages likely refer to Jesus, reflecting Jewish counter-narratives to Christian claims. Others, like Joseph Klausner, suggest the references are too vague or anachronistic to confirm historical details about Jesus' life or death.In short, the Babylonian Talmud contains passages that may describe a figure resembling Jesus, accused of sorcery and apostasy, leading to execution. However, these are not conclusive confirmations due to ambiguities in identification, historical distance, and the text's polemical nature.

Again, This is all BS and doesn't mention Jesus or miracles. Nor is there anything outside of this document that says this happened or was Jesus. You are like a man in an ocean grasping at a straw to stay afloat to keep your illusions.

It does name Jesus specifically. That’s why you didn’t quote it verbatim.

The evidence shows the first Christians did worship Jesus as God.

The evidence of the 24,000 written manuscripts explain why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

The evidence of the Babylonian Talmud confirmed Jesus performed miracles and and made blasphemous claims so he was put to death for sorcery and inciting apostasy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

It does name Jesus specifically. That’s why you didn’t quote it verbatim.

The evidence shows the first Christians did worship Jesus as God.

The evidence of the 24,000 written manuscripts explain why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

The evidence of the Babylonian Talmud confirmed Jesus performed miracles and and made blasphemous claims so he was put to death for sorcery and inciting apostasy.

Another cut and paste of lies and I will ignore it.

 

[ding]

Another cut and paste of lies and I will ignore it.

That’s because you ignore evidence.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

That’s because you ignore evidence.

The bible is a story book. Many books were written about fairies and elves and that is not evidence that they exist.

 

[ding]

The bible is a story book. Many books were written about fairies and elves and that is not evidence that they exist.

The evidence shows the first Christians did worship Jesus as God.

The evidence of the 24,000 written manuscripts explain why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

The evidence of the Babylonian Talmud confirmed Jesus performed miracles and and made blasphemous claims so he was put to death for sorcery and inciting apostasy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The evidence shows the first Christians did worship Jesus as God.

The evidence of the 24,000 written manuscripts explain why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

The evidence of the Babylonian Talmud confirmed Jesus performed miracles and and made blasphemous claims so he was put to death for sorcery and inciting apostasy.

Manuscripts are not evidence. Claims of sorcery and visions are not evidence.

 

[Hafar1014]

The bible is a story book. Many books were written about fairies and elves and that is not evidence that they exist.

Its an allegory that has wisdom far ahead of its time. Leviticus is civil law

 

[ding]

Manuscripts are not evidence. Claims of sorcery and visions are not evidence.

The evidence shows the first Christians did worship Jesus as God.

The evidence of the 24,000 written manuscripts explain why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

The evidence of the Babylonian Talmud confirmed Jesus performed miracles and and made blasphemous claims so he was put to death for sorcery and inciting apostasy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Its an allegory that has wisdom far ahead of its time. Leviticus is civil law

Slavery and the subjugation of females was ahead of its time. Telling people they are guilty of what their ancestors did and they need your remedy is ahead of its time?

Where in hell do people come up with such bullshit? The laws you tout were made by humans long before your Bible was invented.

 

[Hafar1014]

Slavery and the subjugation of females was ahead of its time. Telling people they are guilty of what their ancestors did and they need your remedy is ahead of its time?

Where in hell do people come up with such bullshit? The laws you tout were made by humans long before your Bible was invented.

What laws. Rome dominated morality and it was immoral