Zone1 We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?

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We’ve all heard the slogans and demands of modern women these days, the ones who outwardly and unashamedly say “Where are the REAL men?”, “Men are trash” etc. (Imagine if we said that about any other group for a second.. A white guy saying “Where are the REAL blacks? Black People are trash”). Yet, these slogans are completely accepted and happen constantly in mainstream society amidst the feminist cultures that are supported on social media, in the mainstream media, on pretty much all of the left, and even a bit on the right too (Tomi Laughrin, for example).

But, Let’s talk about duties and obligations of the sexes to society and to one another. Men’s are well known for 3 reasons:

1. We want to do them for the good of society and to love those we seek
2. It’s in our behavioral psychology to provide them
3. Modern women complain about and list them constantly

What are those duties and obligations?

1. Protect women from harm
2. Provide most of your resources to them, pay for them, court them.
3. Build society, infrastructure, and do the hard jobs/labor that are difficult, dangerous, etc. so they don’t have to
4. Protect society, be the enforcement (Police, military, etc.) so they are safe
5. Be a leader and “step up” aka improve to attain them
6. Put up with mistreatment, get slapped/hit and don’t retaliate because “men just aren’t supposed to do that”
7. do things for her, sweep her off her feet

Assuming all of these are true (and it’s hard to argue they aren’t).. in return, what are women supposed to offer to society and to their boyfriend, husband/partner? What does our feminist society say what a “Real woman” should be? I really can’t think of anything. Traditional women have some answers, but that’s not the what our society promotes (it actually demonized it with references to slavery, Handmaids tale, etc.). Modern women regularly publicly tee off on men, while simultaneously being blind to the protections and support men provide them (Feminism can only exist in a 1st world country). Meanwhile, society, leftists, and feminist speakers offer no things women SHOULD do for their men, or for society, at least I don’t see any of it in the mainstream.

It’s usually about what women should receive.
1. Be a girl boss! Get yours girl!
2. You’re fine the way you are.
3. Don’t put up with any commanding or leading, it’s abuse (while saying find a “real” man who can lead)
4. He should pay, he should be a gentleman. Chivalry.
5. He should make me feel safe.

The latest data shows bad trends.. We see a massive growth in young single men, men who aren’t seeking women, etc. And it sadly makes sense. Why would they seek a group that has been largely inspired by an ideology (Feminism) to hold disdain for them, accuse them of conspiring to oppress them in a mythical “Patriarchy”, and even if a man provides protections and provisions to them personally or in society, it’s completely ignored and it’s completely acceptable to degrade them, mock them, etc. There’s nothing in it for men, at least when dealing with the modern woman, leftist woman, and even some right wing women who are too caught up in societal norms.

Before I offer any prescriptions, confirm that I’m not saying men should NOT do their duties and obligations (or at least try), and without having to explain why it’s necessary for both sides to sacrifice and offer their duties/obligations to one another (leftists, that equality/equity rhetoric can come back to bite you here).. can anyone on here think of a duty or obligation our feminist modern society demands of modern women? Are there any lectures or pressures on them of what they “ought to do” to be considered a “Real woman”? And do so for their man or for society? By all means, the floor is yours.
 
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Oh, and I’ll get this post in before the insecure leftist men (or the male compete pushovers) come in and reply to even bringing up this ideological discussion with insults , accusations, etc.

If you do that…
1. You’re an intellectual coward
2. You’re predictable and need to get a bit on integrity for yourself

I’ll keep a list of people who are indeed so insecure and unable to address the topic that they have a mere undisciplined emotional reaction and throw insults (which is a more emotional feminine response)

Who’s first?
 
How about you do well for you and yours. The rest will sort itself out or not.
…. Um, okay?

Can I ask why you’re on a debate forum and replying to claims with… mere relativism?

Nobody can say anything because it’s all just subjective? Do I have that correct?
 
Go to X and you will see women exposing their breasts to attract men.
 
If a husband loses his job, will the wife be willing to support him.

Wives certainly expect it of men.
 
We’ve all heard the slogans and demands of modern women these days, the ones who outwardly and unashamedly say “Where are the REAL men?”, “Men are trash” etc. (Imagine if we said that about any other group for a second.. A white guy saying “Where are the REAL blacks? Black People are trash”). Yet, these slogans are completely accepted and happen constantly in mainstream society amidst the feminist cultures that are supported on social media, in the mainstream media, on pretty much all of the left, and even a bit on the right too (Tomi Laughrin, for example).

But, Let’s talk about duties and obligations of the sexes to society and to one another. Men’s are well known for 3 reasons:

1. We want to do them for the good of society and to love those we seek
2. It’s in our behavioral psychology to provide them
3. Modern women complain about and list them constantly

What are those duties and obligations?

1. Protect women from harm
2. Provide most of your resources to them, pay for them, court them.
3. Build society, infrastructure, and do the hard jobs/labor that are difficult, dangerous, etc. so they don’t have to
4. Protect society, be the enforcement (Police, military, etc.) so they are safe
5. Be a leader and “step up” aka improve to attain them
6. Put up with mistreatment, get slapped/hit and don’t retaliate because “men just aren’t supposed to do that”
7. do things for her, sweep her off her feet

Assuming all of these are true (and it’s hard to argue they aren’t).. in return, what are women supposed to offer to society and to their boyfriend, husband/partner? What does our feminist society say what a “Real woman” should be? I really can’t think of anything. Traditional women have some answers, but that’s not the what our society promotes (it actually demonized it with references to slavery, Handmaids tale, etc.). Modern women regularly publicly tee off on men, while simultaneously being blind to the protections and support men provide them (Feminism can only exist in a 1st world country). Meanwhile, society, leftists, and feminist speakers offer no things women SHOULD do for their men, or for society, at least I don’t see any of it in the mainstream.

It’s usually about what women should receive.
1. Be a girl boss! Get yours girl!
2. You’re fine the way you are.
3. Don’t put up with any commanding or leading, it’s abuse (while saying find a “real” man who can lead)
4. He should pay, he should be a gentleman. Chivalry.
5. He should make me feel safe.

The latest data shows bad trends.. We see a massive growth in young single men, men who aren’t seeking women, etc. And it sadly makes sense. Why would they seek a group that has been largely inspired by an ideology (Feminism) to hold disdain for them, accuse them of conspiring to oppress them in a mythical “Patriarchy”, and even if a man provides protections and provisions to them personally or in society, it’s completely ignored and it’s completely acceptable to degrade them, mock them, etc. There’s nothing in it for men, at least when dealing with the modern woman, leftist woman, and even some right wing women who are too caught up in societal norms.

Before I offer any prescriptions, confirm that I’m not saying men should NOT do their duties and obligations (or at least try), and without having to explain why it’s necessary for both sides to sacrifice and offer their duties/obligations to one another (leftists, that equality/equity rhetoric can come back to bite you here).. can anyone on here think of a duty or obligation our feminist modern society demands of modern women? Are there any lectures or pressures on them of what they “ought to do” to be considered a “Real woman”? And do so for their man or for society? By all means, the floor is yours.
The first problem - "obligation". Irrespective of gender.
 
We’ve all heard the slogans and demands of modern women these days, the ones who outwardly and unashamedly say “Where are the REAL men?”, “Men are trash” etc. (Imagine if we said that about any other group for a second.. A white guy saying “Where are the REAL blacks? Black People are trash”). Yet, these slogans are completely accepted and happen constantly in mainstream society amidst the feminist cultures that are supported on social media, in the mainstream media, on pretty much all of the left, and even a bit on the right too (Tomi Laughrin, for example).

But, Let’s talk about duties and obligations of the sexes to society and to one another. Men’s are well known for 3 reasons:

1. We want to do them for the good of society and to love those we seek
2. It’s in our behavioral psychology to provide them
3. Modern women complain about and list them constantly

What are those duties and obligations?

1. Protect women from harm
2. Provide most of your resources to them, pay for them, court them.
3. Build society, infrastructure, and do the hard jobs/labor that are difficult, dangerous, etc. so they don’t have to
4. Protect society, be the enforcement (Police, military, etc.) so they are safe
5. Be a leader and “step up” aka improve to attain them
6. Put up with mistreatment, get slapped/hit and don’t retaliate because “men just aren’t supposed to do that”
7. do things for her, sweep her off her feet

Assuming all of these are true (and it’s hard to argue they aren’t).. in return, what are women supposed to offer to society and to their boyfriend, husband/partner? What does our feminist society say what a “Real woman” should be? I really can’t think of anything. Traditional women have some answers, but that’s not the what our society promotes (it actually demonized it with references to slavery, Handmaids tale, etc.). Modern women regularly publicly tee off on men, while simultaneously being blind to the protections and support men provide them (Feminism can only exist in a 1st world country). Meanwhile, society, leftists, and feminist speakers offer no things women SHOULD do for their men, or for society, at least I don’t see any of it in the mainstream.

It’s usually about what women should receive.
1. Be a girl boss! Get yours girl!
2. You’re fine the way you are.
3. Don’t put up with any commanding or leading, it’s abuse (while saying find a “real” man who can lead)
4. He should pay, he should be a gentleman. Chivalry.
5. He should make me feel safe.

The latest data shows bad trends.. We see a massive growth in young single men, men who aren’t seeking women, etc. And it sadly makes sense. Why would they seek a group that has been largely inspired by an ideology (Feminism) to hold disdain for them, accuse them of conspiring to oppress them in a mythical “Patriarchy”, and even if a man provides protections and provisions to them personally or in society, it’s completely ignored and it’s completely acceptable to degrade them, mock them, etc. There’s nothing in it for men, at least when dealing with the modern woman, leftist woman, and even some right wing women who are too caught up in societal norms.

Before I offer any prescriptions, confirm that I’m not saying men should NOT do their duties and obligations (or at least try), and without having to explain why it’s necessary for both sides to sacrifice and offer their duties/obligations to one another (leftists, that equality/equity rhetoric can come back to bite you here).. can anyone on here think of a duty or obligation our feminist modern society demands of modern women? Are there any lectures or pressures on them of what they “ought to do” to be considered a “Real woman”? And do so for their man or for society? By all means, the floor is yours.


Let me try, based on my personal experiences....


1. Be respectful.

2. Be supportive.

3. Be loving.

4. Organize and run the home.
 
Let me try, based on my personal experiences....


1. Be respectful.

2. Be supportive.

3. Be loving.

4. Organize and run the home.

I agree through three. I think 4 has to be mutual, and this where a lot of friction happens.
 
I agree through three. I think 4 has to be mutual, and this where a lot of friction happens.


The woman is primary on those though. They inately just care more about the physical home and are better at it.


We have been doing a lot of remodeling in our house. THe impetus is almost always from the wife, and the follow though it me.


Recently my daughter expressed a desire to move into the Third Floor. I did the rough cleaning, it took weeks. The wife and the child did most of the painting, then I lugged in some really heavy furniture.

It is now quite nice. We then moved into the now empty room the kid had had.
 
Yes, I agree with you.

I misunderstood. Yes, the woman does take the lead. My wife does and is so much better than I am when it comes to home stuff. I make a few suggestions then am assigned to tote and carry.
 
Yes, I agree with you.

I misunderstood. Yes, the woman does take the lead. My wife does and is so much better than I am when it comes to home stuff. I make a few suggestions then am assigned to tote and carry.

I put energy into caring, to get engaged in the planning phase. She likes that. It would also be unfair of me to put ALL the responsibilty for the final outcome on her.


During covid we built in a "built in" in the dining room. It is quite nice. Floating shelves above. Even did some wiring.
 
The obligations men and women have towards each other are those they have agreed to, with the onus for honest communication placed upon the two equally.
Are men supposed to (or do they just) protect society and do all the infrastructure labor to give us this society? Are individual men supposed to protect women in the street?

The answer is yes to all of those, and rightfully so given our behavioural psychology.

Now, what are women supposed to do?

Bare children? Yes.. but in case you didn’t notice, post modern progressive women are more focused on themselves and what makes them immediately happy than an obligation to prevent our society from collapsing.

We have a replacement rate that is way too low, and this is a western issue due to modern feminist ideals that basically absolve women of all expectations in a functioning society while enjoying the protection and creation of society by men and simultaneously trashing them as useless.

If our society collapsed, feminist ideals would instantly be gone. Women would flock to the protection of men. “Equality” would be gone in an instant
 
Are men supposed to (or do they just) protect society and do all the infrastructure labor to give us this society? Are individual men supposed to protect women in the street?

The answer is yes to all of those, and rightfully so given our behavioural psychology.

Now, what are women supposed to do?

Bare children? Yes.. but in case you didn’t notice, post modern progressive women are more focused on themselves and what makes them immediately happy than an obligation to prevent our society from collapsing.

We have a replacement rate that is way too low, and this is a western issue due to modern feminist ideals that basically absolve women of all expectations in a functioning society while enjoying the protection and creation of society by men and simultaneously trashing them as useless.

If our society collapsed, feminist ideals would instantly be gone. Women would flock to the protection of men. “Equality” would be gone in an instant
I oppose identity politics. I oppose it because I view people as individuals rather than limiting them according to some sub-group that exists only in my head.
 
Are men supposed to (or do they just) protect society and do all the infrastructure labor to give us this society? Are individual men supposed to protect women in the street?

The answer is yes to all of those, and rightfully so given our behavioural psychology.

Now, what are women supposed to do?

Bare children? Yes.. but in case you didn’t notice, post modern progressive women are more focused on themselves and what makes them immediately happy than an obligation to prevent our society from collapsing.

We have a replacement rate that is way too low, and this is a western issue due to modern feminist ideals that basically absolve women of all expectations in a functioning society while enjoying the protection and creation of society by men and simultaneously trashing them as useless.

If our society collapsed, feminist ideals would instantly be gone. Women would flock to the protection of men. “Equality” would be gone in an instant
Blaming feminism is bunk. Why do you think its a duty for a woman to have kids if she chooses not to? For those that want kids go out and have them. For those that dont, its NOT the nation's business. You make it sound like those women not having kids are some how a threat to the nation. The old tradition of getting married in one's 20s(too young) and having kids is going out the window. Big whoop. This "submit to your husband" nonsense goes against my Christian values.
 

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