Zone1 We Get Told About Blacks Sellling Other Blacks but This is Kept Quiet. Why?

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The partnering of blacks and Europeans in the slave trade had to do with class structure and not race. Well to do blacks had black slaves. AAMOF white slavery was more the norm before slave traders found more furtile African ground to “kidnap their slaves”.

Slavery was a fact of economic development in the US and the only place on earth where slavery was a racial issue and not a class one.

Religion is the biggest culprit in missing the waters in the Middle East. It’s not hard to see how education has helped raise the level of would be slaves into productive workers.

The solution to the Palestinian problem lies first with empowerment of women and education that leads to a productive and valued work force. That’s why Palestinians . when exposed more often prefer democracies.
Slaves in Africa could work earn their freedom. Slaves there were either war captives, criminals, or there were some used for sex. At least 1 former slave became a king, Jaja of Obobo.


And it was more than just about class. I'm reading "Stamped from the Beginning" and it goes into great detail about the various theories that justified racism and enslavement. But the biggest problem with the Africans selling other Africans problem in America is ths:

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books, 2016

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.” “By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave -Breeding Industry

According to this information , 389,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860, there were four million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860, the number of slaves increased by at least one thousand percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for approximately 389 thousand slaves. What about the 3.1-4 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them.

The white controlled slave breeding "industry" IN AMERICA created 10 times more blacks than the number that came from Africans who "sold other Africans".
 
Show me where I claimed the article states your accusations and lies

You got it from a “ Jewish Source “ that Jews were behind Covid, JFK assignation, 9-11 etc etc? Seriously, that’s just what Farrakhan claims Thanks for proving my point. 👍 Typical NEGRO Mentality

I've never made such claims.
 
Slaves in Africa could work earn their freedom. Slaves there were either war captives, criminals, or there were some used for sex. At least 1 former slave became a king, Jaja of Obobo.


And it was more than just about class. I'm reading "Stamped from the Beginning" and it goes into great detail about the various theories that justified racism and enslavement. But the biggest problem with the Africans selling other Africans problem in America is ths:

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books, 2016

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.” “By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave -Breeding Industry

According to this information , 389,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860, there were four million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860, the number of slaves increased by at least one thousand percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for approximately 389 thousand slaves. What about the 3.1-4 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them.

The white controlled slave breeding "industry" IN AMERICA created 10 times more blacks than the number that came from Africans who "sold other Africans".
That’s even more of an injustice by both todays standards and yesterday’s . These natural born citizens were stripped of their right to vote and other rights decided by each state for decades which was guaranteed under the constitution Of the US. There was no valid reason to deny black people the right to vote which set up years of discrimination and insured families were in poverty for decades with rights afforded only to white citizens. White citizens who could build wealth on the backs of slaves and hand it down from one generation to another.

This is why we have affirmative action.
 
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I learned about blacks selling blacks in Africa, and blacks owning blacks in America in the 9th grade. It is no secret. Most people don't know that Charleston was a major center for selling Indians and sending them to the sugar islands in the 19th century.

Slavery was cultural and widespread among the indigenous peoples of what is now the American southwest and northwest Mexico.
Apparently you didn't learn this.

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books, 2016

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.” “By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave -Breeding Industry

According to this information , 389,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860, there were four million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860, the number of slaves increased by at least one thousand percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for approximately 389 thousand slaves. What about the 3.1-4 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them.

The white controlled slave breeding "industry" IN AMERICA created 10 times more blacks than the number that came from Africans who "sold other Africans".

And as for blacks owning other blacks...

So what do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves tell us? In 1830, the year most carefully studied by Carter G. Woodson, about 13.7 percent (319,599) of the black population was free. Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people. In his essay, “ ‘The Known World’ of Free Black Slaveholders,” Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson’s statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves; 172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves. Crucially, 42 percent owned just one slave.

It is reasonable to assume that the 42 percent of the free black slave owners who owned just one slave probably owned a family member to protect that person, as did many of the other black slave owners who owned only slightly larger numbers of slaves. As Woodson put it in 1924's Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States in 1830, “The census records show that the majority of the Negro owners of slaves were such from the point of view of philanthropy. In many instances the husband purchased the wife or vice versa … Slaves of Negroes were in some cases the children of a free father who had purchased his wife. If he did not thereafter emancipate the mother, as so many such husbands failed to do, his own children were born his slaves and were thus reported to the numerators.”

Moreover, Woodson explains, “Benevolent Negroes often purchased slaves to make their lot easier by granting them their freedom for a nominal sum, or by permitting them to work it out on liberal terms.” In other words, these black slave-owners, the clear majority, cleverly used the system of slavery to protect their loved ones.



It's easy to say blacks sold other blacks or blacks owned other blacks. But those comments do not tell the truth of how things really happened.
 
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Live Today…… That was then …. Today is now … tomorrow matters to us …. The next Black Flash mob into Kohls is being planned.

worry about today-tomorrow.
You live celebrating the Revolutionary War every year. That was then too..
 
The majority of citizens in Israel want to live peacefully with Palestinians. Palestinians are not the only ones who have been radicalized, there are extremist sects in Israel who are just as much terrorists as Hamas. Netanyahu has them in his government and it is that government that needs to go just a much as Hammas does.
Yes, the majority of Israelis DO want to live peacefully with the Islamic Palestinians. The problem is that the Islamic Palestinians DON'T want to live peacefully with the Israelis. It takes both sides to live in peace, but only one side to live in violence.
 
And for those who want to disingenuously post about blacks fighting for the confederacy, go do some research.

CSA 1ST LOUISIANA NATIVE GUARD (1861-1862)​


Despite the initial enthusiasm of New Orleans’s free men of color for the Confederate cause, both state and national Confederate officials were uncomfortable with the idea of black soldiers within their ranks. The 1st Louisiana Native Guard was never provided uniforms or arms and as a result most of the men used their own resources for both clothing and weapons. In January 1862 the Louisiana State Legislature passed a law that required militia members to be white. On February 16, 1862, the 1st Louisiana Native Guard was disbanded.

Two months later, on April 26, 1862, the U.S. Army and Navy commanders accepted the surrender of New Orleans. Some men of the Guard were approached by Major General Benjamin Franklin Butler to fight against the Confederates. About ten percent of them accepted his offer, and in September 1862 they became the nucleus for the 1st Louisiana Native Guard, USA.

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White jews who are racist is what I am describing. You see an example of it here.
Shut up, IM2. Until you are ready to practice what you preach and apply principles to you and yours, you are hypocritical. I support you where I can, but you are over the border in wonderland.
 
150,000 Jews fought in the Nazi army. Yet when Jews bring up antisemitism or the holocaust we don't see people rushing to remind them how Jews fought with Hitler as if somehow Jews are responsible for the holocaust.

There were over 20,000 Blacks that served as solders in the Confederate Army.

Pisses you off, doesn't it?
 
The partnering of blacks and Europeans in the slave trade had to do with class structure and not race. Well to do blacks had black slaves. AAMOF white slavery was more the norm before slave traders found more furtile African ground to “kidnap their slaves”.

Slavery was a fact of economic development in the US and the only place on earth where slavery was a racial issue and not a class one.

Religion is the biggest culprit in missing the waters in the Middle East. It’s not hard to see how education has helped raise the level of would be slaves into productive workers.

The solution to the Palestinian problem lies first with empowerment of women and education that leads to a productive and valued work force. That’s why Palestinians . when exposed more often prefer democracies.
Truth is there were just as many white, brown and yellow slaves in this country right from its founding. Hell half of the original colony were bond slaves... All white by the way.
 
Shut up, IM2. Until you are ready to practice what you preach and apply principles to you and yours, you are hypocritical. I support you where I can, but you are over the border in wonderland.
I do practice them. And when you stop repeating right wing bullshit that ignores the reaction to that racism is not racism then come talk. Because you're talking out of your --- right now. It's easy to make simple minded comments and false comparisons, what is hard is for people to do the research to come to correct conclusions on complex issues.

You read at least one white Jew here posting racism every day and you have NEVER seen me post anything anti semitic. Furthermore the things Jews call out about blacks are based on how white Jews have treated blacks. White jews used white skin to their advantage just like white ethnic groups did. That's a fact of American history John. And you're stupid enough to ignore that to run your mouth about what blacks need to do.
 
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Truth is there were just as many white, brown and yellow slaves in this country right from its founding. Hell half of the original colony were bond slaves... All white by the way.
No, that's not true.
 
I do practice them. And when you stop repeating right wing bullshit that ignores the reaction to that racism is not racism then come talk. Because you're talking out of your --- right now. It's easy to make simple minded comments and false comparisons, what is hard is for people to do the research to come to correct conclusions on complex issues.

You read at least one white Jew here posting racism every day and you have NEVER seen me post anything anti semitic. Furthermore the things Jews call out about blacks are based on how white Jews have treated blacks. White jews used white skin to their advantage just like white ethnic groups did. That's a fact of American history John. And you're stupid enough to ignore that to run your mouth about what blacks need to do.
You are repeating racist nonsense. You talk out of your butt. Stop it.
 
You are repeating racist nonsense. You talk out of your butt. Stop it.
Show the racism in my comments. Especially since Jews are not a race and:

Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White

In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same classcompeting for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: “My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman.” Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.


Sarah Kendzior, How do you become “white” in America?

Here it is important to understand how, exactly, Americans ‘become white’. The history of Polish-Americans is an illuminating example. Upon arriving in the U.S. en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, Poles endured discrimination based on their appearance, religion and culture. cIn 1903, the New England Magazine decried the Poles’ “expressionless Slavic faces” and “stunted figures” as well as their inherent “ignorance” and “propensity to violence”. Working for terrible wages, Polish workers were renamed things like “Thomas Jefferson” by their bigoted Anglo-Saxon bosses who refused to utter Polish names.

The Poles, in other words, were not considered white. Far from it: they were considered a mysterious menace that should be expelled. When Polish-American Leon Czolgosz killed President William McKinley in 1901, all Poles were deemed See also this article from 1901 on McKinley’s assassination.potential violent anarchists. “All people are mourning, and it is caused by a maniac who is of our nationality,” a Polish-American newspaper wrote, pressured to apologize for their own people. The collective blame of Poles for terrorism bears great similarity to how Muslims (both in the U.S. and Europe) are collectively blamed today.

But then something changed. In 1919, Irish gangs in blackface attacked Polish neighborhoods in Chicago in an attempt to convince Poles, and other Eastern European groups, that they, too, were “white” and should join them in the fight against blacks. As historian David R. Roediger Read Roediger’s entry on race and identity in the Encyclopedia of Chicago.recalls, “Poles argued that the riot was a conflict between blacks and whites, with Poles abstaining because they belonged to neither group.” But the Irish gangs considered whiteness, as is often the case in America, as anti-blackness. And as in the early 20th century Chicago experienced an influx not only of white immigrants from Europe, but blacks from the South, white groups who felt threatened by black arrivals decided that it would be politically advantageous if the Poles were considered white as well.

Over time, the strategy of positioning Poles as “white” against a dark-skinned “other” was successful. Poles came to consider themselves white, and more importantly, they came to be considered white by their fellow Americans, as did Italians, Greeks, Jews, Russians, and others from Southern and Eastern Europe, all of whom held an ambivalent racial status in U.S. society. Also, intermarriage between white ethnic groups led some to embrace a broader white identity.

With that new white identity came the ability to practice the discrimination they had once endured.



Like I said, it's easy to post simple minded comments and make simple minded conclusions. But issues of race are complex and just calling somebody black a racist for pointing out historical fact is ignorant and it needs to stop.
 
Show the racism in my comments. Especially since Jews are not a race and:

Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White

In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same classcompeting for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: “My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman.” Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.


Sarah Kendzior, How do you become “white” in America?

Here it is important to understand how, exactly, Americans ‘become white’. The history of Polish-Americans is an illuminating example. Upon arriving in the U.S. en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, Poles endured discrimination based on their appearance, religion and culture. cIn 1903, the New England Magazine decried the Poles’ “expressionless Slavic faces” and “stunted figures” as well as their inherent “ignorance” and “propensity to violence”. Working for terrible wages, Polish workers were renamed things like “Thomas Jefferson” by their bigoted Anglo-Saxon bosses who refused to utter Polish names.

The Poles, in other words, were not considered white. Far from it: they were considered a mysterious menace that should be expelled. When Polish-American Leon Czolgosz killed President William McKinley in 1901, all Poles were deemed See also this article from 1901 on McKinley’s assassination.potential violent anarchists. “All people are mourning, and it is caused by a maniac who is of our nationality,” a Polish-American newspaper wrote, pressured to apologize for their own people. The collective blame of Poles for terrorism bears great similarity to how Muslims (both in the U.S. and Europe) are collectively blamed today.

But then something changed. In 1919, Irish gangs in blackface attacked Polish neighborhoods in Chicago in an attempt to convince Poles, and other Eastern European groups, that they, too, were “white” and should join them in the fight against blacks. As historian David R. Roediger Read Roediger’s entry on race and identity in the Encyclopedia of Chicago.recalls, “Poles argued that the riot was a conflict between blacks and whites, with Poles abstaining because they belonged to neither group.” But the Irish gangs considered whiteness, as is often the case in America, as anti-blackness. And as in the early 20th century Chicago experienced an influx not only of white immigrants from Europe, but blacks from the South, white groups who felt threatened by black arrivals decided that it would be politically advantageous if the Poles were considered white as well.

Over time, the strategy of positioning Poles as “white” against a dark-skinned “other” was successful. Poles came to consider themselves white, and more importantly, they came to be considered white by their fellow Americans, as did Italians, Greeks, Jews, Russians, and others from Southern and Eastern Europe, all of whom held an ambivalent racial status in U.S. society. Also, intermarriage between white ethnic groups led some to embrace a broader white identity.

With that new white identity came the ability to practice the discrimination they had once endured.



Like I said, it's easy to post simple minded comments and make simple minded conclusions. But issues of race are complex and just calling somebody black a racist for pointing out historical fact is ignorant and it needs to stop.
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Truth is there were just as many white, brown and yellow slaves in this country right from its founding. Hell half of the original colony were bond slaves... All white by the way.
Bullshit there were. 4 million African American by 1860.
 
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