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We aren't even going to last as long as the Roman empire

AzogtheDefiler

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.
That we're doomed to collapse.

And 'censoring opposing views in the media'? You get that Rome was overwhelming a dictatorship. There was no such thing as 'free press'. And if you opposed the emperor's view, you would frequently be killed, exiled or mutilated.

Nor was Rome's longevity associated with a 'free press'. There was never any such thing.
Read up on it. Rome was quite progressive.


Dictatorships don't respect freedom of the press, Azog. They never have. And if someone defied the Emperor, they paid for it with their lives.
We don't have a lot of freedoms left here. People are digging up tweets from 10 years ago to punish people today. One cannot even say the support Donald Trump publicly in many places and continue to keep their job. Freedoms are waning.

You have tons of freedoms here. Freedom from government interference. What you DON'T have nor have ever had....is freedom from consequence for the stupid shit you say and do.

And that's what conservatives are lamenting about: they want to be free from any consequence.

That's not how life works, my friend.
Actually, no. "Stupid Shit" is subjective.
That's exactly it. Stupid shit is subjective. We each have the freedom to determine for ourselves if someone else is guilty of 'stupid shit'.

And if enough people think you did something stupid.......you face consequences. If you use the n-word, or are blatantly racist, or tell people to kill themselves (Chissy Teigan anyone?), then folks aren't going to want to deal with you.

What 'freedom' is denied you under such an arrangement? Freeedom from consequence is not one you've ever had.


Saying one supports Donald Trump or one believes BLM is a terror organization is not "stupid shit".
I refer to you AzogtheDefiler: "Stupid Shit" is subjective.

Unless you're arguing that YOU get to decide what is subjective for everyone......you just toasted your own argument
Right. So to me there aren't any swear words or racist words. To me that is not "Stupid Shit" but yes that is my opinion. So you consider someone saying they support Donald Trump or Joe Biden to be a critical offense that may cause them to get fired? Really? Honest question.

Me personally? Of course not.

But as you said, stupid shit is subjective. Someone else might disagree. I've met folks that feel that being gay or supporting a woman's right to choose is grounds for firing.

I wouldn't support that either. But obviously, I don't speak for everyone.
Right so you agree with me that those people are extremists but yet they have significant influence. Especially those that lean left.
I agree that stupid shit is subjective. And if enough people think you've done stupid shit, there are consequences. They won't want to associate with you, hire you, or do business with you.

Remember when you guys were threatening boycotts of the NFL because you didn't like the protests? Or calling for boycotts of Coca-Cola because you didn't like the CEO's politics? Or boycotts of Target because of the policies regarding transgender women using the bathroom?

I thought those were just silly. But it fired you guys up. And y'all tried to impose consequences by not associating with the 'violators' of your subjective 'stupid shit'.

None of which has a thing to do with your 'rights' or 'freedom'. As there's no such thing as freedom from consequence.
There is no “you guys”. I am an Independent voter. Everything I have stated here, Bill Maher agrees with as does Charles Barkley. Are they part of “you guys”. One or two people get offended on the Internet and corporations get scared and acquiesce. To me that is pure insanity. Boycotts in general are not useful and create more harm than good.
 

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What would make you think that a modern nation would last as long as Rome? Back then, it took months to travel the same distance I can travel in a few hours today.

The world moves faster than ever and everything in it does as well. This, however, is not the end of anything though - the idea that things are worse now than they have ever been is just ignoring history. There was a time when we were suspending entire populations in this nation of all their rights for nothing more than fear. We have it pretty fucking good even if there are insane elements in our culture. We have always had insane people, they just have a much broader reach now.

I think I disagree.
For example, the US has about the largest % incarcerated in the entire world.
That is almost entirely due to the War on Drugs, based on irrational fear.
The US just illegally murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghans, based on irrational fear.

The media has gotten even better at creating, promoting, and motivating fear.
I don't think we have it that good any more, with home ownership dropping so fast that it shows we are regressing into an almost slave labor like work force.
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.

But the Roman empire was evil,

It was what?

based on greed, slavery, imperialism, colonialism, terrorism, murder, racism, religious fanaticism, militarism, and all sorts of bad things.

It was based on peace - and also on bread and games. Who behaved bad aginats a slave was called to be a barbar. Racism? In Rome? Rome was in all questions of polytheism very tolerant - and it had only 1 soldier (=policeman) per 100,000 inhabitants. And I fear in Rome existed "bad things" which names you never had heard in your 20 lifes.

The only good thing to say about Rome is that for a very short time then claimed to understand the good points of a republic, that only lasted about 400 years, from 509 BC, to 27 BC.

"Only" 400 years?

And they never made rights universal, so even that was corrupt.

Only in Rome existed legal certainty. A law had to be written down.

But at no time in Rome did anyone care what anyone else thought or felt.

Interesting that you use "Rome" here as a variable for every society and nation of the world - but nevertheless everywhere some take care.

It was an extremely narcissistic society.

The "USA first" - Donald Trump - is an extremely narcissistic society. And much younger than 400 years.

Rome was good at technology though, like weapons, military strategy, etc.

Some kings gave their empires for nothing to the Romans, because this meant for the own people to be able to live in peace within the Roman empire.


The Roman Empire was evil because it has no moral compass, its laws were not based on anything real, like the concept of inherent rights.
It was based entirely on greed, and that allowed for no end of abuses and excesses.
Rome was the opposite of peace.
Pax Romana was not the prosperity of being free, but the corrupt profits of a few based on the total subjugation of the vast majority.
While it is true there was a wide variety of racial and ethnic composition to Roman society, the existence of 5 distinct classes of Roman citizenship shows an arbitrary disregard for anything being inherent, and instead rights were arbitrarily based on wealth.
The free bread came from slave labor. The circuses came from slave gladiators. The wealth came from invasion, oppression, and theft.

But I will grant that Rome was about the first to make captives feel they had some sort of opportunity to advance in Roman society, in comparison with other societies, where rebellion was your only option.

Starting in 1776, the US is 246 years old, which is not far off of 400,
Unions are almost a thing of history, so slavery has returned.
Homelessness has greatly increased.
The incarceration rate is higher than ever, and the war on drugs, federal gun control, etc., are totally illegal.
Most people can no longer afford college.
Etc.
Just like Rome, we are becoming based on wealth and privilege instead of rights.
 

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The US will fail because we let all these filthy ass third worlders flood into our country since Jimmy Carter changed the immigration policies to favor Black and Brown assholes instead of White Europeans. With them and the damn Illegals now we are on a path to be being a Socialist shithole and that is the end of the US.

The Democrats have figured out how to steal elections and the flood gate for millions more welfare Illegals are flooding in and we are screwed. The US experiment is pretty much over now. We are fucked.
When are you leaving?
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.

But the Roman empire was evil,

It was what?

based on greed, slavery, imperialism, colonialism, terrorism, murder, racism, religious fanaticism, militarism, and all sorts of bad things.

It was based on peace - and also on bread and games. Who behaved bad aginats a slave was called to be a barbar. Racism? In Rome? Rome was in all questions of polytheism very tolerant - and it had only 1 soldier (=policeman) per 100,000 inhabitants. And I fear in Rome existed "bad things" which names you never had heard in your 20 lifes.

The only good thing to say about Rome is that for a very short time then claimed to understand the good points of a republic, that only lasted about 400 years, from 509 BC, to 27 BC.

"Only" 400 years?

And they never made rights universal, so even that was corrupt.

Only in Rome existed legal certainty. A law had to be written down.

But at no time in Rome did anyone care what anyone else thought or felt.

Interesting that you use "Rome" here as a variable for every society and nation of the world - but nevertheless everywhere some take care.

It was an extremely narcissistic society.

The "USA first" - Donald Trump - is an extremely narcissistic society. And much younger than 400 years.

Rome was good at technology though, like weapons, military strategy, etc.

Some kings gave their empires for nothing to the Romans, because this meant for the own people to be able to live in peace within the Roman empire.


The Roman Empire was evil because it has no moral compass, its laws were not based on anything real, like the concept of inherent rights.
It was based entirely on greed, and that allowed for no end of abuses and excesses.
Rome was the opposite of peace.
Pax Romana was not the prosperity of being free, but the corrupt profits of a few based on the total subjugation of the vast majority.
While it is true there was a wide variety of racial and ethnic composition to Roman society, the existence of 5 distinct classes of Roman citizenship shows an arbitrary disregard for anything being inherent, and instead rights were arbitrarily based on wealth.
The free bread came from slave labor. The circuses came from slave gladiators. The wealth came from invasion, oppression, and theft.

But I will grant that Rome was about the first to make captives feel they had some sort of opportunity to advance in Roman society, in comparison with other societies, where rebellion was your only option.

Starting in 1776, the US is 246 years old, which is not far off of 400,
Unions are almost a thing of history, so slavery has returned.
Homelessness has greatly increased.
The incarceration rate is higher than ever, and the war on drugs, federal gun control, etc., are totally illegal.
Most people can no longer afford college.
Etc.
Just like Rome, we are becoming based on wealth and privilege instead of rights.
Before we continue do you agree or disagree that "evil" is subjective? Also 154 years is pretty significant. Do you believe the US is significantly different from where it was in the 1860s? Come on now.
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.

But the Roman empire was evil,

It was what?

based on greed, slavery, imperialism, colonialism, terrorism, murder, racism, religious fanaticism, militarism, and all sorts of bad things.

It was based on peace - and also on bread and games. Who behaved bad aginats a slave was called to be a barbar. Racism? In Rome? Rome was in all questions of polytheism very tolerant - and it had only 1 soldier (=policeman) per 100,000 inhabitants. And I fear in Rome existed "bad things" which names you never had heard in your 20 lifes.

The only good thing to say about Rome is that for a very short time then claimed to understand the good points of a republic, that only lasted about 400 years, from 509 BC, to 27 BC.

"Only" 400 years?

And they never made rights universal, so even that was corrupt.

Only in Rome existed legal certainty. A law had to be written down.

But at no time in Rome did anyone care what anyone else thought or felt.

Interesting that you use "Rome" here as a variable for every society and nation of the world - but nevertheless everywhere some take care.

It was an extremely narcissistic society.

The "USA first" - Donald Trump - is an extremely narcissistic society. And much younger than 400 years.

Rome was good at technology though, like weapons, military strategy, etc.

Some kings gave their empires for nothing to the Romans, because this meant for the own people to be able to live in peace within the Roman empire.


The Roman Empire was evil because it has no moral compass, its laws were not based on anything real, like the concept of inherent rights.
It was based entirely on greed, and that allowed for no end of abuses and excesses.
Rome was the opposite of peace.
Pax Romana was not the prosperity of being free, but the corrupt profits of a few based on the total subjugation of the vast majority.
Strange ideas.
While it is true there was a wide variety of racial and ethnic composition to Roman society, the existence of 5 distinct classes of Roman citizenship shows an arbitrary disregard for anything being inherent, and instead rights were arbitrarily based on wealth.
The free bread came from slave labor. The circuses came from slave gladiators. The wealth came from invasion, oppression, and theft.

But I will grant that Rome was about the first to make captives feel they had some sort of opportunity to advance in Roman society, in comparison with other societies, where rebellion was your only option.

Starting in 1776, the US is 246 years old, which is not far off of 400,

62.5 cent is not far from a dollar?

Unions are almost a thing of history, so slavery has returned.

Slavery is not slavery. Rom existed in a world where slavery was normal. The slaves of the Romans were members of the Roman society. The slaves of the USA were isolated workers brandmarked with a black African skin.

Homelessness has greatly increased.
The incarceration rate is higher than ever, and the war on drugs, federal gun control, etc., are totally illegal.
Most people can no longer afford college.
Etc.
Just like Rome, we are becoming based on wealth and privilege instead of rights.
 

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What would make you think that a modern nation would last as long as Rome? Back then, it took months to travel the same distance I can travel in a few hours today.

The world moves faster than ever and everything in it does as well. This, however, is not the end of anything though - the idea that things are worse now than they have ever been is just ignoring history. There was a time when we were suspending entire populations in this nation of all their rights for nothing more than fear. We have it pretty fucking good even if there are insane elements in our culture. We have always had insane people, they just have a much broader reach now.

I think I disagree.
For example, the US has about the largest % incarcerated in the entire world.
That is almost entirely due to the War on Drugs, based on irrational fear.
The US just illegally murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghans, based on irrational fear.

The media has gotten even better at creating, promoting, and motivating fear.
I don't think we have it that good any more, with home ownership dropping so fast that it shows we are regressing into an almost slave labor like work force.
The facts state otherwise. Human history is fraught with an insane amount of suffering. I sit here on my ass conversing with people on a message board wasting time that would have been spent in the past working my ass off just hoping that I would be able to eat. I have not one single iota of fear that I will be robbed, assaulted or even have someone yell an obscenity at me today. I have never, even during a short stint where I was homeless, been in a situation where my family or I have had to go even a single day without food or clean water. I know that should I fall ill with some horrible illness I will be cared for, no matter what. There has never been a day where I did not have access to some form of leisure activity. If my house disappeared in a fire tomorrow I know that I would still be able to go somewhere with a roof over my head and a hot meal in my belly and even have a TV to zone out on. The VAST majority of people have never had anywhere near this level of comfort.

That you do not think 'we have it good' is simply a matter of perspective. We have is so damn good that we have the time and energy to get upset at garbage the media tells us that will have literally zero effect on our lives. When you can afford that kind of worry it is a clear indication that you have things pretty damn good.
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?

So more of these collapse of America fantasies?

Old republicans are increasing nihilistic, taking a 'watch the world burn' approach to our nation. This is why I don't vote for them; why would you want people in government who are convinced your nation is doomed?
They've been whining about the end of America like the end of the Roman Empire as long as I can remember.....................
And imo it is interesting whether the Founders ever intended the US to be, at least in some ways, an Empire
 

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I'm curious as to when, and from which party, we elect a modern day Caligula.
The Biden administration is already locking up political enemies without bail and putting them on trial. Also trying to get friends and family to report each other for suspicious activity. Seriously, who defines suspicious? To the left praying daily while owning guns is suspicious. To the right putting up with people like Omar is suspicious. It's an asinine circle jerk of fools. Biden is trying to create the "Minority Report" movie in real life.

Beyond this, the ultimate goal of defunding police is to abolish local police and replace them with a Federal police force.
Combine this with what you said, and we will be totally cooked!
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.
That we're doomed to collapse.

And 'censoring opposing views in the media'? You get that Rome was overwhelming a dictatorship. There was no such thing as 'free press'. And if you opposed the emperor's view, you would frequently be killed, exiled or mutilated.

Nor was Rome's longevity associated with a 'free press'. There was never any such thing.
Read up on it. Rome was quite progressive.


Dictatorships don't respect freedom of the press, Azog. They never have. And if someone defied the Emperor, they paid for it with their lives.
We don't have a lot of freedoms left here. People are digging up tweets from 10 years ago to punish people today. One cannot even say the support Donald Trump publicly in many places and continue to keep their job. Freedoms are waning.

You have tons of freedoms here. Freedom from government interference. What you DON'T have nor have ever had....is freedom from consequence for the stupid shit you say and do.

And that's what conservatives are lamenting about: they want to be free from any consequence.

That's not how life works, my friend.
Actually, no. "Stupid Shit" is subjective. Saying one supports Donald Trump or one believes BLM is a terror organization is not "stupid shit". Meanwhile Ilhan Omar may say that Israel hypnotized the world and compare Israel to Hamas with zero repercussions because she is on the left. Hunter Biden may say racist stuff on Twitter but if it were Trump Jr. he would be vilified. Let's not pretend that the cancel culture doesn't lean 95% one way. Thankfully persons like Charles Barkley, Kevin Hart, Gina Carano and Bill Maher are standing up to it, among many others.

I should be allowed to say I support Donald Trump or I support Joe Biden without fear of losing my job. Fair?
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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.
That we're doomed to collapse.

And 'censoring opposing views in the media'? You get that Rome was overwhelming a dictatorship. There was no such thing as 'free press'. And if you opposed the emperor's view, you would frequently be killed, exiled or mutilated.

Nor was Rome's longevity associated with a 'free press'. There was never any such thing.
Read up on it. Rome was quite progressive.


Dictatorships don't respect freedom of the press, Azog. They never have. And if someone defied the Emperor, they paid for it with their lives.
We don't have a lot of freedoms left here. People are digging up tweets from 10 years ago to punish people today. One cannot even say the support Donald Trump publicly in many places and continue to keep their job. Freedoms are waning.

You have tons of freedoms here. Freedom from government interference. What you DON'T have nor have ever had....is freedom from consequence for the stupid shit you say and do.

And that's what conservatives are lamenting about: they want to be free from any consequence.

That's not how life works, my friend.
Actually, no. "Stupid Shit" is subjective. Saying one supports Donald Trump or one believes BLM is a terror organization is not "stupid shit". Meanwhile Ilhan Omar may say that Israel hypnotized the world and compare Israel to Hamas with zero repercussions because she is on the left. Hunter Biden may say racist stuff on Twitter but if it were Trump Jr. he would be vilified. Let's not pretend that the cancel culture doesn't lean 95% one way. Thankfully persons like Charles Barkley, Kevin Hart, Gina Carano and Bill Maher are standing up to it, among many others.

I should be allowed to say I support Donald Trump or I support Joe Biden without fear of losing my job. Fair?
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Thank you for your racist post, you keep proving to be a useless parasite.
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.
That we're doomed to collapse.

And 'censoring opposing views in the media'? You get that Rome was overwhelming a dictatorship. There was no such thing as 'free press'. And if you opposed the emperor's view, you would frequently be killed, exiled or mutilated.

Nor was Rome's longevity associated with a 'free press'. There was never any such thing.
Read up on it. Rome was quite progressive.


Dictatorships don't respect freedom of the press, Azog. They never have. And if someone defied the Emperor, they paid for it with their lives.
We don't have a lot of freedoms left here. People are digging up tweets from 10 years ago to punish people today. One cannot even say the support Donald Trump publicly in many places and continue to keep their job. Freedoms are waning.

You have tons of freedoms here. Freedom from government interference. What you DON'T have nor have ever had....is freedom from consequence for the stupid shit you say and do.

And that's what conservatives are lamenting about: they want to be free from any consequence.

That's not how life works, my friend.
Actually, no. "Stupid Shit" is subjective. Saying one supports Donald Trump or one believes BLM is a terror organization is not "stupid shit". Meanwhile Ilhan Omar may say that Israel hypnotized the world and compare Israel to Hamas with zero repercussions because she is on the left. Hunter Biden may say racist stuff on Twitter but if it were Trump Jr. he would be vilified. Let's not pretend that the cancel culture doesn't lean 95% one way. Thankfully persons like Charles Barkley, Kevin Hart, Gina Carano and Bill Maher are standing up to it, among many others.

I should be allowed to say I support Donald Trump or I support Joe Biden without fear of losing my job. Fair?
l96cqzp0nt571.jpg
Thank you for your racist post, you keep proving to be a useless parasite.
its just fox news if they were around in 1963.
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.
That we're doomed to collapse.

And 'censoring opposing views in the media'? You get that Rome was overwhelming a dictatorship. There was no such thing as 'free press'. And if you opposed the emperor's view, you would frequently be killed, exiled or mutilated.

Nor was Rome's longevity associated with a 'free press'. There was never any such thing.
Read up on it. Rome was quite progressive.


Dictatorships don't respect freedom of the press, Azog. They never have. And if someone defied the Emperor, they paid for it with their lives.
We don't have a lot of freedoms left here. People are digging up tweets from 10 years ago to punish people today. One cannot even say the support Donald Trump publicly in many places and continue to keep their job. Freedoms are waning.

You have tons of freedoms here. Freedom from government interference. What you DON'T have nor have ever had....is freedom from consequence for the stupid shit you say and do.

And that's what conservatives are lamenting about: they want to be free from any consequence.

That's not how life works, my friend.
Actually, no. "Stupid Shit" is subjective. Saying one supports Donald Trump or one believes BLM is a terror organization is not "stupid shit". Meanwhile Ilhan Omar may say that Israel hypnotized the world and compare Israel to Hamas with zero repercussions because she is on the left. Hunter Biden may say racist stuff on Twitter but if it were Trump Jr. he would be vilified. Let's not pretend that the cancel culture doesn't lean 95% one way. Thankfully persons like Charles Barkley, Kevin Hart, Gina Carano and Bill Maher are standing up to it, among many others.

I should be allowed to say I support Donald Trump or I support Joe Biden without fear of losing my job. Fair?
l96cqzp0nt571.jpg
Thank you for your racist post, you keep proving to be a useless parasite.
its just fox news if they were around in 1963.
No. That is your opinion of Fox News if they were around in 1963 because you are a divisive and terrible person.
 

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They made it 1000 years. We're not even to a quarter of that yet and the wedge issues are becoming so wide that bridging them may become impossible. And sadly those wedge issues are comprised of mostly morality issues.
With so many convincing themselves that something as simple as BIOLOGY is up for debate how do you negotiate with such ignorance?
Hate crimes, a ridiculous term imo, are on the rise DRAMATICALLY but not in the manner that the elites and media portray.
Boys are coddled as girls & vice versa instead of their mental illness being treated.
Crimes are going unpunished for one segment of society in the name of social justice. Adults are having their lives wrecked for shit they said as a child.
Young adults are being taught that capitalism & being white is a bad thing.
The list goes on and on.
How do we ever recover from this lunacy, or can we?
You are correct. Leftists want Socialism and Socialism kills countries. Rome's biggest issue was multiculturalism. Doesn't work. Not the SAME as racism. Don't care what color you are or race you are but we all need to embrace American values of burgers, football, democracy, etc. If you start imposing crap like socialism, sharia, etc. in pockets and it spreads the country dies.

Another member of 'we're completely fucked and about to collapse' club.

But why would EVER want people like this in leadership roles? Why would we ever want them as part of our government? Nihillism make be the beating heart of the GOP, but its nothing to build a nation around.
What specifically did you disagree with in my post? Learn history. Multiculturalism crushed the Roman Empire. And yeah if we keep censoring opposing views in the media, both traditional and social and allow a tiny minority to control the narrative of the majority because the majority fears that it may offend someone and lose their livelihood then yes, a nation can collapse.
That we're doomed to collapse.

And 'censoring opposing views in the media'? You get that Rome was overwhelming a dictatorship. There was no such thing as 'free press'. And if you opposed the emperor's view, you would frequently be killed, exiled or mutilated.

Nor was Rome's longevity associated with a 'free press'. There was never any such thing.
Read up on it. Rome was quite progressive.


Dictatorships don't respect freedom of the press, Azog. They never have. And if someone defied the Emperor, they paid for it with their lives.
We don't have a lot of freedoms left here. People are digging up tweets from 10 years ago to punish people today. One cannot even say the support Donald Trump publicly in many places and continue to keep their job. Freedoms are waning.

You have tons of freedoms here. Freedom from government interference. What you DON'T have nor have ever had....is freedom from consequence for the stupid shit you say and do.

And that's what conservatives are lamenting about: they want to be free from any consequence.

That's not how life works, my friend.
Actually, no. "Stupid Shit" is subjective.
That's exactly it. Stupid shit is subjective. We each have the freedom to determine for ourselves if someone else is guilty of 'stupid shit'.

And if enough people think you did something stupid.......you face consequences. If you use the n-word, or are blatantly racist, or tell people to kill themselves (Chissy Teigan anyone?), then folks aren't going to want to deal with you.

What 'freedom' is denied you under such an arrangement? Freeedom from consequence is not one you've ever had.


Saying one supports Donald Trump or one believes BLM is a terror organization is not "stupid shit".
I refer to you AzogtheDefiler: "Stupid Shit" is subjective.

Unless you're arguing that YOU get to decide what is subjective for everyone......you just toasted your own argument
Right. So to me there aren't any swear words or racist words. To me that is not "Stupid Shit" but yes that is my opinion. So you consider someone saying they support Donald Trump or Joe Biden to be a critical offense that may cause them to get fired? Really? Honest question.

Me personally? Of course not.

But as you said, stupid shit is subjective. Someone else might disagree. I've met folks that feel that being gay or supporting a woman's right to choose is grounds for firing.

I wouldn't support that either. But obviously, I don't speak for everyone.
Right so you agree with me that those people are extremists but yet they have significant influence. Especially those that lean left.
I agree that stupid shit is subjective. And if enough people think you've done stupid shit, there are consequences. They won't want to associate with you, hire you, or do business with you.

Remember when you guys were threatening boycotts of the NFL because you didn't like the protests? Or calling for boycotts of Coca-Cola because you didn't like the CEO's politics? Or boycotts of Target because of the policies regarding transgender women using the bathroom?

I thought those were just silly. But it fired you guys up. And y'all tried to impose consequences by not associating with the 'violators' of your subjective 'stupid shit'.

None of which has a thing to do with your 'rights' or 'freedom'. As there's no such thing as freedom from consequence.
There is no “you guys”. I am an Independent voter. Everything I have stated here, Bill Maher agrees with as does Charles Barkley. Are they part of “you guys”. One or two people get offended on the Internet and corporations get scared and acquiesce. To me that is pure insanity. Boycotts in general are not useful and create more harm than good.

Fair enough. My point is that 'cancel culture' is nothing more than people's subjective recognition of 'stupid shit'. My 'stupid shit' threshold may be higher than some. But its not a liberal, moderate or conservative thing.....its a customization thing. It has more to do with the ipod than anything else....where people want to moderate the content of their lives to suit their preferences.

It has nothing to do with your 'freedom'. As there is no freedom from consequence.
 

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The Romans ruled England for longer than the U.S. has been existence but the Romans were murderous thugs and the U.S. invented the concept of government by the people that revolutionized the world. You can play around with time and geography if it makes you happy but it's mostly a useless exercise.
 

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