We are literally living Atlas Shrugged

[mamooth]

Fascinating, the Randroid sheep. All of their policies fail catastrophically whenever and wherever implemented, but it doesn't phase them at all. In a manner similar the hardcore communists, their ideological brethren, they simple sniff that the policy wasn't implemented purely enough. Both TrueCommunism and TrueRandism can never fail, they can only be failed, by definition.

But then, every Randroid is also a gibbering deep state conspiracy bedwetter, so such failure-worship is expected. Retards can't confine their retardation to one area; they're always full-spectrum retards.

 

[bripat9643]

Fascinating, the Randroid sheep. All of their policies fail catastrophically whenever and wherever implemented, but it doesn't phase them at all. In a manner similar the hardcore communists, their ideological brethren, they simple sniff that the policy wasn't implemented purely enough. Both TrueCommunism and TrueRandism can never fail, they can only be failed, by definition.

But then, every Randroid is also a gibbering deep state conspiracy bedwetter, so such failure-worship is expected. Retards can't confine their retardation to one area; they're always full-spectrum retards.

What libertarian policies have failed? What conspiracy theories do libertarians subscribe to?

 

[mamooth]

What libertarian policies have failed? What conspiracy theories do libertarians subscribe to?

The most obvious one is supply-side economics. Failed utterly under Reagan, Bush and now failing under Trump, but the Randians still BELIEVE. The worst Democratic presidents run stronger economies than the best Republicans. Jimmy Carter has a better job creation record than Ronald Reagan.

 

[bripat9643]

What libertarian policies have failed? What conspiracy theories do libertarians subscribe to?

The most obvious one is supply-side economics. Failed utterly under Reagan, Bush and now failing under Trump, but the Randians still BELIEVE. The worst Democratic presidents run stronger economies than the best Republicans. Jimmy Carter has a better job creation record than Ronald Reagan.

The term "supply side" is just a leftwing euphemism meaning "the free market." It has never failed. Every material thing you enjoy today is the result of the free market.

The economy grew at an astounding rate under Reagan, so I don't know how you can claim it failed. Of course, Bush was a tax and spend establishment RINO. That's why leftwing douchebags always lump him in with Reagan, so they can blame the failure of their polices on him.

Jimmy Carter:

Unemployment: 7.2%
Inflation rate: 13.5 %
Interest rates: 18%

Yeah, great record.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

The term "supply side" is just a leftwing euphemism meaning "the free market."

Jesus fucking Christ, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[bripat9643]

The term "supply side" is just a leftwing euphemism meaning "the free market."

Jesus fucking Christ, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't swallow snowflake propaganda, you mean.

 

[Natural Citizen]

What libertarian policies have failed? What conspiracy theories do libertarians subscribe to?

The most obvious one is supply-side economics. Failed utterly under Reagan, Bush and now failing under Trump, but the Randians still BELIEVE. The worst Democratic presidents run stronger economies than the best Republicans. Jimmy Carter has a better job creation record than Ronald Reagan.

Supply-side economics is just another way of saying trickle down economics. It's patently anti-libertarian.

Though, I'm a rather strict libertarian, I left libertarianism as a political movement. I came to detest the ancaps, monarchists, anarchists, etc, that tend to congregate under the tent.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The term "supply side" is just a leftwing euphemism meaning "the free market." It has never failed.

We don't have free markets. We have economic interventionism by the government. We have central economic planning by a central bank. We have inflationism. We have a belief in deficit financing. We have a welfare state.

Our monetary policy is a socialis monopoly . It's so far removed from free-market capitalism that it's laughable to call it free-market capitalism.

What we have is Keynesianism.

We haven't had free-markets since before 1913, the year we got the 16th Amendment, the Federal Reserve, and its collection wing, the IRS.

 

[Vastator]

The term "supply side" is just a leftwing euphemism meaning "the free market." It has never failed.

We don't have free markets. We have economic interventionism by the government. We have central economic planning by a central bank. We have inflationism. We have a belief in deficit financing. We have a welfare state.

Our monetary policy is a socialis monopoly . It's so far removed from free-market capitalism that it's laughable to call it free-market capitalism.

What we have is Keynesianism.

We haven't had free-markets since before 1913, the year we got the 16th Amendment, the Federal Reserve, and its collection wing, the IRS.

What we have is a near carbon copy of the Roman empires economy. Just prior to its ultimate collapse...

 

[dudmuck]

Ever notice that everything for the "public good" always ends with more power for the government and more capability for their intrusion into the lives of citizens? Ayn Rand saw it coming.

Unbreakable encryption poses a threat to public safety that only legislation may be able to address, according to Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein. Strong encryption on smartphones that can't be cracked may call for laws restricting its use, Rosenstein said at a security conference in Utah.

No. Not it doesn't. At all. It doesn't even remotely pose a "threat" to public safety. Quite the contrary, it protects the public.

Legislation on encryption ‘may be necessary,’ deputy attorney general warns

Was thinking of Ayn Rand yesterday when the left started to go after Jeff Bezos and Amazon. THAT is a chilling Atlas Shrugged moment. Because Bezos has bailed out the WashPo and other large newspapers and essentially uses them as "political action committees" in support of the resistance. He could afford the torch the WashPo and earn enough money the next day to make it back.

That's exactly what the industry leaders learned in Atlas Shrugged when they played nice to the little weasel bureaucrats with the power to TAKE everything that they had created.

Can't trust Swamp Weasels. And yes -- Ayn Rand understood all that from the days when the Communist parties weasels took her Dad's pharmacy in Russia and proceeded to run it into the ground. She KNEW how this works.

The russians went from taking daddys apteka to taking the US president and proceed to run country into the ground.

 

[bripat9643]

The term "supply side" is just a leftwing euphemism meaning "the free market." It has never failed.

We don't have free markets. We have economic interventionism by the government. We have central economic planning by a central bank. We have inflationism. We have a belief in deficit financing. We have a welfare state.

Our monetary policy is a socialis monopoly . It's so far removed from free-market capitalism that it's laughable to call it free-market capitalism.

What we have is Keynesianism.

We haven't had free-markets since before 1913, the year we got the 16th Amendment, the Federal Reserve, and its collection wing, the IRS.

I'm not claiming we have free markets, but any move we make towards more free markets the snowflakes label "supply side economics."

 

[sparky]

Tell me how the two parties are different? Pick a topic, any topic, and if you look at the reality, it’s usually just rhetoric that is different, the dicking we take is always the same

Absolutely....
We're a top heavy one party society, foisting idealism in the guise of a two party system

Yes...the topic was “Atlas Shrugged”. Which illustrates how societies collapse under idiotic left-wing (power-hungry) policy.

By subscribing to the polar opposite extreemism , every bit a recipee for failure as well....

It's not wiretapping. It's Domestic Surveillance. And BOTH PARTIES LOVE IT. Even the folks who ENDED Domestic spy operations in the 1970s because it was being abused. The Patriot Act keeps getting STRONGER and restrictions are constantly rejected by WIDE voting margins.

That sound of jackboots we're hearing keeps getting louder, but so few realize the isdious nature of fascism , and there's so few 100yr old Germans to ask anymore

You a literary critic? Have any idea what her life experiences were? She's almost sold as many books as the Bible. Must be some redeeming factors in her work.

Ironically Rand herself failed to follow her own altruistic demands>

Spoiler: Ann on the dole

In 2011, news broke that notorious libertarian/objectivist Ayn Rand had accepted Social Security and Medicare in the 1970s after she was diagnosed with lung cancer (unsurprisingly she was a cigarette-cancer connection denier). Among liberal circles, a lot of attention was paid to the hypocrisy angle of all this (and much more to taking SS cheques than enrolling in Medicare). A person who spent her life railing against collectivism and dependency accepting the benefits of the very programs her beliefs called "evil."

How did you get so screwed up in life? Did you become an ayn rand wanna be? You do know she rejected all of her ultra conservative ideas before she died.

Hypocrisy isn't the important thing here. Ideological failure is.

The most obvious one is supply-side economics. Failed utterly under Reagan, Bush and now failing under Trump, but the Randians still BELIEVE.

Though, I'm a rather strict libertarian, I left libertarianism as a political movement. I came to detest the ancaps, monarchists, anarchists, etc, that tend to congregate under the tent.

Another ideal polluted by extreemism
sad that.....

We haven't had free-markets since before 1913, the year we got the 16th Amendment, the Federal Reserve, and its collection wing, the IRS.

What we have is a near carbon copy of the Roman empires economy. Just prior to its ultimate collapse

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'm not claiming we have free markets, but any move we make towards more free markets the snowflakes label "supply side economics."

Yeah. I know you weren't. I wasn't directing my thought on it toward you. It's just that your posting reminded of it. Most of what I pop off about on here is just for the benefit of some casual passer-by who might stumble across this stuff some day. The reality of our economic policy just needs to be said. And somebody has to tell it like it is. Ya know?

 

[flacaltenn]

Ever notice that everything for the "public good" always ends with more power for the government and more capability for their intrusion into the lives of citizens? Ayn Rand saw it coming.

Unbreakable encryption poses a threat to public safety that only legislation may be able to address, according to Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein. Strong encryption on smartphones that can't be cracked may call for laws restricting its use, Rosenstein said at a security conference in Utah.

No. Not it doesn't. At all. It doesn't even remotely pose a "threat" to public safety. Quite the contrary, it protects the public.

Legislation on encryption ‘may be necessary,’ deputy attorney general warns

Was thinking of Ayn Rand yesterday when the left started to go after Jeff Bezos and Amazon. THAT is a chilling Atlas Shrugged moment. Because Bezos has bailed out the WashPo and other large newspapers and essentially uses them as "political action committees" in support of the resistance. He could afford the torch the WashPo and earn enough money the next day to make it back.

That's exactly what the industry leaders learned in Atlas Shrugged when they played nice to the little weasel bureaucrats with the power to TAKE everything that they had created.

Can't trust Swamp Weasels. And yes -- Ayn Rand understood all that from the days when the Communist parties weasels took her Dad's pharmacy in Russia and proceeded to run it into the ground. She KNEW how this works.

The russians went from taking daddys apteka to taking the US president and proceed to run country into the ground.

You live in cartoon fantasy world Elmer.. Don't think you even ponder the difference between ACTUAL tyranny and losing an election. It would be funny if anyone thought you were being sarcastic. But instead, it's just sad.

 

[g5000]

Ever notice that everything for the "public good" always ends with more power for the government and more capability for their intrusion into the lives of citizens? Ayn Rand saw it coming.

Unbreakable encryption poses a threat to public safety that only legislation may be able to address, according to Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein. Strong encryption on smartphones that can't be cracked may call for laws restricting its use, Rosenstein said at a security conference in Utah.

No. Not it doesn't. At all. It doesn't even remotely pose a "threat" to public safety. Quite the contrary, it protects the public.

Legislation on encryption ‘may be necessary,’ deputy attorney general warns

Big Sister Is Watching You | National Review

Objectively, Ayn Rand Was a Nut | National Review

 

[g5000]

Ever notice that everything for the "public good" always ends with more power for the government and more capability for their intrusion into the lives of citizens? Ayn Rand saw it coming.

Unbreakable encryption poses a threat to public safety that only legislation may be able to address, according to Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein. Strong encryption on smartphones that can't be cracked may call for laws restricting its use, Rosenstein said at a security conference in Utah.

No. Not it doesn't. At all. It doesn't even remotely pose a "threat" to public safety. Quite the contrary, it protects the public.

Legislation on encryption ‘may be necessary,’ deputy attorney general warns

I'm surprised you have not noticed by now that Donald Trump is a YUGE fan of the surveillance state. Bigly.

Just like the last Republican in the White House.

 

[g5000]

Christ, in terms of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the nonideal people. In other words, a man of perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the notion of sacrificing the ideal to the nonideal, or virtue to vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used. That is torture. - Ayn Rand


Ayn Rand was not at all what pseudocons think she was. She is not a conservative ideal.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

You live in cartoon fantasy world Elmer.. Don't think you even ponder the difference between ACTUAL tyranny and losing an election. It would be funny if anyone thought you were being sarcastic. But instead, it's just sad.

That's a good point. So, what's the difference? At what point does a situation become tyranny? What is the correct way to describe the conditions that occur in the lead up before actual tyranny can be said to begin?

I agree that we Americans sometimes overstate our woes. But I think that it is an error to adopt an end point model for these questions. Instead, I propose a motion based model. Maybe tyranny, democracy, corruption, and all these other terms aren't specific points to be plotted. Perhaps they are vectors. Maybe tyranny is about the direction and speed of our movement.

 

[bripat9643]

You live in cartoon fantasy world Elmer.. Don't think you even ponder the difference between ACTUAL tyranny and losing an election. It would be funny if anyone thought you were being sarcastic. But instead, it's just sad.

That's a good point. So, what's the difference? At what point does a situation become tyranny? What is the correct way to describe the conditions that occur in the lead up before actual tyranny can be said to begin?

I agree that we Americans sometimes overstate our woes. But I think that it is an error to adopt an end point model for these questions. Instead, I propose a motion based model. Maybe tyranny, democracy, corruption, and all these other terms aren't specific points to be plotted. Perhaps they are vectors. Maybe tyranny is about the direction and speed of our movement.

Hmmmmmm . . . . . .wrong.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

You live in cartoon fantasy world Elmer.. Don't think you even ponder the difference between ACTUAL tyranny and losing an election. It would be funny if anyone thought you were being sarcastic. But instead, it's just sad.

That's a good point. So, what's the difference? At what point does a situation become tyranny? What is the correct way to describe the conditions that occur in the lead up before actual tyranny can be said to begin?

I agree that we Americans sometimes overstate our woes. But I think that it is an error to adopt an end point model for these questions. Instead, I propose a motion based model. Maybe tyranny, democracy, corruption, and all these other terms aren't specific points to be plotted. Perhaps they are vectors. Maybe tyranny is about the direction and speed of our movement.

Hmmmmmm . . . . . .wrong.

Mike Huckabee is laughing at your response. Apparently, he always laughs at farts.