Johnson Wasted Votes and PO'd Voters

[flacaltenn]

Another goal might be to throw this election to the House of Representatives. Which would FORCE a historical MONSTROUS confrontation of the ACTUAL evils of 2 party politics. A little demonstration if you will of how dangerously high the decadence, arrogance and hate in the 2 political corporations has gotten to be.

Only need about 25 electoral votes for a chance to make that happen. And I hope to God we survive that confrontation.

The two major political parties have much in common with the Mafia. It is like two major mob families controlling the nation...they protect each other to a point, but if one disses the other, they will go at it. All the while, they are running a racketeering game that enriches and empowers themselves, at the expense of the American people.

Political parties should be outlawed. How about an amendment to the Constitution? Only problem is both parties would ignore it, as they have done with much of the Constitution.

I think making them EARN your vote would be enough to fix it. To do that -- you need more ballot choices. Whether YOU like those ballot choices doesn't really matter does it? Would a Socialist candidate bother the GOP? --- Heck no.. Should a Socialist candidate be desparaged and slimed by Dems? -- HaHaHa

Same think with a hybrid party like the LP that can draw from both sides. We are really no more radical than Blue Dog Democrats that were hunted to extinction by the DNC over the past decade. Wouldn't follow the party line.

And you KNOW what the Mafia does with those who are disobedient -- right? POLITICIANS are tired of being man-handled by the parties as much as the voters are. You could SEE the frustration in the GOP primary debates. The Tea Party was hunted in a similar way by collusion between the parties.

 

[ChrisL]

I'll be voting for Johnson this November.

It doesn't really matter if Trump or Hillary wins. The country will survive, and 4 and 8 years from now the country will be just as butthurt as it is now. Just over new, unforeseeable issues. But I like Johnson. And not only have Hillary and Drumpf not earned my vote, they've done as much as they possibly can to lose it.

Agreed. I am tired of the clown show and want some real and serious candidates. I will be voting for Gary too.

 

[william the wie]

I'll be voting for Johnson this November.

It doesn't really matter if Trump or Hillary wins. The country will survive, and 4 and 8 years from now the country will be just as butthurt as it is now. Just over new, unforeseeable issues. But I like Johnson. And not only have Hillary and Drumpf not earned my vote, they've done as much as they possibly can to lose it.

Agreed. I am tired of the clown show and want some real and serious candidates. I will be voting for Gary too.

Dear nubes the LP has its own crooks, clowns and competency challenged candidates. That's why I want LP primaries and more outreach to blacks, Hispanics and Asians. The desire for some choice other than the gerrymandered in incumbent is quite strong even in the ghetto/barrio but that is being ignored.

 

[ChrisL]

I'll be voting for Johnson this November.

It doesn't really matter if Trump or Hillary wins. The country will survive, and 4 and 8 years from now the country will be just as butthurt as it is now. Just over new, unforeseeable issues. But I like Johnson. And not only have Hillary and Drumpf not earned my vote, they've done as much as they possibly can to lose it.

Agreed. I am tired of the clown show and want some real and serious candidates. I will be voting for Gary too.

Dear nubes the LP has its own crooks, clowns and competency challenged candidates. That's why I want LP primaries and more outreach to blacks, Hispanics and Asians. The desire for some choice other than the gerrymandered in incumbent is quite strong even in the ghetto/barrio but that is being ignored.

Nubes? What's a nube?

 

[william the wie]

Soneone who hasn't been active in the party 30-40 years.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'll be voting for Johnson this November.

It doesn't really matter if Trump or Hillary wins. The country will survive, and 4 and 8 years from now the country will be just as butthurt as it is now. Just over new, unforeseeable issues. But I like Johnson. And not only have Hillary and Drumpf not earned my vote, they've done as much as they possibly can to lose it.

Agreed. I am tired of the clown show and want some real and serious candidates. I will be voting for Gary too.

Dear nubes the LP has its own crooks, clowns and competency challenged candidates. That's why I want LP primaries and more outreach to blacks, Hispanics and Asians. The desire for some choice other than the gerrymandered in incumbent is quite strong even in the ghetto/barrio but that is being ignored.

The LP is not ignoring your "ghetto/barrios". THe IJ and Cato Institute (Lib ACLU equivalent and top Lib think tank) have been working for years on justice/prison reform and creating freedom to work in the inner cities. Too many local fiefdoms controlling licensing for no good reason. Don't NEED 150 hours of school and a license to braid hair or arrange flowers. Or a $1Mill medallion to drive a jitney service.

We don't NEED to break up families and incarcerate people for minor drug offenses, or failure to pay fines, appear, or otherwise cope with a justice system that hurts POOR people more than others. The LP message on school choice (which we pretty much invented) RESONATES in these demographics. Lines OUT THE DOOR in minority communities for parents trying to get kids out of failing schools and about 10% actually get "lottery" slots.

We need to get the message to these communities that the law and justice system is "as good as govt services get". And the KEY is to motivate and set incentives for Govt to do better in their encounters with folks who live on the edge of economic existence.

It's BECAUSE of the gerrymandering deal that the 2 political corporations have worked out that the very people getting ABUSED on the streets by inefficient or inept govt are the biggest fans of MORE govt. I think they would understand how that applies to the Govt being seemingly immune from consequences when they make FATAL mistakes with people's lives and means of support.

 

[william the wie]

Unless or until Johnson or some future candidate the party is dependent on volunteers and good will. police work that is based on seizures only works on the poor and those with felony records. one look at my driver license and the police know I have no felonies and with a quick call they find out I have a house that will finance a misconduct suit that will get them fired for cause if they pull that crap with me and I drive a car that is old enough to be served liquor. Hard drug smugglers drive late model cars with cruise control. they don't get stopped either.

Ghetto schools exist in current form because it punishes non-contributer/non-campaign volunteer teachers. likewise with ghettos, have you seen the cash on cash returns for managing section 8 housing?

 

[flacaltenn]

Unless or until Johnson or some future candidate the party is dependent on volunteers and good will. police work that is based on seizures only works on the poor and those with felony records. one look at my driver license and the police know I have no felonies and with a quick call they find out I have a house that will finance a misconduct suit that will get them fired for cause if they pull that crap with me and I drive a car that is old enough to be served liquor. Hard drug smugglers drive late model cars with cruise control. they don't get stopped either.

Ghetto schools exist in current form because it punishes non-contributer/non-campaign volunteer teachers. likewise with ghettos, have you seen the cash on cash returns for managing section 8 housing?

Or the strings that COME with Section 8 housing? No guns for self-defense, Auntie can be kicked out if her niece or nephew visit and share drugs, constant push for drug testing, even a determination of alcohol abuse. Neighbors can turn against neighbors and USE these "behavior clauses" as blackmail.. It's NOT charity. It's a 1/2 way house.

 

[ChrisL]

Soneone who hasn't been active in the party 30-40 years.

You made that up! And I think it would be "newb." Some people have been voting for 30-40 or more years and are completely clueless!

 

[william the wie]

Yeah, the nanny state us getting worse.

 

[william the wie]

Soneone who hasn't been active in the party 30-40 years.

You made that up! And I think it would be "newb." Some people have been voting for 30-40 or more years and are completely clueless!

Actually I've been an active member of the LP since 1980. Prior to that I was an anarcho-capitalist since 1968.

 

[ChrisL]

Soneone who hasn't been active in the party 30-40 years.

You made that up! And I think it would be "newb." Some people have been voting for 30-40 or more years and are completely clueless!

Actually I've been an active member of the LP since 1980. Prior to that I was an anarcho-capitalist since 1968.

So? Like I said SOME people have been voting their entire lives and are still clueless. What matters is that you do your research into candidates and not buy into talking points that the two main parties spew constantly. One of the main ones is this rhetoric that if we don't vote for a rep or a dem, then our vote is wasted. Well, things are difficult for the 3rd party candidates because of this mindset. If people would just do their research and vote for the BEST candidates instead of the party favorites, things could be much different and much more hopeful for our future.

 

[william the wie]

That is a phase shift happening worldwide and is based on a lot of a stuff such as the AGW cult:

The comet strike of late July/early 1434 (1421 website), the @1700 San Juan subduction zone tsunami and Krakatoa can be and has been shown to have had major effects on the economy and politics of the world due to its affects on climate.

 

[ChrisL]

If only those who are not pleased with either Trump or Hillary would consider that their votes are NOT wasted by voting 3rd party. This is just a way to help the 3rd parties be heard and seen. It's surely not out of the question that a 3rd party candidate will have a chance to take it all in the future.

Can This Libertarian Candidate Break Into the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election?

Simply being part of the poll represents a gain in Johnson’s quest for general-election legitimacy. When I talked to him earlier this month, he lamented that he is not often included in surveys. He claimed libertarians face a vicious cycle: Mainstream media does not frequently cover libertarians because they aren’t in polls, and pollsters don’t include the party’s candidates in surveys because they aren’t getting coverage. Libertarian leaders want their candidate on the debate stage alongside major-party candidates, similar to third-party nominees of the past like Ross Perot. But to qualify, a candidate needs at least 15 percent of the vote in five national polls chosen by the Commission on Presidential Debates. When I asked the campaign Tuesday how Johnson could bump up his percentage, his communications director, Joe Hunter, noted that the “first step” is getting into polls, “which is finally happening.” More awareness and more interest around Johnson “will go a long way toward 15 percent,” Hunter said.


But Tuesday’s results do not mean Johnson will absolutely get a spot on the stage. Those debate standards are difficult to meet. They will require Johnson to make big gains in multiple polls by the time of the first debate in September—enough that the commission could be choosy about which surveys it uses and still let him in. He also needs to win his party’s nomination in a few days. Johnson, who self-identifies as socially liberal and fiscally conservative, is the presumptive nominee, but he’s got competitors. The former antivirus software mogul John McAfee and the former Fox News producer Austin Petersen are also considered front-runners, though the dearth of polling among libertarian voters makes it difficult to assess their standing.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Wasted Vote Lie


The worst thing about voting for the “lesser of two evils” is that it actually has the opposite effect of what it’s intended to do. Winning candidates don’t know, they don’t want to know - and frankly don’t care - why people vote for them. They certainly don’t know and don’t care how many of the votes they got were so-called protest votes. All they want is enough votes to win. They’ll consider all the votes they get as an endorsement of their campaign promises or past performance to claim a “mandate from the people.”

The news media aid and abet in this subterfuge when, with a Cheshire cat smile, they ask Libertarian candidates, “You know you can’t win, so why are you running?” They don’t want a meaningful response because their intent is to divert the conversation away from any discussion of substantive issues. Their purpose is to marginalize the Libertarian so they can justify treating the campaign as a sideshow to be covered only for the entertainment value.

The Wasted Vote Lie is often accompanied by another big lie, that your vote for a Libertarian “takes away” votes from the Republican or Democrat. Let’s call this allegation what it is - pure and unadulterated arrogance. The ruling elites believe your vote belongs to them and that you’re too ignorant, or too stupid, or too uninformed to use it wisely. The Wasted Vote Lie and all its variations is an obvious and clear symptom of the condition Republicans and Democrats fear the most - an independent thinking voter.

Let me be clear: there is no such thing as a wasted vote. Your vote belongs to you, and no one else. It doesn’t belong to the Republican or Democratic Party, or any party or candidate for that matter. Your vote is your voice; it is one of your unnamed, inalienable rights, the ultimate expression of your right to free speech and self-government. Your vote is the most precious and meaningful gift you can give to any candidate. Your vote is worth more than any amount of money or any number of volunteer hours you may give, which is why politicians lust after it so hungrily. Your vote cannot be wasted, or stolen, or lost - unless you make a decision to do so.

The wasted vote lie is a false premise trotted out there by people who either have a low intellect or something to gain by preserving the two party duopoly.

 

[saveliberty]

At some point winning by a slim majority and seeing an increasing third party possibility requires a response from the big parties.

 

[Toro]

There is no such thing as a wasted vote. All votes are an expression of the democratic will of the voters regardless of who they vote for.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Johnson is wrong on most of the issues.

He advocates for the same sophomoric, naïve, simplistic agenda pursued by other libertarians.

A presidential candidate who holds such inane positions on the issues isn’t worthy of one’s vote.

Gary Johnson on the Issues

 

[Harry Dresden]

Johnson is wrong on most of the issues.

He advocates for the same sophomoric, naïve, simplistic agenda pursued by other libertarians.

A presidential candidate who holds such inane positions on the issues isn’t worthy of one’s vote.

Gary Johnson on the Issues

who gives a fuck what you think jones you are wrong just about every time you post........care to comment?....

 

[Toro]

I'm 50/50 on Hillary or Johnson.