was there a conspiracy to kill John F Kennedy?

[MayorQuimby]

It is completely false

Yawn

Screaming denial. I hear this a lot. This is the reaction of people who cannot handle anything that's not the official narrative.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yawn

Screaming denial. I hear this a lot. This is the reaction of people who cannot handle anything that's not the official narrative.

No you hear loud facts

There are no such people as you describe.

They instead are people who consider all sides and look at the evidence.

Which is why your claims are fairy tales

YOU are the one in denial

 

[MayorQuimby]

No you hear loud facts

There are no such people as you describe.

They instead are people who consider all sides and look at the evidence.

Which is why your claims are fairy tales

YOU are the one in denial

All I hear is, "rational inquiries hurt my brain"

 

[Soupnazi630]

All I hear is, "rational inquiries hurt my brain"

you lack rationality and evidence

 

[gipper]

Oswald was not an asset to anyone.

he was no informant he not being handled he was barely being watched

Oswald worked for your grandfather Dulles. You know it Allan III. Stop lying.

Can you confirm your godfather Angelton was a traitor?

Israel’s Man Inside the CIA Betrayed the US, New Files Show​

Kit Klarenberg and Wyatt Reed • August 15, 2025
CIA spymaster James Angleton shaped the US-Israeli relationship in secrecy. Newly unredacted files shed light on his wanton betrayal of his country to assist Israel’s theft of US nuclear material and global spying operations.

Veteran CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton secretly oversaw a top-level spy ring involving Jewish émigrés and Israeli operatives without “any clearances” from Congress or Langley itself, according to recently declassified documents published as part of the Trump administration’s pledge to disclose all available information on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

https://www.unz.com/article/israels-man-inside-the-cia-betrayed-the-us-new-files-show/

 

[MisterBeale]

Oswald worked for your grandfather Dulles. You know it Allan III. Stop lying.

Can you confirm your godfather Angelton was a traitor?

Israel’s Man Inside the CIA Betrayed the US, New Files Show​

Kit Klarenberg and Wyatt Reed • August 15, 2025
CIA spymaster James Angleton shaped the US-Israeli relationship in secrecy. Newly unredacted files shed light on his wanton betrayal of his country to assist Israel’s theft of US nuclear material and global spying operations.

Veteran CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton secretly oversaw a top-level spy ring involving Jewish émigrés and Israeli operatives without “any clearances” from Congress or Langley itself, according to recently declassified documents published as part of the Trump administration’s pledge to disclose all available information on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

https://www.unz.com/article/israels-man-inside-the-cia-betrayed-the-us-new-files-show/

yes

"Epstein COVERUP Began in 1981!" - DARPA Docs Expert Exposes Truth | Mike Benz • 324​

Jul 29, 2025

 

[Soupnazi630]

Oswald worked for your grandfather Dulles. You know it Allan III. Stop lying.

Can you confirm your godfather Angelton was a traitor?

Israel’s Man Inside the CIA Betrayed the US, New Files Show​

Kit Klarenberg and Wyatt Reed • August 15, 2025
CIA spymaster James Angleton shaped the US-Israeli relationship in secrecy. Newly unredacted files shed light on his wanton betrayal of his country to assist Israel’s theft of US nuclear material and global spying operations.

Veteran CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton secretly oversaw a top-level spy ring involving Jewish émigrés and Israeli operatives without “any clearances” from Congress or Langley itself, according to recently declassified documents published as part of the Trump administration’s pledge to disclose all available information on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

https://www.unz.com/article/israels-man-inside-the-cia-betrayed-the-us-new-files-show/

Oswald did not work for dulles that is fact and I know it and so did you BOY

None of that shit you post has abything to do with OSwald

because you know you are outed as a liar

 

[Mack Brazile]

George Joannides ran Oswald

 

[Soupnazi630]

George Joannides ran Oswald

No one ran him he acted alone

 

[BackAgain]

i know that this is an old question.

we may never know.

what do you think?

i think it unlikely.

I have never bought the claim that, when President Kennedy’s head was forced backward and to his left, the kill shot somehow came from the rear and to his right.

It seems abundantly clear to me that the actual shooter of the kill shot had to have been in front of the President and to his right. I also accept that Oswald was more than a mere patsy. He may also have fired at President Lennedy.

Once you have more than one participant in any planned criminal action, it is a conspiracy.

 

[Invisibleflash]

i know that this is an old question.

we may never know.

what do you think?

i think it unlikely.

Dunno, possibly.

But...

Check this out. I watched a DVD called 'JFK: The Smoking Gun' (2014) that had a theory that after JFK was shot, the Secret Service killed / finished off JFK in the car following him with the agent's AR-15 going off by accident. Get it from your library. Don't dismiss it until you watch it. I think it is on YT as well.

Let us know what you think about it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I have never bought the claim that, when President Kennedy’s head was forced backward and to his left, the kill shot somehow came from the rear and to his right.

It seems abundantly clear to me that the actual shooter of the kill shot had to have been in front of the President and to his right. I also accept that Oswald was more than a mere patsy. He may also have fired at President Lennedy.

Once you have more than one participant in any planned criminal action, it is a conspiracy.

It is not a claim it is fact

The shooter was behind and to the right of Kennedy and it was Oswald

The back and to the left movement was not caused byu the bullet

Bullets do not push people around that way it is a simple fact of physics. A bullet does not have the mass to push a person that way. You have seen it a million times in movies and TV but they are not real. People do not fly back away from the gun when shot.

 

[Mack Brazile]

George Joannides​

Photo of CIA officer George Joannides, aka Walter Newby, aka "Howard"
"Who was Howard?" Journalist Jefferson Morley's journey began with that question. Who was the CIA officer, using the name Howard, who "ran" the Cuban exile student group known as the DRE, during 1963 when Lee Harvey Oswald had now-famous interactions with the group and its local leader Carlos Bringuier, with whom he had a street altercation and a later radio debate?

Oswald's 1963 summer in New Orleans, where he leafletted on behalf of his one-man chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, generated still-unanswered questions. Was his pro-Castro support genuine or the building of a "legend," and if so on whose behalf? Why did he apparently try briefly to infiltrate the DRE? Was bar owner Orest Pena right that Oswald was an FBI informant? Was Oswald, wittingly or unwittingly, wrapped up in CIA-approved anti-FPCC operations? Who were the Cubans some reported seeing Oswald in the company of?

Morley's digging eventually led him to Howard's true identity: George Joannides, a political action and propaganda officer who took over CIA's handling of the group in November 1962 and left that role in May 1964. Prompted by Morley, the ARRB had asked the CIA, which responded that there was no registered alias for a "Howard" - perhaps the word was just a "routing indicator." The discovery that Howard was actually Joannides was made in November 1998, two months after the end of the four-year term of the Assassination Records Review Board.

Morley made another startling discovery. Joannides' career intersected with the JFK assassination story in another way: he had been the CIA's liaison on document requests to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the late 1970s. When Robert Blakey, the HSCA's chief counsel, was told this, he wrote:

"That the Agency would put a 'material witness' in as a 'filter' between the committee and its quests for documents was a flat out breach of the understanding the committee had with the Agency that it would co-operate with the investigation.....the Agency set up a process that could only have been designed to frustrate the ability of the committee in 1976-79 to obtain any information that might adversely affect the Agency."

Morley turned to the quest for CIA's internal records on Joannides. Where were the monthly reports Joannides would have filed on the group, which CIA was paying $51,000 a month to in 1963 dollars? Did Joannides travel to New Orleans in 1964 when the Warren Commission was interviewing Carlos Bringuier and others? The ARRB had briefly held some documents on Joannides, but had returned them as not relevant before the story of Joannides' full identity broke.

Morley filed a FOIA lawsuit in 2003 that lasted 15 years. The litigation forced disclosure of a document showing that Joannides had been awarded a medal after serving as liaison to the HSCA. In the end, future Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh would be the one to dismiss the case.

Then, in 2025, Morley petitioned Rep. Luna of the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability for previously-denied material from Joannides' personnel file. In early July, the CIA posted 40 documents, among them a memo requesting the issuance of a driver's license to Joannides under the alias "Howard Mark Gebler."

Still missing are 17 months of progress reports and financial accounting for the DRE, the group which on November 22 was the source of much of the information on Oswald's pro-Castro activities and helped cement the public image of him as a fanatical left-wing assassin. The CIA has implausibly claimed that perhaps no reports were generated during Joannides' tenure.

Former ARRB chairman Judge John Tunheim told Luna's task force that the CIA "deliberately misled" the board on Joannides and his files. When shown the released file, Tunheim commented by email "The 'Howard' confirmation.....is very irritating given the [CIA's] representations", adding "If this is all it is, why fight so hard to keep it secret? I am concerned that this is not the entire file."

Dan Hardway, an HSCA staffer who interacted directly with Joannides, testified before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability on May 20, 2025. "When Joannides was introduced to the investigation," Hardway said, "we were told that he had no connection of any kind with any aspect of the Kennedy investigation that was the subject of our investigation. In addition to that, the CIA assured us they had no working relationship with the DRE, an anti-Castro student group, when representatives of that group had an encounter in New Orleans with Oswald which they turned into quite a propaganda coup [after JFK’s assassination]."

 

[BackAgain]

It is not a claim it is fact

It’s a claim

The shooter was behind and to the right of Kennedy and it was Oswald

Oswald was probably one of the shooters. He was absolutely behind the President and to the President’s right.

The back and to the left movement was not caused byu the bullet

Nonsense.

Bullets do not push people around that way it is a simple fact of physics. A bullet does not have the mass to push a person that way. You have seen it a million times in movies and TV but they are not real. People do not fly back away from the gun when shot.

Your claim is silly.

But I say if you want to give it a try, I guess all I can do is say, “go ahead and show me.”
But let’s limit you.

Since I have seen (on videos and so forth) people getting shot, I also agree that bodies react with only a little movement relative to their bodies position when the rifle shot is in the torso. But JFK was seated and wore a body brace. Plus, the wound he received to his head cause massive damage.

So in your research, please find material supporting your claim that a person’s HEAD when struck by a rifle’s bullet from behind and to the right of the victim won’t rapidly move backwards and to the left.

 

[Quantrill]

I do believe there was a conspiracy in Kennedy's assasssination.

I read not long ago an interesting book on the subject. 'The Reporter Who Knew Too Much' by Mark Shaw.

Quantrill

 

[Soupnazi630]

It’s a claim

Oswald was probably one of the shooters. He was absolutely behind the President and to the President’s right.

Nonsense.

Your claim is silly.

But I say if you want to give it a try, I guess all I can do is say, “go ahead and show me.”
But let’s limit you.

Since I have seen (on videos and so forth) people getting shot, I also agree that bodies react with only a little movement relative to their bodies position when the rifle shot is in the torso. But JFK was seated and wore a body brace. Plus, the wound he received to his head cause massive damage.

So in your research, please find material supporting your claim that a person’s HEAD when struck by a rifle’s bullet from behind and to the right of the victim won’t rapidly move backwards and to the left.

It is NOT a claim it is a FACT

I just did provide evcidence

It is the laws of physics. One more time he did not move back and to the left because of the bullet pushing him that way it is that simple

My claim is proven and accurate yours is based on movies

 

[candycorn]

i know that this is an old question.

we may never know.

what do you think?

i think it unlikely.

We’ll never know for sure. I’m in the camp that Oswald was the lone assassin that day in Dallas but he was just a lone nut. I’ve written about it before.

I don't buy that Oswald was the "lone nut" in Dallas on 11/22/63. Here are my "headlines". We have more nuts of all types now (political, religious, racist etc...) and we have more gun available. We also have far more public officials with higher profiles now. In the past--1963-1993 or so, someone like AOC or Matt Gertz or whatever his name is would be nobodies. Today, they are the faces of evil for the other side. If we had "lone nuts" back in 1963 why don't we have lone nuts taking pot shots at, not only Biden and Harris, but all of these other people day in and day out? If you buy the lone-nut theory...I think you have failed to account for the reality of 2021 America.

Here are some facts to consider mixed in with my theories....

Fact. In the month or so before 11/22/63, Oswald went to Mexico City and visited some Eastern Bloc embassies trying to re-defect to Cuba or the USSR. He was turned down.

My theory is that he told someone at the Cuban embassy that he would kill Kennedy. He likely --again my theory only--tried to "trade" on his previous attempt in the Spring on General Edwin Walker but Cubans were not impressed. Walker (like most generals) was a devout anti-Communist. So Oswald offered up Kennedy. My theory continues that the Cuban embassy officials in Mexico City didn't contact Havana and likely not the Mexico City station chief. I think one of the staffers there told Oswald, basically to "knock yourself out" when it came to killing Kennedy. Much like the same way a police officer does verbal judo with an arrestee while not broadcasting the "official" position of the police department or the mayor. My theory continues that at some point, in Dallas, the unofficial Cubans at the embassy in Mexico City through intermediaries got to Oswald and told him that they would ferry him out of the country after he killed Kennedy.

One of four things happen at this point:

1. Oswald just goes away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers.
2. Oswald tries it and succeeds. “Big” win for Cuba and communism and the staffers
3. Oswlad tries it and fails and gets away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers
4. Oswald tries it and fails and gets arrested. At this point, he tells the Feds that he was working for the Cuban government--maybe. The proof? Nobody in Havana knows about it; the station chief in Mexico City knows nothing about it. The only contact Oswald had with anyone from Cuba in this regard is the staffer and his intermediary on the streets in Dallas. Neither of whom are going to own up to it.

Fact. Oswald left his rifle in the Texas School book Depository (TSBD). He was seen carrying a large package into the TSBD.

Fact. Oswald left his wedding ring and $170 for his wife before leaving.

Fact. Oswald had a revolver that he didn't bring with him although he could have very easily have brought it with him.

My theory continues that after he killed Kennedy he left the TSBD and expected to be picked up by his unofficial Cuban contact. This was, of course, never going to happen since it was never an official operation by Cuban Intelligence. It was a guy in the Cuban Embassy in Mexico who was free-lancing. So when he knew he'd been had...he starts taking evasive action...taxis, a bus, and ultimately showing up at the Texas Theater--likely where he met the intermediary.

Fact. When arrested, Oswald said "I'm just a Patsy" He didn't say he didn't do it--admittedly he didn't have a lot of time with the press. But it seems to me that he'd say "I didn't do it!"

Conclusion:
He left behind his rifle and didn't bring his gun, you have to surmise that he didn't think he'd need them. He thought he'd be on a flight to Havana or Mexico.

Since he left his wedding ring behind and his life savings, one can logically surmise that he didn't think he'd be needing them or predicting he wouldn't return.

The CIA--make what you want out of this--denies he was in Mexico City. PBS Frontline established that he was:

"G. ROBERT BLAKEY: We obtained from the Cuban officials the visa application, with his photograph on it and his signature. We verified that it was Oswald's signature. Oswald, therefore, was in Mexico City.

NARRATOR: And records at the Hotel Comercio show the real Oswald was here, too. The handwriting on the register is his.

Oswald stayed in Mexico City four days. But in the end, both the Russians and the Cubans rejected him. All his plans to fight for Castro and return to Russia had come to nothing. He had nowhere to go but back to America. In the early hours of an October morning, Oswald boarded a bus heading north. Next day, he crossed the U.S. border."

Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? | FRONTLINE​

An investigative biography examining the life and enduring mysteries of the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
www.pbs.org

-----

Its only my theory but I think it puts together a pretty compelling argument that he wasn’t some lone nutjob. Add to this that he was one of the few (if not the only) person to defect from the US to Russia and back again--with his Russian born wife. Sees bizarrey coincidental that someone who is able to pull off that feat ends up being the one to shoot Kennedy.

 

[BackAgain]

It is NOT a claim it is a FACT

No. It’s just a claim. An unproved one at that.

I just did provide evcidence

No. No, in fact you didn’t.

It is the laws of physics.

Which you don’t bother to apply.

One more time he did not move back and to the left because of the bullet pushing him that way it is that simple

One more time. You’re wrong. And you repeating your original erroneous contenrion doesn’t even support the claim, much less prove it.

My claim is proven and accurate yours is based on movies

Your claim stand completely unproved. And it isn’t accurate. And mine isn’t based on movies.

Meanwhile, I can’t help but notice that you appear unable to support your claim about physics. You certainly don’t even try.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No. It’s just a claim. An unproved one at that.

No. No, in fact you didn’t.

Which you don’t bother to apply.


One more time. You’re wrong. And you repeating your original erroneous contenrion doesn’t even support the claim, much less prove it.

Your claim stand completely unproved. And it isn’t accurate. And mine isn’t based on movies.

Meanwhile, I can’t help but notice that you appear unable to support your claim about physics. You certainly don’t even try.

It is a fact and proven you are in denial

Yes in afct I did

Yooyu are spouting choldish lies

I did apply the laws of physics and did so correctly

My claim is factual and proven by the laws of physics

You are flat out proven wrong and that is fact

 

[Soupnazi630]

We’ll never know for sure. I’m in the camp that Oswald was the lone assassin that day in Dallas but he was just a lone nut. I’ve written about it before.

I don't buy that Oswald was the "lone nut" in Dallas on 11/22/63. Here are my "headlines". We have more nuts of all types now (political, religious, racist etc...) and we have more gun available. We also have far more public officials with higher profiles now. In the past--1963-1993 or so, someone like AOC or Matt Gertz or whatever his name is would be nobodies. Today, they are the faces of evil for the other side. If we had "lone nuts" back in 1963 why don't we have lone nuts taking pot shots at, not only Biden and Harris, but all of these other people day in and day out? If you buy the lone-nut theory...I think you have failed to account for the reality of 2021 America.

Here are some facts to consider mixed in with my theories....

Fact. In the month or so before 11/22/63, Oswald went to Mexico City and visited some Eastern Bloc embassies trying to re-defect to Cuba or the USSR. He was turned down.

My theory is that he told someone at the Cuban embassy that he would kill Kennedy. He likely --again my theory only--tried to "trade" on his previous attempt in the Spring on General Edwin Walker but Cubans were not impressed. Walker (like most generals) was a devout anti-Communist. So Oswald offered up Kennedy. My theory continues that the Cuban embassy officials in Mexico City didn't contact Havana and likely not the Mexico City station chief. I think one of the staffers there told Oswald, basically to "knock yourself out" when it came to killing Kennedy. Much like the same way a police officer does verbal judo with an arrestee while not broadcasting the "official" position of the police department or the mayor. My theory continues that at some point, in Dallas, the unofficial Cubans at the embassy in Mexico City through intermediaries got to Oswald and told him that they would ferry him out of the country after he killed Kennedy.

One of four things happen at this point:

1. Oswald just goes away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers.
2. Oswald tries it and succeeds. “Big” win for Cuba and communism and the staffers
3. Oswlad tries it and fails and gets away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers
4. Oswald tries it and fails and gets arrested. At this point, he tells the Feds that he was working for the Cuban government--maybe. The proof? Nobody in Havana knows about it; the station chief in Mexico City knows nothing about it. The only contact Oswald had with anyone from Cuba in this regard is the staffer and his intermediary on the streets in Dallas. Neither of whom are going to own up to it.

Fact. Oswald left his rifle in the Texas School book Depository (TSBD). He was seen carrying a large package into the TSBD.

Fact. Oswald left his wedding ring and $170 for his wife before leaving.

Fact. Oswald had a revolver that he didn't bring with him although he could have very easily have brought it with him.

My theory continues that after he killed Kennedy he left the TSBD and expected to be picked up by his unofficial Cuban contact. This was, of course, never going to happen since it was never an official operation by Cuban Intelligence. It was a guy in the Cuban Embassy in Mexico who was free-lancing. So when he knew he'd been had...he starts taking evasive action...taxis, a bus, and ultimately showing up at the Texas Theater--likely where he met the intermediary.

Fact. When arrested, Oswald said "I'm just a Patsy" He didn't say he didn't do it--admittedly he didn't have a lot of time with the press. But it seems to me that he'd say "I didn't do it!"

Conclusion:
He left behind his rifle and didn't bring his gun, you have to surmise that he didn't think he'd need them. He thought he'd be on a flight to Havana or Mexico.

Since he left his wedding ring behind and his life savings, one can logically surmise that he didn't think he'd be needing them or predicting he wouldn't return.

The CIA--make what you want out of this--denies he was in Mexico City. PBS Frontline established that he was:

"G. ROBERT BLAKEY: We obtained from the Cuban officials the visa application, with his photograph on it and his signature. We verified that it was Oswald's signature. Oswald, therefore, was in Mexico City.

NARRATOR: And records at the Hotel Comercio show the real Oswald was here, too. The handwriting on the register is his.

Oswald stayed in Mexico City four days. But in the end, both the Russians and the Cubans rejected him. All his plans to fight for Castro and return to Russia had come to nothing. He had nowhere to go but back to America. In the early hours of an October morning, Oswald boarded a bus heading north. Next day, he crossed the U.S. border."

Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? | FRONTLINE​

An investigative biography examining the life and enduring mysteries of the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
www.pbs.org

-----

Its only my theory but I think it puts together a pretty compelling argument that he wasn’t some lone nutjob. Add to this that he was one of the few (if not the only) person to defect from the US to Russia and back again--with his Russian born wife. Sees bizarrey coincidental that someone who is able to pull off that feat ends up being the one to shoot Kennedy.

We DO see lone nutters trying to take out politicians perhaps you forgot the two attempts on trump.

He could NOT have easily obtained his pistol