Was the Nashville shooting a hate crime?

[BrokeLoser]

So you agree that it's the gun culture that's promoting these murders, correct?

There is no “gun culture”….there is American culture with guns at the core of it.

So if we eliminate the guns, we will eliminate the gun culture, and we eliminate the mass murders.

Nope….it’s simpler than that, keep guns out of the hands of dark and or weird Democrats and we solve the problem. You do want to solve the problem…don’t you?

 

[gipper]

Yes.

You ask me a question and I responded. I haven’t changed my opinion as yet.

 

[LibertyKid]

Yes guns are weapons that make it easier to kill people. The reason for so many deaths and so many mass shootings is easy to discern. We have a ton of easily accessible weapons that are really good at killing people. This isn't complicated math.

That is incorrect. The majority of "Mass Shootings" are inner city thug and gang related crimes by those who illegally obtain their firearm. The school shooting, as tragic as it is, is a small number of occurrences compared to the number of "Mass Shootings" done within the confines of big cities like Chicago.

For example, gang member hears of a birthday party for a rival gang member, they drive by, and shoot up the place. It's a "Mass Shooting".

4 arrests made in Douglas County birthday party shooting that killed teens

Four teens have been arrested in connection to a mass shooting that killed two teens attending a birthday party in Douglasville earlier this month.

www.fox5atlanta.com

The video below is of a former murderer out on parole who murders 3/4 on the streets in chicago. Another "Mass Shooting". And yes, Chicago. And why the hell was this guy even on parole and another illegally obtained firearm.

 

[Richard-H]

There is no “gun culture”….there is American culture with guns at the core of it.

Nope….it’s simpler than that, keep guns out of the hands of dark and or weird Democrats and we solve the problem. You do want to solve the problem…don’t you?

"There is no “gun culture”….there is American culture with guns at the core of it."

That's just plan silly. You're saying that guns are at the core of American culture, but there is no gun culture in America?

Do you ever think before you post?

So far there are a whole lot more mass shootings by right wingers than left wingers, so your statement about keeping guns out of the hands of Democrats is nonsense. Or do you just want gun ownership based on people's political affiliations? Nazi much?

 

[Richard-H]

You ask me a question and I responded. I haven’t changed my opinion as yet.

I doubt you will ever change your opinion on anything, yet I have this vague hope that someday you may grow a brain.

 

[gipper]

I doubt you will ever change your opinion on anything, yet I have this vague hope that someday you may grow a brain.

Wow. Now what have I ever done to you do deserve such a nasty response?

 

[Curried Goats]

That is incorrect. The majority of "Mass Shootings" are inner city thug and gang related crimes by those who illegally obtain their firearm. The school shooting, as tragic as it is, is a small number of occurrences compared to the number of "Mass Shootings" done within the confines of big cities like Chicago.

For example, gang member hears of a birthday party for a rival gang member, they drive by, and shoot up the place. It's a "Mass Shooting".

4 arrests made in Douglas County birthday party shooting that killed teens

Four teens have been arrested in connection to a mass shooting that killed two teens attending a birthday party in Douglasville earlier this month.

www.fox5atlanta.com

The video below is of a former murderer out on parole who murders 3/4 on the streets in chicago. Another "Mass Shooting". And yes, Chicago. And why the hell was this guy even on parole and another illegally obtained firearm.

Nothing in my post that you quoted made any reference to specific types of mass shootings. It doesn't really matter to me which one you consider more important, they're all important and reducing them should be societies goal. Personally I haven't lost any loved ones to school shootings but I have lost relatives and friends to gang violence and crime and the reduction of those types of instances are actually just as important to me as reducing the instances of school shootings. Reducing the availability of guns will also reduce gang violence. Other countries also have gangs but in more advanced countries those criminals can't cause the carnage they do on our streets because they're aren't as well armed as a militia.

 

[LibertyKid]

Nothing in my post that you quoted made any reference to specific types of mass shootings. It doesn't really matter to me which one you consider more important, they're all important and reducing them should be societies goal. Personally I haven't lost any loved ones to school shootings but I have lost relatives and friends to gang violence and crime and the reduction of those types of instances are actually just as important to me as reducing the instances of school shootings. Reducing the availability of guns will also reduce gang violence. Other countries also have gangs but in more advanced countries those criminals can't cause the carnage they do on our streets because they're aren't as well armed as a militia.

Then we start with criminals, gangs and inner-city crime as they occur every day. I think trying to remove illegally obtained guns from the street might be a way to start. How do we entice criminals to give up their guns? Money. Give illegal gun "owners" a risk free chance to turn in guns, magazines and ammo for money.

Lots to think about and consider in attempting something like this, but it could be a start. I know it's been done before to some degree in some areas, and I don't know the outcomes of some of them.

 

[LibertyKid]

Cutting and pasting isnt an argument. It leaves you unable to address my point that black populations face worse outcomes under republican governors.

Someone's economic situation does not justify criminality. I was raised poor as dirt growing up because i was raised by a grand parent on a fixed income.
I finished high school.
Got grants to go to college
And now have a decent life. I'm not rich, but we are comfortable.

The same is afforded to every person in this country, regardless of race. But if you choose to wake up everyday and embrace a sub-culture of crime, laziness, drugs, bitches and WAP while not doing anything to further your life. That's on you. Time for the black community to stop looking at the horrble things that DID happen and are no longer systemically happening and focus on what YOU can do to better your communities and strengthen your families.

 

[Curried Goats]

Then we start with criminals, gangs and inner-city crime as they occur every day. I think trying to remove illegally obtained guns from the street might be a way to start. How do we entice criminals to give up their guns? Money. Give illegal gun "owners" a risk free chance to turn in guns, magazines and ammo for money.

Lots to think about and consider in attempting something like this, but it could be a start. I know it's been done before to some degree in some areas, and I don't know the outcomes of some of them.

Why would criminals and gangs willingly give up their guns and how do you account for the fact the majority of guns used in crime in places like Chicago were brought in from outside the state of Illinois?

 

[LibertyKid]

Why would criminals and gangs willingly give up their guns and how do you account for the fact the majority of guns used in crime in places like Chicago were brought in from outside the state of Illinois?

Money. Yes, it's an assumption and may not work. I don't know. I throwing stuff out there. But we do know that the majority of mass shootings happen due to inner city crimes by the black community. It's statistical data. That doesn't mean white's don't commit crimes or shoot up places, because they obviously do.

You tell me, what do you recommend? How do you stop black on black inner city, gang related mass shootings. And don't point to the historical atrocities that EVERYONE absolutely accepts (except for a few nut jobs) as some reason they currently happen. How do you fix it now?

 

[Curried Goats]

Someone's economic situation does not justify criminality. I was raised poor as dirt growing up because i was raised by a grand parent on a fixed income.
I finished high school.
Got grants to go to college
And now have a decent life. I'm not rich, but we are comfortable.

I didn't say it justified it but understanding why certain communities have a larger percentage of not only crime, criminals and ganags, but also victims (because they are preying on the people in those communities) is the first step in solving it. A lot of people don't want to hear that the most effective way of reducing crime is investing in communities, education, after school programs, job training and reparations. More policing doesn't address the social inequities that lead to more crime, it just plays a never ending game of whack a mole with criminals.

The same is afforded to every person in this country, regardless of race. But if you choose to wake up everyday and embrace a sub-culture of crime, laziness, drugs, bitches and WAP while not doing anything to further your life. That's on you. Time for the black community to stop looking at the horrble things that DID happen and are no longer systemically happening and focus on what YOU can do to better your communities and strengthen your families.

No. The same was not afforded to everyone regardless of race. Thats completely ignorant and contrary to the history of this country.

 

[Richard-H]

Wow. Now what have I ever done to you do deserve such a nasty response?

Continually posting nonsense that insults my, and everyone else's intelligence.

 

[jc456]

I know right. It's so curious how people could connect guns to gun deaths. Weird.

13 year old girl stabbed 114 times. 4 Idaho students stabbed to death in their sleep. Start banning knives now right?

Funny how the gun never arrived to the two parties.

 

[BrokeLoser]

That's just plan silly. You're saying that guns are at the core of American culture, but there is no gun culture in America?

At the foundation of American Culture lies freedom and a pesky document you marxists hate called the Constitution. Our great framers granted us the uninfringeable right to bear arms. This make gun ownership part of American culture….you really can’t understand that?
Is there free speech culture or is free speech part of American Culture?

So far there are a whole lot more mass shootings by right wingers than left wingers, so your statement about keeping guns out of the hands of Democrats is nonsense. Or do you just want gun ownership based on people's political affiliations? Nazi much?

That’s a cool feel good theory…but what about those pesky facts?
Las Vegas shooter - Thought to be Liberal
San Bernardino terrorists - Muslim Democrat
Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan - Democrat, and muslim
Adam Lanza - Liberal, hated Christians
Columbine High School freaks - too young to vote but came from very liberal families
Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho - liberal freak
Virginia Tech decapitater - liberal
Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes - liberal
Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan - liberal
Navy shipyard shooter Aaron Alexis - liberal
Arizona Gabby Giffords shooter Jared Loughner - Liberal, hated Bush
The DC snipers back in 2003 - Liberals
Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting center shooter - Muslim democrat
Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - Leftist

Want more examples of the violent left?...

Lee Harvy Oswald (JFK) - Marxist (hard core lefty)
John Hinkley (Reagan) - Democrat
John Wilkes Booth (Lincoln) - Democrat
Lynette 'squeaky' Fromme (Gerd Ford attempt) - Liberal
Sir Han Sir Han (RFK) - Liberal
Bill Ayers - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Bernadine Dohrn - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Black panther party - leftist based organization
Occupy Wall Street - over 8,000 arrests, 3 murders, 2 arson, 10 plus reported rapes - a hardcore leftist movement
KKK- was spawn from democrats
Eradication of Jews 1940's (holocaust) - Hitler a member of the National Socialist Workers Party aka a hardcore leftist.
Planned parenthood - a leftist organization, created for the sole purpose to eradicate blacks, (do some research on Margaret Sanger)
Slavery - Democrats were proponents.

Look at all the “right wingers” shown below.

 

[whitehall]

It' s interesting to note that the media and government authorities are using the correct pronoun (her) when referring to the female shooter. Why do they refuse to make her manifesto public?

 

[Curried Goats]

13 year old girl stabbed 114 times. 4 Idaho students stabbed to death in their sleep. Start banning knives now right?

Funny how the gun never arrived to the two parties.

Do knives have the same lethality as firearms? Why does every developed nation have a much lower murder rate than we do despite not banning them?

 

[gipper]

Continually posting nonsense that insults my, and everyone else's intelligence.

Could you please post an example of this?

 

[Richard-H]

At the foundation of American Culture lies freedom and a pesky document you marxists hate called the Constitution. Our great framers granted us the uninfringeable right to bear arms. This make gun ownership part of American culture….you really can’t understand that?
Is there free speech culture or is free speech part of American Culture?

That’s a cool feel good theory…but what about those pesky facts?
Las Vegas shooter - Thought to be Liberal
San Bernardino terrorists - Muslim Democrat
Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan - Democrat, and muslim
Adam Lanza - Liberal, hated Christians
Columbine High School freaks - too young to vote but came from very liberal families
Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho - liberal freak
Virginia Tech decapitater - liberal
Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes - liberal
Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan - liberal
Navy shipyard shooter Aaron Alexis - liberal
Arizona Gabby Giffords shooter Jared Loughner - Liberal, hated Bush
The DC snipers back in 2003 - Liberals
Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting center shooter - Muslim democrat
Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - Leftist

Want more examples of the violent left?...

Lee Harvy Oswald (JFK) - Marxist (hard core lefty)
John Hinkley (Reagan) - Democrat
John Wilkes Booth (Lincoln) - Democrat
Lynette 'squeaky' Fromme (Gerd Ford attempt) - Liberal
Sir Han Sir Han (RFK) - Liberal
Bill Ayers - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Bernadine Dohrn - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Black panther party - leftist based organization
Occupy Wall Street - over 8,000 arrests, 3 murders, 2 arson, 10 plus reported rapes - a hardcore leftist movement
KKK- was spawn from democrats
Eradication of Jews 1940's (holocaust) - Hitler a member of the National Socialist Workers Party aka a hardcore leftist.
Planned parenthood - a leftist organization, created for the sole purpose to eradicate blacks, (do some research on Margaret Sanger)
Slavery - Democrats were proponents.

Look at all the “right wingers” shown below.
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There's a whole lot more to the Constitution then the 2nd amendment - but that's the only part that you wingnuts seem to know about.

The 2nd amendment does not give an unlimited right to bear arms. It's questionable whether it gives any right to the individual. It's exact wording indicate that the "Right of the people to bears arms" is justification for and satisfied by "A well regulated militia", not by each individual owning arms. That's why they are contained in the same sentence:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If you could read English, you'd know that the second and third phrases are adjective phrases describing "A well regulated militia"

The entire sentence means:
"A well regulated Militia... shall not be infringed."

I'm not about to research the political leaning of every mass murderer, but it's obvious that your extremely biased on the issue and are posting pure bullshit.

 

[Richard-H]

Could you please post an example of this?

You posted:

"If you think outlawing guns will stop these killings, you’re fooling yourself."

Yet, it's been proven in many countries and during the time that the Brady bill was in force, gun laws do extremely reduce the incidence of mass murders.