The People Cheering the UnitedHealthcare CEO Shooting

There is no justifying this kind of vigilantism. At the same time, it is surprising people such as this CEO don't realize they cannot keep abusing people forever without someone feeling pushed too far.
 
The administrative costs of Medicaid and Medicare are far, far lower than the costs of private insurance administration.

After all, that CEO had to be paid $10 million along with all the other well-paid employees.

You got proof to back that up?

And those government employees get big old pensions that have to be covered as well.
 
Let me explain the problem with for-profit insurance companies.

My father was an insurance underwriter for 30 years before he quit in disgust, and he explained the problem to me.

My wife was involved in an auto accident. She was T-boned by a 17 year old who ran a light. She suffered a minor back injury.

Our auto insurance covered the cost of repair except for a $250 deductible. I called the kid's insurance company and asked them to reimburse me $250.

They declined and said I would have to sue them for it. I said that makes no sense since a lawsuit would result in them having to pay me a lot more than $250. They told me to sue.

So I called my dad, very confused.

He explained insurance companies have a profit margin. The more costs go up, the more they have to raise insurance rates, and therefore the more profit they make.

If your insurance is $100, for example. And they have a ten percent margin, they make $10.

But if costs go up, and now your insurance is $200, they make $20.

And that is why health care costs and insurance costs go up. It's all about profit margins.
 
Let me explain the problem with for-profit insurance companies.

My father was an insurance underwriter for 30 years before he quit in disgust, and he explained the problem to me.

My wife was involved in an auto accident. She was T-boned by a 17 year old who ran a light. She suffered a minor back injury.

Our auto insurance covered the cost of repair except for a $250 deductible. I called the kid's insurance company and asked them to reimburse me $250.

They declined and said I would have to sue them for it. I said that makes no sense since a lawsuit would result in them having to pay me a lot more than $250. They told me to sue.

So I called my dad, very confused.

He explained insurance companies have a profit margin. The more costs go up, the more they have to raise insurance rates, and therefore the more profit they make.

If your insurance is $100, for example. And they have a ten percent margin, they make $10.

But if costs go up, and now your insurance is $200, they make $20.

And that is why health care costs and insurance costs go up. It's all about profit margins.

How much have their profits gone up adjusted for inflation?
 
There is no justifying this kind of vigilantism. At the same time, it is surprising people such as this CEO don't realize they cannot keep abusing people forever without someone feeling pushed too far.
Your hypocrisy is blindingly scummy.

You say 'there is no justifying...' then you go on and try to justify it.

Go fuck yourself. A man is dead because of scumbags like you. Too weak and too immoral to condemn murder...

I despise dimocrap scum with every fiber of my being. You deserve it. E
 
You got proof to back that up?

And those government employees get big old pensions that have to be covered as well.
To measure the administrative costs for Medicare, we turned to the 2017 Annual Report of the Boards of Trustees of the Federal Hospital Insurance and Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Funds -- the document prepared by Medicare’s fiscal overseers.

The trustees’ summary listed total Medicare expenditures of $678.7 billion for 2016, of which $9.2 billion was characterized as "administrative expenses." That works out to 1.4 percent, which is even lower than what Sanders stated.

That covers salaries and expenses, patient outreach, and fraud and abuse control by the Health and Human Services, Justice Department and FBI, among other things.


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Average insurers’ overhead costs are about 12.4 percent, according to an April 2017 Annals of Internal Medicine article by Steffie Woolhandler and David U. Himmelstein. A February report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research totaled overhead costs for private individual and employer based plans at 12.3 percent in 2015. And America’s Health Insurance Plans found that 17.8 cents of every premium dollar goes to operating costs.



Also, think about this. An average doctor's office has to deal with a multitude of insurance companies and their varying billing codes and processes.


Each year, health care payers and providers in the United States spend about $496 billion on billing and insurance-related (BIR) costs, according to Center for American Progress estimates presented in this issue brief. As health care costs continue to rise, a logical starting point for potential savings is addressing waste. A 2010 report by the National Academy of Medicine (NAM) estimated that the United States spends about twice as much as necessary on BIR costs.2 That administrative excess currently amounts to $248 billion annually, according to CAP’s calculations.


 
Your hypocrisy is blindingly scummy.

You say 'there is no justifying...' then you go on and try to justify it.

Go fuck yourself. A man is dead because of scumbags like you. Too weak and too immoral to condemn murder...

I despise dimocrap scum with every fiber of my being. You deserve it. E
Thompson got the same thoughts and prayers we dish out to shot school children.

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The problem with health care isn't "profit". It's cost sharing. The more we try to do that, the more we think we can get something for nothing, the worse things will get.
 
To measure the administrative costs for Medicare, we turned to the 2017 Annual Report of the Boards of Trustees of the Federal Hospital Insurance and Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Funds -- the document prepared by Medicare’s fiscal overseers.

The trustees’ summary listed total Medicare expenditures of $678.7 billion for 2016, of which $9.2 billion was characterized as "administrative expenses." That works out to 1.4 percent, which is even lower than what Sanders stated.

That covers salaries and expenses, patient outreach, and fraud and abuse control by the Health and Human Services, Justice Department and FBI, among other things.


[snip]


Average insurers’ overhead costs are about 12.4 percent, according to an April 2017 Annals of Internal Medicine article by Steffie Woolhandler and David U. Himmelstein. A February report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research totaled overhead costs for private individual and employer based plans at 12.3 percent in 2015. And America’s Health Insurance Plans found that 17.8 cents of every premium dollar goes to operating costs.



Also, think about this. An average doctor's office has to deal with a multitude of insurance companies and their varying billing codes and processes.


Each year, health care payers and providers in the United States spend about $496 billion on billing and insurance-related (BIR) costs, according to Center for American Progress estimates presented in this issue brief. As health care costs continue to rise, a logical starting point for potential savings is addressing waste. A 2010 report by the National Academy of Medicine (NAM) estimated that the United States spends about twice as much as necessary on BIR costs.2 That administrative excess currently amounts to $248 billion annually, according to CAP’s calculations.



And doesn't include the oversight from those said agencies and parts of the government they get help with.

Also probably doesn't cover the pensions of their workers, because that is covered by the general federal pension.
 
I never hear them say that.
Wow. They say it all the time. Whether it's "Medicare for All" or "single-payer health care" or "socialized medicine", they've been saying it for literally decades.


Obama was already facing strong pushback for his ACA plan, so of course he wasn't going to promote single-payer. The country wasn't ready for it yet.

However, he promoted single-payer back in 2003:




And he promoted Medicare For All in 2018: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/07/obamamidterm-campaigning-medicare-for-all-810764


So I really don't see how you could have missed the fact the Democrats have been pushing socialized medicine for a long time.



I know what it tells me. Both parties are slaves to greed.
Not so much. They are slaves to oligarchs and their campaign donations. And they are slaves to power above country.

And no one is addicted to power more than Trump.


That's why I was hoping he would succeed.
How can Trump succeed if he doesn't actually have a plan and just lies about it?


By both parties.
No. As I said, the Democrats have been totally open and honest about their desire to enact single payer health care.

The Republicans have been dishonest in their token resistance.
 
Thompson got the same thoughts and prayers we dish out to shot school children.

Next
IOW, none.

Your side used the corpses of those little kids to advance your twisted political goals. Before they were even cold, your side was screaming at the top of their diseased lungs about Gun Control. Still are. Your side will use any excuse to further their sick, twisted, diseased agenda

Sick fucks, all of you. Eat shit
 
IOW, none.

Your side used the corpses of those little kids to advance your twisted political goals. Before they were even cold, your side was screaming at the top of their diseased lungs about Gun Control. Still are. Your side will use any excuse to further their sick, twisted, diseased agenda

Sick fucks, all of you. Eat shit
So Luigi used the second amendment solution. He sounds like your kinda guy.
 
Your hypocrisy is blindingly scummy.

You say 'there is no justifying...' then you go on and try to justify it.

Go fuck yourself. A man is dead because of scumbags like you. Too weak and too immoral to condemn murder...

I despise dimocrap scum with every fiber of my being. You deserve it. E
I think we all know that if George Soros were shot today, you and the entire MAGA-verse would be jumping for joy.
 
And introduce mediocre care.
Those developed countries with UHC live longer than we do.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favor of UHC, but facts are facts.

I've offered a free market solution countless times on this forum.
 
Single-payer health care is now inevitable, due to the total inaction of the GOP to do anything about the utterly disastrous patchwork wreck that is our health care system.

I would be the least surprised person in America if Trump came out with a single-payer health care plan.

Exactly two milliseconds later, the entire MAGA-verse would spin on a dime and give it their full-throated support.

If Trump wants to go down in history for other than his two impeachments and attempted coup, this is the way he can make a permanent legacy.
 

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