Zone1 Was The Garden Of Eden A Real Place?

I have always considered the Garden of Eden story as allegorical rather than an actual place, but have no problem with anybody who believes it existed and Adam and Eve were actual people. Whichever way one believes I think is harmless and God is okay with it. I don't try to talk anybody out of their beliefs on that because I don't see it as important.

If I was teaching school on the evolution of homo sapiens and had students who brought up the Creation stories that don't fit the science, I would assure them that nobody knows for certain how it all began and I am not going to tell anybody what to believe. But we do have to know the science that is in the science books so you'll have to answer the questions on the test according to the answers in the books even if you believe they're wrong. Okay?
That depends on which 'book' you're teaching from. If an evolutionary biology book, then evolution will likely be believed. If a book on anatomy, then creation would likely be believed. Critical thinking would also favor creation as well.
 
I refuse to argue religious faith with anybody. I will express my own beliefs but I allow people to believe what they believe without interference from me unless that belief is harmful to others in a physical or material way. I will as much as possible try to get through to people whose beliefs are acted out in ways that are injurious physically or materially to others. For instance, I strenuously opposed a short lived campaign by a Christian group to get Ellen DeGeneres fired as spokesperson for J.C. Penney for no other reason than she was lesbian. Her ads did not promote anything other than J.C. Penney products. The Westboro Baptist tactics should be condoned by nobody with any sense of fair play or ethics.

But if my shirttail cousin is a flat Earther no matter how irrational that might seem to others, she harms nobody with her beliefs. I don't argue with her about them but just change the subject.

But for sure there are some truly mean spirited people who will try to destroy another's religious faith and they are not at all kind in how they do it. And those with dogmatic beliefs will presume to judge anybody who doesn't share those beliefs. I have always shuddered to think of how many people were pushed to reject God/Jesus because of the ugly manner in which He was introduced to them. I don't know a soul who came to know the Lord by being told he/she was going to hell.
Right.
One thing that even Christians don't get is you can't blame God for anything.
God stopped interfering long ago.
And when you ask for help you're asking the Holy Spirit, not God.
The Holy Spirit is that voice that tells you what you need to know. It's your conscience.
Course Satan is always trying to mislead us at the same time.
It's easier to screw up than it is to do the right thing.
The people who are running the White House have turned their backs on the Holy Spirit and only care about themselves.
The more evil you do the worse you become.
You have to have principles and rules for yourself.
One thing I noticed with Obama was he didn't like following rules.
That's why he was so dangerous.
He was a sociopath.
Somebody like Obama or Biden are easy to mislead because they have no core principles.
Greed and lust for power.

I have been given opportunities in my life to go down that road, but my conscience told me no.
 
Right.
One thing that even Christians don't get is you can't blame God for anything.
God stopped interfering long ago.
And when you ask for help you're asking the Holy Spirit, not God.
The Holy Spirit is that voice that tells you what you need to know. It's your conscience.
Course Satan is always trying to mislead us at the same time.
It's easier to screw up than it is to do the right thing.
The people who are running the White House have turned their backs on the Holy Spirit and only care about themselves.
The more evil you do the worse you become.
You have to have principles and rules for yourself.
One thing I noticed with Obama was he didn't like following rules.
That's why he was so dangerous.
He was a sociopath.
Somebody like Obama or Biden are easy to mislead because they have no core principles.
Greed and lust for power.

I have been given opportunities in my life to go down that road, but my conscience told me no.

Obama had no scandals and no convicted felons. What kind of Christian are you?
 
That depends on which 'book' you're teaching from. If an evolutionary biology book, then evolution will likely be believed. If a book on anatomy then creation would likely be believed.
How so? I studied quite a bit of anatomy in high school and college biology classes and then further brushed up on anatomical terms when working for hospitals for several years. And none of that shook my faith in the science or that the Creation stories in the Bible were explanations or theological statements rather than based on anything that actually happened as described.

I fully believe God is the Creator of all that we know exists and most likely whatever is out there that we don't know exists. There have been no nudges from the Holy Spirit that challenged my belief about that. Nor my personal interpretation of the Genesis creation stories for that matter. But whether I am right or the literalists are right does not affect world peace or anything else physically or materially important to anybody.

Again, I believe we all are going to have a really good laugh when we get to Heaven and find out how wrong we were about a whole lot of things.
 
Right.
One thing that even Christians don't get is you can't blame God for anything.
God stopped interfering long ago.
And when you ask for help you're asking the Holy Spirit, not God.
The Holy Spirit is that voice that tells you what you need to know. It's your conscience.
Course Satan is always trying to mislead us at the same time.
It's easier to screw up than it is to do the right thing.
The people who are running the White House have turned their backs on the Holy Spirit and only care about themselves.
The more evil you do the worse you become.
You have to have principles and rules for yourself.
One thing I noticed with Obama was he didn't like following rules.
That's why he was so dangerous.
He was a sociopath.
Somebody like Obama or Biden are easy to mislead because they have no core principles.
Greed and lust for power.

I have been given opportunities in my life to go down that road, but my conscience told me no.
I disagree that God stopped interfering long ago. I have had too many personal experiences that I am confident it was God intervening. But I long ago stopped trying to tell God how to do things as I think such prayers are futile and perhaps harmful to me.

As for the spiritual state of others, I also think that's above my proverbial pay grade and I choose not to judge that but rather judge what they do. There is much to criticize and blame though in what they do.
 
I disagree that God stopped interfering long ago. I have had too many personal experiences that I am confident it was God intervening. But I long ago stopped trying to tell God how to do things as I think such prayers are futile and perhaps harmful to me.

As for the spiritual state of others, I also think that's above my proverbial pay grade and I choose not to judge that but rather judge what they do. There is much to criticize and blame though in what they do.
I think you're confusing God with the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God.....same thing.

The Holy Spirit can protect us.
 
Greed and lust for power.

so claim the christians -

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when others win and they are left with their own devices for approval ...
 
I'm sorry, but if you don't know what cut& paste means by now then I'm talking to an idiot.
Your reply is idiotic indeed - I do not need to copy&paste nor cut&paste the posts that I write - since I am educated enough to know as to what I write about - and as such being INDIVIDUAL responses to others posts.
And when it comes to history, the victor controls what goes in the history books.
The victor does NOT control history - but tries to take INFLUENCE onto it, via his own history books - as such when the Monotheistic believers of Canaan - took control of Canaanite territory, they erased and manipulated previous historic records - and replaced them with their self-written Bible - calling themselves Hebrews and additionally trying to paint their storybook as being the only true record of History. - emphasizing their claim via telling people, and suppressing them towards their belief, that the Bible contains God's words. Same goes for all these desert religions.
The entire purpose of archeology is to not to prove your assumptions about ancient history but to discover anything that we don't already know about it.
Nonsense - archeology is based on historic records&legends, and existing/known or accidentally discovered ancient sites. E.g. caves. Nobody simply starts digging blindly in random places. Archeological evidence then either confirms or disapproves known historic records.

Therefore my "assumptions" are based on FACTUAL archeological EVIDENCE - and not on some self-written book and it's non-proven propagated content.

E.g. the "claimed" discovery of Homer's Troy via archeological excavations - was simply based onto Schliemann having read the epic poem of the Iliad&Odyssey by Homer - and thought that it might not just be a simple kiddo story or legend. Hence he chose the known site of Hisarlik in Turkey to dig, and ended up unearthing a civilization that had flourished long before the time of Troy itself, as well as the Greek Mycenaean sites of Mycenae and Tiryns.
The Bible is history, but as Jesus once said, many of the stories contained in the Bible are "parables" not actual events. Also, the Bible doesn't include the entirety of human history but instead focuses on the tribe of Israel, meaning Abraham's descendants.
The self-written Bible is claimed as being History, "solely" by Hebrews and their desert religion offspring's. And beholds known myth's and legends that were for millennia, already in existence by other KNOWN and proven civilizations, before that story-book was ever written.

I'm sure there were other tribes that were in existence after the days of the Babylonian Empire.
Great!! Every learned person in regards to history and archeology knows that - and it has absolutely nothing to do with those invented Hebrew stories, nor as to what you "personally" are sure about. You might just as well write "I am sure about night follows the day" or if you prefer "I am sure day follows upon night".

Feel free to, stick to your kiddo-believes based onto a self-written and totally unsubstantiated Hebrew book. Even if one would find those e.g. Moses/commandment slabs - it would only prove that some Hebrew scholar/follower scribbled them.

If they find the tablet's, If they find the Garden of Eden, If they find those Egyptian chariots in the Red-Sea, keep on Iffing. However according to YOUR Bible - human mankind starts with Adam&Eve around 4000 B.C. on day 6, not even to mention the ludicrous claim, that the same God created an inhabitable earth in 7 days, plus stars and the moon.

Since you furthermore even "ludicrously" claim that the Germanic tribes, fiefs and kingdoms were of Hebrew origin - I do not see any reason as to why I should engage in any further discussion/debate with you. Nor with anyone else that simply and only recites the content of a self-written, kiddo-like Hebrew storybook.
 
The scientific approach is what got us in trouble in the first place. :omg:
Naturally or logically - since science clearly refutes the idea and necessity of a "superior creator" and as such any religion that bases it's believe or existence onto a God. (excludes naturally those scientists, that behold a religious belief or tendency).

Mankind at it's present brain capacity, and therefore existing math/physics approach/knowledge, can't even explain the "infinite" aka endless. Therefore "human" scientists will most likely never be able to find the answers they seek - AI however might offer a probable solution one day.
 
Naturally or logically - since science clearly refutes the idea and necessity of a "superior creator" and as such any religion that bases it's believe or existence onto a God. (excludes naturally those scientists, that behold a religious belief or tendency).

Mankind at it's present brain capacity, and therefore existing math/physics approach/knowledge, can't even explain the "infinite" aka endless. Therefore "human" scientists will most likely never be able to find the answers they seek - AI however might offer a probable solution one day.
you are an idiot and prove it every time you whine about religion.
 
you are an idiot and prove it every time you whine about religion.
Nope - only people like YOU "whine" about religion - whilst having no proof whatsoever. Apart from reciting endlessly a Hebrew kiddo-book - whilst claiming others to be idiots.

I simply relate between proven scientific and archeological findings.

BTW as surada had stated already, and I can only fully confirm this: I've never had any problem discussing religion with Muslims.
 
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Man was driven OUT of Eden. So they were driven off the planet?
Yes, at that time. They were driven off the surface of our planet. These Men were Giants that were exiled into the center of Earth or the Hollow Earth. These Giant Humans still live there now.
 
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The scientific approach is what got us in trouble in the first place. :omg:

Absolutely. That's why the fundamentalists dug in their heels circa 1910 and rejected science and modernity. They took a giant step backwards .. The Scopes Monkey Trial is just one result

Happened all the time.. look at what happens when Muslims do the same thing...reacting to their fear of science and modernity.
 
I disagree that God stopped interfering long ago. I have had too many personal experiences that I am confident it was God intervening. But I long ago stopped trying to tell God how to do things as I think such prayers are futile and perhaps harmful to me.

As for the spiritual state of others, I also think that's above my proverbial pay grade and I choose not to judge that but rather judge what they do. There is much to criticize and blame though in what they do.
Part of Godly love, agape, is the ability to discern, mainly good and evil. I discern that there is a lot of evil going on here that most are unaware of. :omg:
 
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How so? I studied quite a bit of anatomy in high school and college biology classes and then further brushed up on anatomical terms when working for hospitals for several years. And none of that shook my faith in the science or that the Creation stories in the Bible were explanations or theological statements rather than based on anything that actually happened as described.

I fully believe God is the Creator of all that we know exists and most likely whatever is out there that we don't know exists. There have been no nudges from the Holy Spirit that challenged my belief about that. Nor my personal interpretation of the Genesis creation stories for that matter. But whether I am right or the literalists are right does not affect world peace or anything else physically or materially important to anybody.

Again, I believe we all are going to have a really good laugh when we get to Heaven and find out how wrong we were about a whole lot of things.
The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.
 
Naturally or logically - since science clearly refutes the idea and necessity of a "superior creator" and as such any religion that bases it's believe or existence onto a God. (excludes naturally those scientists, that behold a religious belief or tendency).

Mankind at it's present brain capacity, and therefore existing math/physics approach/knowledge, can't even explain the "infinite" aka endless. Therefore "human" scientists will most likely never be able to find the answers they seek - AI however might offer a probable solution one day.
I'll take God's revelation over man's experimentation in spiritual matters any day.
 
you are an idiot and prove it every time you whine about religion.

Have you ever been out of the United States? Christians have more in common with Muslims and Jews than differences. We should cherish our similarities and respect our differences. Or, maybe you're confused. Are you actually talking about nationalism and racism?
 
Absolutely. That's why the fundamentalists dug in their heels circa 1910 and rejected science and modernity. They took a giant step backwards .. The Scopes Monkey Trial is just one result

Happened all the time.. look at what happens when Muslims do the same thing...reacting to their fear of science and modernity.
I'm referring to the mindset of Eve.
 
Have you ever been out of the United States? Christians have more in common with Muslims and Jews than differences. We should cherish our similarities and respect our differences. Or, maybe you're confused. Are you actually talking about nationalism and racism?
Muslims are dangerous there are 2 factions, one believes they will take over via the birth rate and conversion of non-believers, the other believes that murder war and destruction will do that faster. Both believe that Muslims must rule the world.
 
Muslims are dangerous there are 2 factions, one believes they will take over via the birth rate and conversion of non-believers, the other believes that murder war and destruction will do that faster. Both believe that Muslims must rule the world.
The Jews believe that they will rule the world as well. Maybe that's why there's so much animosity between them.
 

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