Zone1 Was The Garden Of Eden A Real Place?

[rylah]

Hebrews in Ebla were the first civilization
to record family chronology,
usually the royalty.

 

[mudwhistle]

More than most.

If You're Hebrew, they tell You,
or You know anyway, can't run away from that.

The Hebrew tribe was the origins of the Germanic tribes in the Middle-Ages.
My family came from Germany, Norway, Italy, England, Scotland and a few others.
It's possible I may have Hebrew blood. I think just about everyone white has.
But when it comes to religion, I'm Protestant.
Course I feel a strong kinship to Jews and Israel.
I consider them to be distant cousins.

 

[Kruska]

The Hebrew tribe was the origins of the Germanic tribes in the Middle-Ages.

 

[Kruska]

Hebrews in Ebla were the first civilization
to record family chronology,
usually the royalty.

Ebla has nothing to do with Hebrews, nor with practicing an official monotheistic religion - and it's writings are Sumerian cuneiform - which also applies towards the Eblaite language/writings, making use of Sumerian logograms.

Its location apparently gave Ebla exposure to several religious cultures. Although Sumerian gods were also honored, the Canaanite god El has been found at the top of a list of deities worshiped there. Other well-known Semitic deities appearing at Ebla include Dagan, Ishtar, and Hadad, plus several Sumerian gods such as (Enki and Ninki (Ninlil), and the Hurrian deities (Ashtapi, Hebat, and Ishara). Some otherwise unknown gods are also mentioned, namely Kura and Nidakul.

The inhabitants of the e.g. 2700B.C. "City State" of Ebla were Semites just as the Sumerians and closely related with them - most likely additionally mixed with folks originating from today's Turkey, and around 2000 B.C. termed as Akkadian civilization, then became a part of an overall mixed population, of which some around 1600 B.C. resided in what the Egyptians referred to as Canaan and being controlled and fought over by the Hittites and Egyptians. Whilst the other same mixed population resided in what became the Assyrian Empire.

Hey, them Assyrians must have been Hebrews.

The religion of Ebla was polytheistic and primarily Canaanite. Dabir was the city’s patron god, but Dagon, Sipish, Hadad, Balatu, and Astarte were also worshiped. The language of Ebla was a hitherto unknown Canaanite dialect, most closely akin to the Northwest Semitic languages. The script of the tablets, however, is Sumerian cuneiform, with closest similarity to tablets from Adab and Abū Salābīkh (now in Iraq). Texts reveal that Sumerian teachers came to Ebla, and the presence of a “Canal of Ebla” near Adab attests that Eblaites went to Sumer as well. Vocabularies, syllabaries, gazetteers, and student exercises that have been recovered show that Ebla was a major educational centre. The completeness of Ebla’s texts, which at points duplicate fragmentary texts from Sumer, greatly enhances the modern study of Sumerian.

The downfall of Ebla is attributed to the Amorite - also a Semitic group that is "suspected" nowadays to originate from today's Arabian peninsula - hey, they must have been Hebrews!!

Amorite, member of an ancient Semitic-speaking people who dominated the history of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine from about 2000 to about 1600 bc. In the oldest cuneiform sources (c. 2400–c. 2000 bc), the Amorites were equated with the West, though their true place of origin was most likely Arabia, not Syria. They were troublesome nomads and were believed to be one of the causes of the downfall of the 3rd dynasty of Ur (c. 2112–c. 2004 bc).

Your claim of Ebla being a "Hebrew" enclave or city - is based on the same Zionist fantasy agenda - as the non-proven claim by Hebrew scribblers as to the Hyksos having been Hebrews. Basically any Semitic - Mesopotamian culture/civilization ends up being claimed by Zionists as being Hebrews.

As for a rather unknown, but highly developed culture and civilization you might want to check out the Elamites and their linear Elamite cuneiform language writing.

- City State of Susa, around 4000-3500 B.C. They are IMO a "link" between the Sumerian and Indus culture. - hey they must have been Hebrews. !! oh wait it must have clearly been the Kassites !!, since they supposedly invented the boundary stone "kudurru" to claim lands from the Sumerians and Elamites.

 

[surada]

Ebla has nothing to do with Hebrews, nor with practicing an official monotheistic religion - and it's writings are Sumerian cuneiform - which also applies towards the Eblaite language/writings, making use of Sumerian logograms.

Its location apparently gave Ebla exposure to several religious cultures. Although Sumerian gods were also honored, the Canaanite god El has been found at the top of a list of deities worshiped there. Other well-known Semitic deities appearing at Ebla include Dagan, Ishtar, and Hadad, plus several Sumerian gods such as (Enki and Ninki (Ninlil), and the Hurrian deities (Ashtapi, Hebat, and Ishara). Some otherwise unknown gods are also mentioned, namely Kura and Nidakul.

The inhabitants of the e.g. 2700B.C. "City State" of Ebla were Semites just as the Sumerians and closely related with them - most likely additionally mixed with folks originating from today's Turkey, and around 2000 B.C. termed as Akkadian civilization, then became a part of an overall mixed population, of which some around 1600 B.C. resided in what the Egyptians referred to as Canaan and being controlled and fought over by the Hittites and Egyptians. Whilst the other same mixed population resided in what became the Assyrian Empire.

Hey, them Assyrians must have been Hebrews.

The religion of Ebla was polytheistic and primarily Canaanite. Dabir was the city’s patron god, but Dagon, Sipish, Hadad, Balatu, and Astarte were also worshiped. The language of Ebla was a hitherto unknown Canaanite dialect, most closely akin to the Northwest Semitic languages. The script of the tablets, however, is Sumerian cuneiform, with closest similarity to tablets from Adab and Abū Salābīkh (now in Iraq). Texts reveal that Sumerian teachers came to Ebla, and the presence of a “Canal of Ebla” near Adab attests that Eblaites went to Sumer as well. Vocabularies, syllabaries, gazetteers, and student exercises that have been recovered show that Ebla was a major educational centre. The completeness of Ebla’s texts, which at points duplicate fragmentary texts from Sumer, greatly enhances the modern study of Sumerian.

The downfall of Ebla is attributed to the Amorite - also a Semitic group that is "suspected" nowadays to originate from today's Arabian peninsula - hey, they must have been Hebrews!!

Amorite, member of an ancient Semitic-speaking people who dominated the history of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine from about 2000 to about 1600 bc. In the oldest cuneiform sources (c. 2400–c. 2000 bc), the Amorites were equated with the West, though their true place of origin was most likely Arabia, not Syria. They were troublesome nomads and were believed to be one of the causes of the downfall of the 3rd dynasty of Ur (c. 2112–c. 2004 bc).

Your claim of Ebla being a "Hebrew" enclave or city - is based on the same Zionist fantasy agenda - as the non-proven claim by Hebrew scribblers as to the Hyksos having been Hebrews. Basically any Semitic - Mesopotamian culture/civilization ends up being claimed by Zionists as being Hebrews.

As for a rather unknown, but highly developed culture and civilization you might want to check out the Elamites and their linear Elamite cuneiform language writing.

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- City State of Susa, around 4000-3500 B.C. They are IMO a "link" between the Sumerian and Indus culture. - hey they must have been Hebrews. !! oh wait it must have clearly been the Kassites !!, since they supposedly invented the boundary stone "kudurru" to claim lands from the Sumerians and Elamites.

Great post.

 

[surada]

The Hebrew tribe was the origins of the Germanic tribes in the Middle-Ages.
My family came from Germany, Norway, Italy, England, Scotland and a few others.
It's possible I may have Hebrew blood. I think just about everyone white has.
But when it comes to religion, I'm Protestant.
Course I feel a strong kinship to Jews and Israel.
I consider them to be distant cousins.

What about the Germanic Goths?

 

[BreezeWood]

What about the Germanic Goths?

howabout the - han chinese - yamato japanese ... did mudwhistle and the flaming bush guy mention them as part of the family too.

 

[Kruska]

What about the Germanic Goths?

Interestingly, archeological evidence settles them in today's Russia/Volga area (Nizchny-Novgorod/Kazan/Samara at around 4000 B.C. And it is hypothesized that they originate like many other migration-streams - starting at around 8000-6000 B.C. from today's Xinjiang vicinity. - must have been Hebrews.!!

 

[rylah]

Ebla has nothing to do with Hebrews, nor with practicing an official monotheistic religion - and it's writings are Sumerian cuneiform - which also applies towards the Eblaite language/writings, making use of Sumerian logograms.

Its location apparently gave Ebla exposure to several religious cultures. Although Sumerian gods were also honored, the Canaanite god El has been found at the top of a list of deities worshiped there. Other well-known Semitic deities appearing at Ebla include Dagan, Ishtar, and Hadad, plus several Sumerian gods such as (Enki and Ninki (Ninlil), and the Hurrian deities (Ashtapi, Hebat, and Ishara). Some otherwise unknown gods are also mentioned, namely Kura and Nidakul.

The inhabitants of the e.g. 2700B.C. "City State" of Ebla were Semites just as the Sumerians and closely related with them - most likely additionally mixed with folks originating from today's Turkey, and around 2000 B.C. termed as Akkadian civilization, then became a part of an overall mixed population, of which some around 1600 B.C. resided in what the Egyptians referred to as Canaan and being controlled and fought over by the Hittites and Egyptians. Whilst the other same mixed population resided in what became the Assyrian Empire.

Hey, them Assyrians must have been Hebrews.

The religion of Ebla was polytheistic and primarily Canaanite. Dabir was the city’s patron god, but Dagon, Sipish, Hadad, Balatu, and Astarte were also worshiped. The language of Ebla was a hitherto unknown Canaanite dialect, most closely akin to the Northwest Semitic languages. The script of the tablets, however, is Sumerian cuneiform, with closest similarity to tablets from Adab and Abū Salābīkh (now in Iraq). Texts reveal that Sumerian teachers came to Ebla, and the presence of a “Canal of Ebla” near Adab attests that Eblaites went to Sumer as well. Vocabularies, syllabaries, gazetteers, and student exercises that have been recovered show that Ebla was a major educational centre. The completeness of Ebla’s texts, which at points duplicate fragmentary texts from Sumer, greatly enhances the modern study of Sumerian.

The downfall of Ebla is attributed to the Amorite - also a Semitic group that is "suspected" nowadays to originate from today's Arabian peninsula - hey, they must have been Hebrews!!

Amorite, member of an ancient Semitic-speaking people who dominated the history of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine from about 2000 to about 1600 bc. In the oldest cuneiform sources (c. 2400–c. 2000 bc), the Amorites were equated with the West, though their true place of origin was most likely Arabia, not Syria. They were troublesome nomads and were believed to be one of the causes of the downfall of the 3rd dynasty of Ur (c. 2112–c. 2004 bc).

Your claim of Ebla being a "Hebrew" enclave or city - is based on the same Zionist fantasy agenda - as the non-proven claim by Hebrew scribblers as to the Hyksos having been Hebrews. Basically any Semitic - Mesopotamian culture/civilization ends up being claimed by Zionists as being Hebrews.

As for a rather unknown, but highly developed culture and civilization you might want to check out the Elamites and their linear Elamite cuneiform language writing.

View attachment 913335

- City State of Susa, around 4000-3500 B.C. They are IMO a "link" between the Sumerian and Indus culture. - hey they must have been Hebrews. !! oh wait it must have clearly been the Kassites !!, since they supposedly invented the boundary stone "kudurru" to claim lands from the Sumerians and Elamites.

Nothing at all - except Ebla's kings and rulers,
were the very characters in Genesis.

The need to dismiss anything so blindly at hand,
without even addressing the evidence to the opposite,
only puts more emphasis on the very thing you try to deny.

The same with attempts to "not see" anything of historic Moses...

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I believe the Garden of Eden was our whole planet that was called Eden where Humans first appeared

Man was driven OUT of Eden. So they were driven off the planet?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Hebrew tribe was the origins of the Germanic tribes in the Middle-Ages.
My family came from Germany, Norway, Italy, England, Scotland and a few others.
It's possible I may have Hebrew blood. I think just about everyone white has.
But when it comes to religion, I'm Protestant.
Course I feel a strong kinship to Jews and Israel.
I consider them to be distant cousins.

Yes, the people of Northwest Europe are various tribes of Israel. The British and American settlers are Joseph, one of the Twelve Tribes

 

[BreezeWood]

The same with attempts to "not see" anything of historic Moses...

why don't you solve the mystery and provide the tablets the liar moses claimed were etched in the heavens ...

 

[rylah]

why don't you solve the mystery and provide the tablets the liar moses claimed were etched in the heavens ...

So you too want to see the Temple rebuilt?

The conflict of curiosity and denial in fear
of loosing your idols must be a joy.

 

[BreezeWood]

Man was driven OUT of Eden. So they were driven off the planet?

they choose their presence as their own determination, rather than servitude to earn their own way - there is not a gateway they arrived from somewhere else to return to.

either way, failure abounds.

 

[BreezeWood]

So you too want to see the Temple rebuilt?

The conflict of curiosity and denial in fear
of loosing your idols must be a joy.

that is where the jews have failed, they should build their temple and share the land or even give it up. and live wherever they please - there is nothing heavenly about a jew nation. or any religious nation.

their false attitude by the liar abraham of being special is for them to put to rest or deservedly perish by their own self made contempt and greed.

 

[Kruska]

Nothing at all - except Ebla's kings and rulers,
were the very characters in Genesis.

Only goes to proof that this self-written Hebrew-book - also beholds a collection of previous known occurrences/legends, recorded by other civilizations, predating the Bible by thousands of years. Summarized and then fabricated accordingly, to solely suit the Zionist agenda - dating from around 800.B.C. onward.

Moses only exists in the Judaic tradition/fantasy and it's desert religions offspring's - to lay claim onto a "promised land" and the "justification" to implement laws "commandments" (claimed to be given by their God) onto the Hebrews.

It is PROVEN (historically recorded) that a monotheistic belief - originating in Egypt at around 1500 B.C. had spread across Egyptian held and influenced territory. This Egyptian Dynasty (three kings) was militarily severely beaten by the Hittites - (could very well explain the Bible invention of the Moses Red-Sea devastation of the Egyptian army), thus causing a power-vacuum in e.g. Canaan. Therefore allowing Semitic people that lived and adhered to this monotheistic belief (hence being termed Israelite's by the Egyptians) in Canaan - to revolt against the established Semitic elites in Canaan that practiced theistic religions. Thus conquering/attacking and probably even peacefully "converting" - several Canaanite cities towards their religious belief.

E.g. Israeli archaeologists Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman, dispelled any illusions that their digs had verified the story of the Egyptian Exodus:

“The process that we describe here is, in fact, the opposite of what we have in the Bible: the emergence of early Israel was an outcome of the collapse of the Canaanite culture, not its cause. And most of the Israelites did not come from outside Canaan – they emerged from within it. There was no mass Exodus from Egypt. There was no violent conquest of Canaan. Most of the people who formed early Israel were local people – the same people whom we see in the highlands throughout the Bronze and Iron Ages. The early Israelites were – irony of ironies – themselves originally Canaanites!" [1] (Finkelstein & Silberman The Bible Unearthed, 118)

It is also (historically recorded) by the Egyptians, documenting their war and destruction of "Israelite held" cities in Canaan at around 1150 B.C. Around 300 years later the survivors of this monotheistic religion were still living in Canaan (Egyptian text reporting - (Israel has been destroyed - it's seed however continues to live on).

With both Egyptian and Hittite power deteriorating/vanishing in Canaan aka the Levant, and being replaced mostly by the Philistine conquerors/invaders - those still being faithful towards their monotheistic believes - then battled it out with the Philistines and others living in Canaan, INVENTED the Bible from around 800 B.C. onward - hence referring to themselves as Hebrews - simply to lay a "religious claim" (backed solely by their own invented God's words and promises) onto previous Philistine and others controlled land and cities and neighbor kingdoms - especially towards the Assyrians - resulting in the Hebrew Kingdom of David and Solomon which lasted from around 800 B.C. to 550 B.C.

You got anything else to offer besides citing your self-written Bible, and some self-written Wiki article?

 

[Moonglow]

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It's said that where the Tigrus and Euphrates meet it is the most fertile soil on the planet.

This is supposed to be originally the area that the Garden of Eden was located.

This is in Iraq.

One of my buddies who spent time in Iraq after Desert Storm said there's a place in Iraq where you can grow anything without fertilizer or water.

Where Is The Garden Of Eden? And Where Would It Be Located Today?

The Bible suggests the Garden of Eden is located somewhere between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.

www.iflscience.com

Globally Important Iraqi Marshes Designated As A World Heritage Site

Globally Important Iraqi Marshes Designated As A World Heritage Site

www.iflscience.com

Nope, it is mythology

 

[rylah]

The Hebrew tribe was the origins of the Germanic tribes in the Middle-Ages.
My family came from Germany, Norway, Italy, England, Scotland and a few others.
It's possible I may have Hebrew blood. I think just about everyone white has.
But when it comes to religion, I'm Protestant.
Course I feel a strong kinship to Jews and Israel.
I consider them to be distant cousins.

The first time I've seen this theory proposed is here in the forums.
Generally, it's no different from the claims of the British throne,
and many other peoples pondering on their alternative past.

Hebrews were a Levantine civilization, or a specific stage
of it's collective history, rather than a tribe, which for
reasons Torah chooses not to mention ended in
exile, with the remnant being a single family.
And the experience of an entire civilization
through a singe character called to revive
it despite all odds of what looks as
apparent extinction...but the flame
burns and the bush is alive.

 

[rylah]

Only goes to proof that this self-written Hebrew-book - also beholds a collection of previous known occurrences/legends, recorded by other civilizations, predating the Bible by thousands of years. Summarized and then fabricated accordingly, to solely suit the Zionist agenda - dating from around 800.B.C. onward.

Moses only exists in the Judaic tradition/fantasy and it's desert religions offspring's - to lay claim onto a "promised land" and the "justification" to implement laws "commandments" (claimed to be given by their God) onto the Hebrews.

It is PROVEN (historically recorded) that a monotheistic belief - originating in Egypt at around 1500 B.C. had spread across Egyptian held and influenced territory. This Egyptian Dynasty (three kings) was militarily severely beaten by the Hittites - (could very well explain the Bible invention of the Moses Red-Sea devastation of the Egyptian army), thus causing a power-vacuum in e.g. Canaan. Therefore allowing Semitic people that lived and adhered to this monotheistic belief (hence being termed Israelite's by the Egyptians) in Canaan - to revolt against the established Semitic elites in Canaan that practiced theistic religions. Thus conquering/attacking and probably even peacefully "converting" - several Canaanite cities towards their religious belief.

E.g. Israeli archaeologists Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman, dispelled any illusions that their digs had verified the story of the Egyptian Exodus:



It is also (historically recorded) by the Egyptians, documenting their war and destruction of "Israelite held" cities in Canaan at around 1150 B.C. Around 300 years later the survivors of this monotheistic religion were still living in Canaan (Egyptian text reporting - (Israel has been destroyed - it's seed however continues to live on).

With both Egyptian and Hittite power deteriorating/vanishing in Canaan aka the Levant, and being replaced mostly by the Philistine conquerors/invaders - those still being faithful towards their monotheistic believes - then battled it out with the Philistines and others living in Canaan, INVENTED the Bible from around 800 B.C. onward - hence referring to themselves as Hebrews - simply to lay a "religious claim" (backed solely by their own invented God's words and promises) onto previous Philistine and others controlled land and cities and neighbor kingdoms - especially towards the Assyrians - resulting in the Hebrew Kingdom of David and Solomon which lasted from around 800 B.C. to 550 B.C.

You got anything else to offer besides citing your self-written Bible, and some self-written Wiki article?

So desperate to dismiss any mention, let alone discuss Ebla,

that you need to change the subject? Sure you can string

an original thought, at least try.

 

[mudwhistle]

why don't you solve the mystery and provide the tablets the liar moses claimed were etched in the heavens ...

The Stone Tablets were inside the Ark Of The Covenant, so find the Ark and you will find what's left of the tablets.
But they're 4000 years old so they may be a little dusty.