Zone1 Was The Garden Of Eden A Real Place?

Doesn't matter if it is a real place or not; it's the writings that are important and relevant to later people. What changes if it is found or not found to be a 'real place'? Nothing.

surly not what's written in any of the desert bibles ... rather what jesus taught in the 1st century, the repudiation of judaism.

when the very opposite were true than the deceitful geneses of moses, a&e chose self determination over servitude (the jew god - moses) and were issued the heavenly religion of antiquity the goal being to become equals w/ those already in the heavens, purity of spirit for admission or perish either being of their own accord.
 
oh----!! Surah admits the scriptural writing about the mythological Jesus

the 1st century was the repudiation of judaism - the hereditary idolatry of abraham and the liar moses, their claim of heavenly commandments - servitude than self determination ...

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the jews and romans (christians) worked overtime to insure their false jew god was left unscathed - by the teachings of jesus - liberation theology, self determination to rewrite their bible in the 4th century as the crucifiers so pleased.
 
the 1st century was the repudiation of judaism - the hereditary idolatry of abraham and the liar moses, their claim of heavenly commandments - servitude than self determination ...

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the jews and romans (christians) worked overtime to insure their false jew god was left unscathed - by the teachings of jesus - liberation theology, self determination to rewrite their bible in the 4th century as the crucifiers so pleased.
Do you assume that this generation is the only one filled with heretics and Anti-Christs? Your guild has existed since the beginning of time.

Paul........a Jew who studied the Law and Prophets under the Jewish Rabbi Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) does not agree with your unverified (by history or the Bible) bigotry toward the Jews.

What is the value of Jewish history? "Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? MUCH IN EVERY WAY......to begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the ORACLES OF GOD (the laws God defined as righteous). What if some were unfaithful? DOES THEIR UNFAITHFULNESS NULLIFY THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD? By NO MEANS!" -- Romans 3:1-4

Paul concludes that neither the Jews nor the Gentiles are without sin........none are worthy of God's salvation, "What then? Are the Jews better off? No.......not at all. For we (Paul) have already charged that all, both Jew and Greek (gentile) are under punishment of Sin." -- Romans 3:9

When one insults the history of the Jewish Peoples in bringing to the world the oracles of God...........one is validating their own ticket to hell.

Especially........when the gentile brags and boasts that they are superior to the Jews and their History as God has chosen the Greek/Gentile over the original roots of Judaism.

Read, be enlightened. Ignorance of the Holy Scriptures is a dangerous thing....when you do not comprehend that which you worship. As Jesus stated, "You know not what you worship (John 4:22)

Paul explains in detail, when He is addressing the history of the Jewish family tree and faith in comparing it with the original branch (Jews representing an Olive tree), "And if some of the original branches be broken off (the unbelieving Jew), and thou (gentile) being a wild olive tree were grated in among them, and with them partaking of the root (the foundation) and fatness of the olive tree; BOAST NOT AGAINST THE (original) BRANCHES, but its not you that bearest the root, but the root bearest you.........." -- Romans 11:17-18

God's warning, "Be not highminded..........but fear....." If He would in all His wisdom remove the majority of the Jewish faith for unbelief..............what is He to do with the arrogant Gentile but cut them off also, the grafted is much easier to cut than an original branch.
 
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that's simple enough. Just give us the GPS location of the Garden. Do I find it strange, you being a Muslim...........not accepting the Word of God as truth? Hardly.......all hat no cowboy. Show me the Garden of Eden...........and in the next breath deny the scientific evidence that proves the Earth has shifted its continents more than once with the fossil record proving that every inch of the earth's surface has been under water, as sea life fossils are found on the highest peaks on earth
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'Written' is a red herring; it was oral tradition first and exactly contemporary with the times they report; writing them down was only important later, as the religion spread and outlying communities wanted texts to teach by and 'spread the word'. as Darrell Bock points out in his book for laymen, The Missing Gospels, the orthodox scrolls were nearly all widely known and in agreement by the time the Temple fell, with the exception of Revelation, which came later. The only text there was some unease over at Nicea was Hebrews, since it had a questionable provenance. It was included because it provided important information for Jewish converts.

The four Gospels are what was and still are important, the rest being a collection of histories, clarifications, and assorted exegeses.
 
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Who are you talking to?
Anyone that claims the Garden of Eden's location has not been hidden by the God of Creation. :dunno: You for instance? :deal:



As stated.......more deflection, all hat no cowboy. You disagreed to the presentation that the earth's global topography has been altered many times in history by volcanic eruptions, continental drift......with the science of archaeology proving that every inch of the earth's surface has been covered by water in its history as demonstrated by the fossil record and the fact that the highest mountains on earth where once at the bottom of a great ocean under great pressure. Fact: the type of soil and strata found on mountain ranges such as Everest were formed under great pressure as exists when the continents shift their global positions. And you disagree....why? Because the Judeo-Christian Bible states that the Mountains rose and the valley's sank in its record? Fact: Sea Fossils are found on the highest peaks in the world.

Bigot: A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinion that does not agree with their personal opinions.
 
Anyone that claims the Garden of Eden's location has not been hidden by the God of Creation. :dunno: You for instance? :deal:



As stated.......more deflection, all hat no cowboy. You disagreed to the presentation that the earth's global topography has been altered many times in history by volcanic eruptions, continental drift......with the science of archaeology proving that every inch of the earth's surface has been covered by water in its history as demonstrated by the fossil record and the fact that the highest mountains on earth where once at the bottom of a great ocean under great pressure. Fact: the type of soil and strata found on mountain ranges such as Everest were formed under great pressure as exists when the continents shift their global positions. And you disagree....why? Because the Judeo-Christian Bible states that the Mountains rose and the valley's sank in its record? Fact: Sea Fossils are found on the highest peaks in the world.

Bigot: A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinion that does not agree with their personal opinions.

The Eden story is borrowed from Sumer. It's foundation myth not history.

 
the 1st century was the repudiation of judaism - the hereditary idolatry of abraham and the liar moses, their claim of heavenly commandments - servitude than self determination ...

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the jews and romans (christians) worked overtime to insure their false jew god was left unscathed - by the teachings of jesus - liberation theology, self determination to rewrite their bible in the 4th century as the crucifiers so pleased.
the first century was ROME-----which was lions eating people for the entertainment of the masses and massive animal "sacrifices" done
as great shows of ELITE wealth and for the enrichment of the RELIGION of that vile land that gave birth to the catholic church
 
Paul concludes that neither the Jews nor the Gentiles are without sin........none are worthy of God's salvation

just a snipit -

who's paul, jesus taught liberation theology, self determination the religion of antiquity ... as noted already, nowhere found in the christian bible nor the refutation of judaism those people gave their lives for in the 1st century until rendered mute by the 4th.

jesus would never ascribe to the heavens what the jews, abraham claim for themselves as a special select few made for them by their personal jew god and is the reason they crucified him.

clyde the christian claims ... jew - gentile ... knowing perfectly well their crime as the christian bible than the refutation that is meant to be.
 
the first century was ROME-----which was lions eating people for the entertainment of the masses and massive animal "sacrifices" done
as great shows of ELITE wealth and for the enrichment of the RELIGION of that vile land that gave birth to the catholic church

that is your myth ...

- and that the romans were not the christians.
 
In the earlier story about the garden of Eden humans were the gardeners who served the gods. God brought a global flood because the humans had become too numerous and too noisy. They had become pests.
The Semitic people constructed, a religiously motivated evolution story, starting off at around 1500 B.C. (trying to promote the idea of a monotheistic religion, who's big boss is a Semite) whilst incorporating existing and known "legends" & "tales" of the Semitic world - foremost that of today's, Syria, Iraq, Iran, (ranging from 2000BC to 12,000 BC) and adding/incorporating known tales originating from today's India/Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt, that came to the Semitic world via trade and migration routes from around 10,000 B.C. onward).

The "Flood" most likely originated from the natural catastrophe (around 15000 B.C. that created the Black Sea. And might also be in correlation to the Atlantis story. Until today archeological evidence places the "origins" of advanced human civilization (stone dwellings and stone sculpturing) in the Black Sea area - aka the Northern Turkish coastline.

(Around 800 B.C. onward) this existing Semitic "constructed religiously motivated evolution story" was drastically altered, by the offspring of Hebrew followers, enabling them to claim a "promised land". (aka to justify the conquest of Canaan as being a Godly allocated task solely towards Jews aka Israelite's). The very same claim that is in existence and being used until today by Zionists.

Therefore they additionally constructed a lineage of the Semitic Abraham "according to Hebrew Bible genealogy" - starting of with Adam&Eve - Kain....Noah.... and allocating known tales/legends to these "invented people", to additionally "claim" that God is a Hebrew aka a Jew. Adam therefore according to their "altered Bible" and thus documented timeline, lived around 4000 B.C.

Humans at the time were very well aware about the general hostile environment - that constantly threatened human civilization. As such their logic dictated that a single couple, Adam&Eve, could only possibly thrive in a God protected and special created environment - thus the legend of the Garden of Eden was created.

Today's archeological findings and evidence has found several such "suitable" places on earth for humans to evolve - AFAIK the oldest one of them being the Eastern-Drift of the African plateau - aka today's Tanzania/Kenya.

Therefore if one chooses to believe into the Bible - the same person also has to accept the timeline of Adam that is set around 4000 B.C.
And that is proven to be absolutely wrong via archeological "factual" findings.

Thus the entire Jewish/Catholic aka Christian and Muslim "believe" is clearly at stake, (factually refuted/discredited) which in return results in believers to seek refuge via simply choosing from amongst whatever the Bible, NT and the Koran states.

Additionally creating new subbranches, e.g. Protestants, Mormons, etc, Suni/Shites, just to come up with new explanations (excuses), whilst constantly contradicting their own original "teachings", Persecuting, threatening, and killing so called non-believers and critics for the past 2000 years, and additionally retracting "Gods words" e.g. the Catholic/Christian Church, simply "adjusting" towards proven scientific facts e.g. the universe is not revolving around Earth, or e.g. Eden is just a parable - what an "interesting" bunch of people these religious folks are !!

Anyway, I am sure that you are aware about my "stand" in regards to religion. And that I place my "believes" onto proven scientific facts.

As to "discussing" with religious people; will never work out, since one would be robbing them of their childish believes that allow them to "manage" aka get along with their "specific" way of life.
 
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The Semitic people constructed, a religiously motivated evolution story, starting off at around 1500 B.C. (trying to promote the idea of a monotheistic religion, who's big boss is a Semite) whilst incorporating existing and known "legends" & "tales" of the Semitic world - foremost that of today's, Syria, Iraq, Iran, (ranging from 2000BC to 12,000 BC) and adding/incorporating known tales originating from today's India/Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt, that came to the Semitic world via trade and migration routes from around 10,000 B.C. onward).

The "Flood" most likely originated from the natural catastrophe (around 15000 B.C. that created the Black Sea. And might also be in correlation to the Atlantis story. Until today archeological evidence places the "origins" of advanced human civilization (stone dwellings and stone sculpturing) in the Black Sea area - aka the Northern Turkish coastline.

(Around 800 B.C. onward) this existing Semitic "constructed religiously motivated evolution story" was drastically altered, by the offspring of Hebrew followers, enabling them to claim a "promised land". (aka to justify the conquest of Canaan as being a Godly allocated task solely towards Jews aka Israelite's). The very same claim that is in existence and being used until today by Zionists.

Therefore they additionally constructed a lineage of the Semitic Abraham "according to Hebrew Bible genealogy" - starting of with Adam&Eve - Kain....Noah.... and allocating known tales/legends to these "invented people", to additionally "claim" that God is a Hebrew aka a Jew. Adam therefore according to their "altered Bible" and thus documented timeline, lived around 4000 B.C.

Humans at the time were very well aware about the general hostile environment - that constantly threatened human civilization. As such their logic dictated that a single couple, Adam&Eve, could only possibly thrive in a God protected and special created environment - thus the legend of the Garden of Eden was created.

Today's archeological findings and evidence has found several such "suitable" places on earth for humans to evolve - AFAIK the oldest one of them being the Eastern-Drift of the African plateau - aka today's Tanzania/Kenya.

Therefore if one chooses to believe into the Bible - the same person also has to accept the timeline of Adam that is set around 4000 B.C.
And that is proven to be absolutely wrong via archeological "factual" findings.

Thus the entire Jewish/Catholic aka Christian and Muslim "believe" is clearly at stake, (factually refuted/discredited) which in return results in believers to seek refuge via simply choosing from amongst whatever the Bible, NT and the Koran states.

Additionally creating new subbranches, e.g. Protestants, Mormons, etc, Suni/Shites, just to come up with new explanations (excuses), whilst constantly contradicting their own original "teachings", Persecuting, threatening, and killing so called non-believers and critics for the past 2000 years, and additionally retracting "Gods words" e.g. the Catholic/Christian Church, simply "adjusting" towards proven scientific facts e.g. the universe is not revolving around Earth, or e.g. Eden is just a parable - what an "interesting" bunch of people these religious folks are !!

Anyway, I am sure that you are aware about my "stand" in regards to religion. And that I place my "believes" onto proven scientific facts.

As to "discussing" with religious people; will never work out, since one would be robbing them of their childish believes that allow them to "manage" aka get along with their "specific" way of life.

The Black Sea breech was too early and it was a very slow moving flood.. plenty of time to move livestock to higher ground. It coincides with the spread of agriculture.

The global flood was probably in 2900 BC in the flat Euphrates River Basin.
 
Come on kid. There are no gods, no aliens, no ghosts, and no bigfoot.

Time for you whack-a-doos to grow up.
Thanks for sharing but.. nah. Please spare us your Deep Thoughts, boy.
 
Thanks for sharing but.. nah. Please spare us your Deep Thoughts, boy.
Look son. just a tip but if you're trying to insult me you're gonna hafta do better than copy me.

I take that as a compliment.
 
Look son. just a tip but if you're trying to insult me you're gonna hafta do better than copy me.

I take that as a compliment.
Oh like you're real brilliant to come up with calling me a boy. well get used to me calling it back, boy.
 
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