Zone1 Was The Garden Of Eden A Real Place?

[BreezeWood]

--did
it ever occur to any of you WHY PEOPLE CONSIDERED THE TAX COLLECTORS ON LEVEL WITH WHORES?

- for a jew they would need binoculars with their head bowed and begging for mercy till cleansed of their crime to see the beauty before them. the 1st century heavenly amigos - mary magdalene.

 

[Kruska]

Nope. It always rained in the spring and the snow always melted... The river always flooded. That's what formed the Delta south of Basra.

I am aware of that, and I didn't reject it either. The same Spring- ice-melt and rain issue also exists until today in regards to the Indus River valley. AFAIK however the Indus civilization precedes the Babylonian civilization by around 2000 years. Archeological findings/records confirm this so called "Indo-Germanic" migration towards the West, that started to take place from around 5000 B.C. Therefore IMO it can't be out-ruled that the news or myth of an Indus flood, found their way into the Babylonian civilization.

On the other hand the "unknown" advanced civilization that existed in the Black-Sea area, precedes both the Babylonian and Indus civilization by more then 4000 years. It is also "speculated" that the Egyptian elite - might have found their way into Egypt, deriving from the Black-Sea area.

The Minoan culture and it's monolithic siblings in Malta and Cyprus (who knows what "Flood legends" they had)- the Philistines being their offspring and arriving in the Levant from around 1300 B.C. also predate the self-written Jewish Bible - by thousands of years, or in view of the Philistines by around 500 years.

Therefore I view the Euphrates river basin, the Indus River valley and the Dardanelles breach as being possible sources in regards to the Flood - transferred into the Bible, to solely create a (non-existent) Semitic Gods vengefulness and absolute claim of domination over Jews. As a result Jews claiming to be God's chosen people. The Bible was later expanded/altered by the Roman Church from 350 B.C. onward as "his absolute domination" over all mankind.

All of these "desert-religions" are simply about oppressing and "scaring the shit" out of it's flock, simply in order to maintain control via "resolute" means over the people, via their respective religious and secular elites.

It was only from the 11th century onward that the Christian secular elites challenge the Catholic religious elite - via e.g. claiming that a Christian monarch is chosen by God. Thus placing themselves on the same level as God's "permanent representative" - the Pope.

 

[surada]

I am aware of that, and I didn't reject it either. The same Spring- ice-melt and rain issue also exists until today in regards to the Indus River valley. AFAIK however the Indus civilization precedes the Babylonian civilization by around 2000 years. Archeological findings/records confirm this so called "Indo-Germanic" migration towards the West, that started to take place from around 5000 B.C. Therefore IMO it can't be out-ruled that the news or myth of an Indus flood, found their way into the Babylonian civilization.

On the other hand the "unknown" advanced civilization that existed in the Black-Sea area, precedes both the Babylonian and Indus civilization by more then 4000 years. It is also "speculated" that the Egyptian elite - might have found their way into Egypt, deriving from the Black-Sea area.

The Minoan culture and it's monolithic siblings in Malta and Cyprus (who knows what "Flood legends" they had)- the Philistines being their offspring and arriving in the Levant from around 1300 B.C. also predate the self-written Jewish Bible - by thousands of years, or in view of the Philistines by around 500 years.

Therefore I view the Euphrates river basin, the Indus River valley and the Dardanelles breach as being possible sources in regards to the Flood - transferred into the Bible, to solely create a (non-existent) Semitic Gods vengefulness and absolute claim of domination over Jews. As a result Jews claiming to be God's chosen people. The Bible was later expanded/altered by the Roman Church from 350 B.C. onward as "his absolute domination" over all mankind.

All of these "desert-religions" are simply about oppressing and "scaring the shit" out of it's flock, simply in order to maintain control via "resolute" means over the people, via their respective religious and secular elites.

It was only from the 11th century onward that the Christian secular elites challenge the Catholic religious elite - via e.g. claiming that a Christian monarch is chosen by God. Thus placing themselves on the same level as God's "permanent representative" - the Pope.

Concept of the Ancient Floods with special reference to Indus Valley Civilization.

Floods played an important role in the decline of Harappan civilization. by Dr.

www.linkedin.com

No one can say with certainty why the subcontinent’s long-lived civilization came to an end, but experts suspect unruly rivers. Geological and archeological evidence, it turns out, give strong evidence that a long and devastating drought followed by devastating floods led to the abandonment of the settlements along the banks of the Indus and Saraswati rivers in western India, ending an urban civilization that had flourished, archeologists now surmise, sometime between 2,600 BC and 1,900 BC. Experts think the fluctuations of the Indus had a major impact on Mohenjo Daro. It whipped back and forth across the plains, causing floods that destroyed the agricultural base of the city. Trade and the economy were disrupted. Hundred of villages may have been destroyed by floods or by rivers carving new channels.

 

[surada]

Started before the Old Testament was written;

Enūma Eliš (Akkadian Cuneiform: 𒂊𒉡𒈠𒂊𒇺, also spelled "Enuma Elish") is the Babylonian creation myth (named after its opening words).
...
On examination it became clear that the Assyrian myths were drawn from or similar to the Babylonian ones. Additionally Sir Henry Rawlinson had noted similarities between Biblical accounts of creation and the geography of Babylonia. He suggested that biblical creation stories might have their origin in that area. ...
...
Smith's publication of his work led to an expedition to Assyria funded by The Daily Telegraph. There he found further tablets describing the deluge as well as fragmentary accounts of creation, a text on a war between good and evil 'gods', and a fall of man myth. A second expedition by Smith brought back further creation legend fragments. By 1875 he had returned and began publishing accounts of these discoveries in the Daily Telegraph from 4 March 1875.[10][11]
...

Enūma Eliš - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Research since the 1970s suggests that there were three global super-floods: 15,000 to 14,000 years ago; 12,000 to 11,000 years ago; and 8,000 to 7,000 years ago. The second period ties in with the date Plato ascribed in the Timaeus and Critias to the destruction by earthquakes and flooding of Atlantis, and with the Tamil myth of the submerging of the fabled land of Kumari Kandam. Kumari Kandam, an antediluvian civilization said to have existed thousands of years ago around south India. It is believed to have been a great center of learning with magnificent academies which may have left a legacy of cartographic and astronomical knowledge which exists today in the ancient Indian texts.

Concept of the Ancient Floods with special reference to Indus Valley Civilization.

Floods played an important role in the decline of Harappan civilization. by Dr.

www.linkedin.com

 

[irosie91]

The Roman denarius was about 3.4 grams of silver, and so half a shekel would be worth about 2 days of labor in a vineyard. Comparing this with labor wages in agriculture in Israel today, I would estimate the half a shekel contribution to be worth about 50-75 USD.

I wouldn't. Such conversions are beyond imprecise. It was a trivial YEARLY
suggested contribution per household and there is no history of coercion.
The equivalent today is about 50 cents based on the price of silver. The
Roman system was like the islamic system (upon which it is based)---
EXTORTION TO THE LIMIT. A pigeon for sacrifice was even more trivial
and did not have to be purchased FROM THE TEMPLE

 

[surada]

I wouldn't. Such conversions are beyond imprecise. It was a trivial YEARLY
suggested contribution per household and there is no history of coercion.
The equivalent today is about 50 cents based on the price of silver. The
Roman system was like the islamic system (upon which it is based)---
EXTORTION TO THE LIMIT. A pigeon for sacrifice was even more trivial
and did not have to be purchased FROM THE TEMPLE

So Jews were paid 50 cents a day?

 

[luiza]

Research since the 1970s suggests that there were three global super-floods: 15,000 to 14,000 years ago; 12,000 to 11,000 years ago; and 8,000 to 7,000 years ago. The second period ties in with the date Plato ascribed in the Timaeus and Critias to the destruction by earthquakes and flooding of Atlantis, and with the Tamil myth of the submerging of the fabled land of Kumari Kandam. Kumari Kandam, an antediluvian civilization said to have existed thousands of years ago around south India. It is believed to have been a great center of learning with magnificent academies which may have left a legacy of cartographic and astronomical knowledge which exists today in the ancient Indian texts.

Excellent material .
Well aware of the flood 10-12000 years ago and that it seems to have happened all over the planet , but would appreciate references to the last one (8 to7 000 years ago) which I was not fully aware of .Was the latter flood period more local -- just ME for example?
I understood the Sumerians were basically drowned by the earlier flood and those that fled successfully moved down ( as it were) to Egypt and probaly founded much of what is regarded as early Egyptian civilisation .
It is suggested that the Elohim played an integral part in creating/expanding the Sumerian period though this aspect is probably too esoteric for this site .

 

[surada]

Excellent material .
Well aware of the flood 10-12000 years ago and that it seems to have happened all over the planet , but would appreciate references to the last one (8 to7 000 years ago) which I was not fully aware of .Was the latter flood period more local -- just ME for example?
I understood the Sumerians were basically drowned by the earlier flood and those that fled successfully moved down ( as it were) to Egypt and probaly founded much of what is regarded as early Egyptian civilisation .
It is suggested that the Elohim played an integral part in creating/expanding the Sumerian period though this aspect is probably too esoteric for this site .

It was a four day flood...150 miles wide and 350 miles south. Noah was hauling grain, livestock and beer downriver on barges.

 

[irosie91]

So Jews were paid 50 cents a day?

where did you see "50 cents" per day as a wage? Have
you been recruited into the islamo-nazi program as a token
moron? For the record the term "moron" is a technical term
in the field of neuroscience. "Moron" was coined in 1910 by psychologist Henry H. Goddard[4] from the Ancient Greek word μωρός (moros),
which meant "dull" and used to describe a person with a mental age in
adulthood of between 7 and 10 on the Binet scale. The terms IDIOT and
IMBECIL also show up in the literature of neuroscience but have
fallen out of common use.

 

[rylah]

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It's said that where the Tigrus and Euphrates meet it is the most fertile soil on the planet.

This is supposed to be originally the area that the Garden of Eden was located.

This is in Iraq.

One of my buddies who spent time in Iraq after Desert Storm said there's a place in Iraq where you can grow anything without fertilizer or water.

Where Is The Garden Of Eden? And Where Would It Be Located Today?

The Bible suggests the Garden of Eden is located somewhere between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.

www.iflscience.com

Globally Important Iraqi Marshes Designated As A World Heritage Site

Globally Important Iraqi Marshes Designated As A World Heritage Site

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By real You mean on earth?

Not as in a location, and yes as in the human daily experience.

There's a small book by C.G Jung - "The I, and the collective unconscious"...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

a requirement of being a Christian is belief in the Bible and Jesus Christ. If you don't belief them, you are no Christian. You are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Mr Natural]

A real place?

About as real as anything else in The Big Book of Myths and Fables.

 

[mudwhistle]

By real You mean on earth?

Not as in a location, and yes as in the human daily experience.

There's a small book by C.G Jung - "The I, and the collective unconscious"...

Real meaning on Earth.

 

[ninja007]

IT WAS REAL. Why would you think it was a parable? Jesus spoke in parables but not the Father.

 

[Kruska]

Research since the 1970s suggests that there were three global super-floods: 15,000 to 14,000 years ago; 12,000 to 11,000 years ago; and 8,000 to 7,000 years ago. The second period ties in with the date Plato ascribed in the Timaeus and Critias to the destruction by earthquakes and flooding of Atlantis, and with the Tamil myth of the submerging of the fabled land of Kumari Kandam. Kumari Kandam, an antediluvian civilization said to have existed thousands of years ago around south India. It is believed to have been a great center of learning with magnificent academies which may have left a legacy of cartographic and astronomical knowledge which exists today in the ancient Indian texts.

Concept of the Ancient Floods with special reference to Indus Valley Civilization.

Floods played an important role in the decline of Harappan civilization. by Dr.

www.linkedin.com

You wrote "global super flood" which I personally would reject - since there is no conclusive evidence for a flood encompassing the planet at a single given time.
However there were numerous floods occurring all over the planet at different times.

AFAIK there is only one person (hypothesis) that propagates the impact of a Comet some 5000 years ago, to have caused a global flood.

 

[surada]

where did you see "50 cents" per day as a wage? Have
you been recruited into the islamo-nazi program as a token
moron? For the record the term "moron" is a technical term
in the field of neuroscience. "Moron" was coined in 1910 by psychologist Henry H. Goddard[4] from the Ancient Greek word μωρός (moros),
which meant "dull" and used to describe a person with a mental age in
adulthood of between 7 and 10 on the Binet scale. The terms IDIOT and
IMBECIL also show up in the literature of neuroscience but have
fallen out of common use.

Didn't you write:

The equivalent today is about 50 cents based on the price of silver. The
Roman system was like the islamic system (upon which it is based)---

 

[irosie91]

Didn't you write:

The equivalent today is about 50 cents based on the price of silver. The
Roman system was like the islamic system (upon which it is based)---

I wrote ---a half shekel value is approximately 50 cents. The fact that aspects of the filth of shariah are based on the filth of Justinian law is another issue. At no point did I suggest that a half shekel is a wage for a day's work in today's Israel or in Judea/Israel 2000 years ago. Half shekel coins valued at approximately 50 cents are available today for sentimental reasons

 

[rylah]

Real meaning on Earth.

Are You a Hebrew?

Everywhere there's a human civilization,

a fundamental collective human experience,

it's human psyche before descending to earth, i.e daily reality.

 

[mudwhistle]

Are You a Hebrew?

Everywhere there's a human civilization,

a fundamental collective human experience,

it's human psyche before descending to earth, i.e daily reality.

I don't know if I'm Hebrew.

I can only trace my family back a few hundred years.

 

[rylah]

I don't know if I'm Hebrew.

I can only trace my family back a few hundred years.

More than most.

If You're Hebrew, they tell You,
or You know anyway, can't run away from that.