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Only the body dies,the soul and spirit are eternal.
Hazlnut,
The Romans knew death and if Jesus wasn't dead, they would have broke his legs. When you have your bowels ripped open and a spear go through your side, you just don't roll a bolder away from your tomb, scare the soldiers away and make people believe you are a super hero. If he came out of the tomb and rolled the bolder away, I would assure you he would be feeling pain which would have been so noticeable that He wouldn't have appeared a super hero to anyone let alone scare the guards of his tomb away.
Chuck
Hazlnut,
The Romans knew death and if Jesus wasn't dead, they would have broke his legs. When you have your bowels ripped open and a spear go through your side, you just don't roll a bolder away from your tomb, scare the soldiers away and make people believe you are a super hero. If he came out of the tomb and rolled the bolder away, I would assure you he would be feeling pain which would have been so noticeable that He wouldn't have appeared a super hero to anyone let alone scare the guards of his tomb away.
Chuck
But if Jesus had super magic powers, like those described in the bible, he would have been able to fake the Romans out. And control their minds.
How do you know he felt pain?
Only the body dies,the soul and spirit are eternal.
Hazlnut,
The Romans knew death and if Jesus wasn't dead, they would have broke his legs. When you have your bowels ripped open and a spear go through your side, you just don't roll a bolder away from your tomb, scare the soldiers away and make people believe you are a super hero. If he came out of the tomb and rolled the bolder away, I would assure you he would be feeling pain which would have been so noticeable that He wouldn't have appeared a super hero to anyone let alone scare the guards of his tomb away.
Chuck
But if Jesus had super magic powers, like those described in the bible, he would have been able to fake the Romans out. And control their minds.
How do you know he felt pain?
Thank you for your witness that "He knew what he was doing."
The story changed rather abruptly from a superman who could change matter, animate life, and heal -- a demigod with knowledge and powers beyond any man -- to a helpless victim of an oppressive society at the mercy of a bunch of soldiers.
Christ was capable of changing matter -- why not turn their swords into snakes, ala Moses?
Christ was capable making the dead living, just reverse the magic in front of Harod and he would have backed off.
The other possibility is that all the stories about magic and supernatural powers are bullshit. And Christ was just a man, like all of us, a son of the creator, and his life and death became an inspirational story for gentiles and Jews.
One big fallacy in the evangelical literalist view is that if you don't accept Jesus into your heart you're going to hell. Native American Indians could not have known the story of Christ until Columbus and later the Pilgrims landed on their shore. How are Buddhists, Hindus, Native Americans supposed to be saved if they were never able to hear the 'Good Word'?? Seems kind of unfair that the loving and forgiving God would create a world with societies separated by water and expect early tribes without the technology to cross an ocean to all believe in a man they've never heard of. But I digress. This is a topic for another thread.
First off, let me say that I believe the story of Christ is meant to inspire us to be better people. Take the sermon on the mount to heart and let is guide your daily lives. It doesn't matter if he was real or not, follow his teachings on unconditional love and tolerance and you'll be a better person and lead a more purposeful life.
However...
I was thinking about the gospels the other day, everything that we are told about Christ specifically the super-hero powers he had to produce food, raise the dead, and cure the sick.
It's possible that on Good Friday (which was really a shitty day), that Christ didn't really feel any pain at all. He was just putting on a show for all his followers.
Showmanship means you finish big and leave them wanting more. You create suspense and drama, then have a big twist at the end. He has all these super powers and magic abilities but he didn't like showing off too much and only used his powers when needed to really convince people he was the real deal. It may have served his purpose to appear to be in pain and agony when he was really feeling nothing at all. Then, when the dust settled, he just gets up and flies away, making sure a few people see him. M. Night Shamalan couldn't cook up a better twist then that. Although, it would have been better if all of Rome had seen Christ fly up in the air like Kal-El, and he could have thrown the cross he was crucified on right through Pilate's roof and then swooped down on Herod, picked him and dropped him in the Sea.
I hope that Christ used his magic powers to make sure the others being crucified on the same day, the thieves, felt no pain. Crucification was brutal and Christ really should have gone all Moses on the Romans and rained some frogs and hellfire down on them.
Let's face it, Moses was a bad ass. Once he got his powers via the magic staff, he went to town on the oppressors. Christ, the pacifist, was all about being martyred, and given all the super powers described in the gospels, I'm thinking Christ was feeling nothing and just putting on a show to gin up his followers.
If Christ was nailed to the cross laughing at the Romans and cracking jokes about how they can't hurt him, he would have come off as less sympathetic and kind of a dick.
GOD'S PLAN EVEN BEFORE CREATION!!!!==Jesus is the lamb slain from before the foundation of the world?
Why was he sacrificed - crucified - before the world was created - before there was ever sin???? (Rev 13:8)
With such a huge load of crap, you better go wipe yourself in the bathroom to be sure.Hazlnut,
The Romans knew death and if Jesus wasn't dead, they would have broke his legs. When you have your bowels ripped open and a spear go through your side, you just don't roll a bolder away from your tomb, scare the soldiers away and make people believe you are a super hero. If he came out of the tomb and rolled the bolder away, I would assure you he would be feeling pain which would have been so noticeable that He wouldn't have appeared a super hero to anyone let alone scare the guards of his tomb away.
Chuck
But if Jesus had super magic powers, like those described in the bible, he would have been able to fake the Romans out. And control their minds.
How do you know he felt pain?
Because He descended below all things to lift us above all things. If He didn't feel our pain, then there was no atonement.
GOD'S PLAN EVEN BEFORE CREATION!!!!==Jesus is the lamb slain from before the foundation of the world?
Why was he sacrificed - crucified - before the world was created - before there was ever sin???? (Rev 13:8)
Why do you presume there was no sin before the world existed? Simply because it didn't exist on earth till the Fall doesn't mean it didn't exist at all anywhere.
GOD'S PLAN EVEN BEFORE CREATION!!!!==Jesus is the lamb slain from before the foundation of the world?
Why was he sacrificed - crucified - before the world was created - before there was ever sin???? (Rev 13:8)
Why do you presume there was no sin before the world existed? Simply because it didn't exist on earth till the Fall doesn't mean it didn't exist at all anywhere.
Just because you read something in a book doesn't make it true. Just makes you a noob.
Why do you presume there was no sin before the world existed? Simply because it didn't exist on earth till the Fall doesn't mean it didn't exist at all anywhere.
Just because you read something in a book doesn't make it true. Just makes you a noob.
Of course reading something in a book doesn't make it true. Why on earth do you think Im always telling you learn for yourself by going to the Lord? And why are you so stubborn that you prefer to remain ignorant?
First off, let me say that I believe the story of Christ is meant to inspire us to be better people. Take the sermon on the mount to heart and let is guide your daily lives. It doesn't matter if he was real or not, follow his teachings on unconditional love and tolerance and you'll be a better person and lead a more purposeful life.
However...
I was thinking about the gospels the other day, everything that we are told about Christ specifically the super-hero powers he had to produce food, raise the dead, and cure the sick.
It's possible that on Good Friday (which was really a shitty day), that Christ didn't really feel any pain at all. He was just putting on a show for all his followers.
Showmanship means you finish big and leave them wanting more. You create suspense and drama, then have a big twist at the end. He has all these super powers and magic abilities but he didn't like showing off too much and only used his powers when needed to really convince people he was the real deal. It may have served his purpose to appear to be in pain and agony when he was really feeling nothing at all. Then, when the dust settled, he just gets up and flies away, making sure a few people see him. M. Night Shamalan couldn't cook up a better twist then that. Although, it would have been better if all of Rome had seen Christ fly up in the air like Kal-El, and he could have thrown the cross he was crucified on right through Pilate's roof and then swooped down on Herod, picked him and dropped him in the Sea.
I hope that Christ used his magic powers to make sure the others being crucified on the same day, the thieves, felt no pain. Crucification was brutal and Christ really should have gone all Moses on the Romans and rained some frogs and hellfire down on them.
Let's face it, Moses was a bad ass. Once he got his powers via the magic staff, he went to town on the oppressors. Christ, the pacifist, was all about being martyred, and given all the super powers described in the gospels, I'm thinking Christ was feeling nothing and just putting on a show to gin up his followers.
If Christ was nailed to the cross laughing at the Romans and cracking jokes about how they can't hurt him, he would have come off as less sympathetic and kind of a dick.
Just because you read something in a book doesn't make it true. Just makes you a noob.
Of course reading something in a book doesn't make it true. Why on earth do you think Im always telling you learn for yourself by going to the Lord? And why are you so stubborn that you prefer to remain ignorant?
I can't get past the first part. There was no boat capable of taking 2 of every animal on the planet. And there's no proof an invisible being took 6 days to make the world... no proof either that humans lived to be 800 or whatever Noah lived to.
You shouldn't be drinking this early in the day.Of course reading something in a book doesn't make it true. Why on earth do you think Im always telling you learn for yourself by going to the Lord? And why are you so stubborn that you prefer to remain ignorant?
I can't get past the first part. There was no boat capable of taking 2 of every animal on the planet. And there's no proof an invisible being took 6 days to make the world... no proof either that humans lived to be 800 or whatever Noah lived to.
Alien theorists think that aliens gave Noah the DNA of every animal, both male and female. Then reconstituted them after the flood...like instant oatmeal. All that DNA would fit on a boat.
And one of God's days could be a couple hundred thousand years. Our days are 24 hours because the earth spins. Maybe God travels around the universe instead of the sun. How long does that take?
And think about how fast humans travel, spinning around the sun every year. How many millions of miles is it around the sun once a year? Even if you never leave the house, you're still traveling thousands of miles an hour. No wonder humans are so dizzy.
