Warren Blasts Elon Musk’s Government Power Grab

[TruthNotBS]

HUH?


Article II, Section 1, Clause 8:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

The oath’s requirement that the President swear or affirm to faithfully execute the Office of President bears close relation to the President’s constitutional duty to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.1 Other provisions of the Constitution require action of various officials, but these two clauses comprise the only requirements that an official act faithfully. Because of these textual similarities, the oath is often discussed in conjunction with the Take Care Clause.2

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C8-1-3/ALDE_00013934/

Just because the Constitution says the President must “faithfully execute” the laws doesn’t mean he can literally do whatever the hell he wants. That’s pure nonsense. If you take the time to actually read the link you sent:

(https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C8-1-3/ALDE_00013934/),

It talks about the oath in conjunction with the Take Care Clause, meaning the President is obligated to enforce existing laws, not scrap them or rewrite them on a whim.

People keep dragging out that “voting machines can be hacked” argument from Curling v. Raffensperger (Civil Action No. 1:17-cv-2989-AT, ND Ga.). Sure, the judge in that case discussed vulnerabilities in Georgia’s voting systems. That in no way gives the President authority to purge entire government departments or fire civil servants en masse, let alone close agencies created by Congress. There’s absolutely zero connection there.

The idea that the President has a “license” to blow up entire federal departments or hack them apart is just plain stupid. The Constitution puts lawmaking, including the power to create or eliminate agencies, in Congress’s hands. That’s called separation of powers. If you want a basic example, read the Supreme Court’s decision in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (343 U.S. 579 (1952)), where President Truman tried to seize steel mills during the Korean War. The Supreme Court basically said, “No, you can’t do that without Congressional authority.” Same concept here: if the President can’t even nationalize steel mills by himself in a wartime emergency, what makes you think he can unilaterally shut down the Department of Education or destroy the Small Business Administration just because he feels like it?

Congress creates gencies and funds them through the appropriations process. The President can’t override that by executive fiat. “Take Care” means enforcing the laws, not ignoring or dismantling them. The Constitution’s Appropriations Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 7) says no money can be drawn from the Treasury unless Congress passes a law authorizing it. That slams the door on this idea that Elon Musk can walk into the Treasury, flick a switch, and shut off funds to whatever he wants.

As for “firing everyone” in the federal government, civil service laws exist precisely to stop that kind of horse crap. Look at Humphrey’s Executor v. United States (295 U.S. 602 (1935)) if you want a Supreme Court case about limiting the President’s removal power over certain officials. Also, regular civil servants are protected by statutes like the Civil Service Reform Act and the Merit Systems Protection Board. The President can’t just wave some “powerful pen” and get rid of people because he doesn’t like their politics, there’s a statutory process for removals, discipline, or reassignments.

Your own link about the President’s oath doesn’t say, “He can close any department at will.” The decision in Curling doesn’t give him that power either. DOGE is literally just a made-up White House office, not an all-powerful body. The Constitution and existing laws are crystal clear: creating or abolishing departments isn’t up to the President alone; only Congress can do that. If Trump or Musk tries it anyway, they’re gonna get slapped down in court. That’s exactly what’s happening with these lawsuits, and that’s exactly how the system is supposed to work in our democratic constitutional republic, not monarchy.

So no, the President does not have a blank check or some magical “license” to blow up entire agencies established by Congress. If you want agencies eliminated, you need an act of Congress. That’s not me being “anti-Trump” or “anti-Musk”; that’s just the damn Constitution doing its job.

 

[80zephyr]

No, I'm not, but you have the wrong people doing the auditing. They're using that as a pretense to cut much more. Don't you get it?

Who are the "right people"?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Who are the "right people"?

Not billionaires that's for sure. You could've hired or elected more responsible Republicans, who are socially conservative and don't want the US Federal government funding hormone treatments for transsexuals in Pakistan. You don't want our government, purchasing a million copies of a school textbook that confuses children about their gender and promotes LGBTQ ideology. OK, I understand, even as a socialist, who on economics, is of the far left, I see the good point social conservatives are making when criticizing these "woke" practices. I get it. But unfortunately, you've hired a billionaire who will even cut your grandma's food stamps. These billionaires want control of everything, that way they can capitalize on it and make money.

 

[80zephyr]

Not billionaires that's for sure. You could've hired or elected more responsible Republicans, who are socially conservative and don't want the US Federal Goverment funding hormone treatments for transsexuals in Pakistan. You don't want our government, purchasing a million copies of a school textbook that confuses children about their gender and promotes LGBTQ ideology. OK, I understand, even as a socialist, who on economics, is of the far left, I see the good point conservatives are making when criticizing these "woke" practices. I get it. But unfortunately, you've hired a billionaire who will even cut your grandma's food stamps. These billionaires want control of everything, that way they can capitalize on it and make money.

Until that actually happens, I will conclude you are overreacting.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Until that actually happens, I will conclude you are overreacting.

I hope you're correct. Elon is also pursing a lawsuit to strip American workers of their right to unionize, among other rights and protections. He doesn't care much for American workers:

He's only concerned with short-term profits and not how his decision to hire Indians is going to undermine our economy in the future.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Is Pocahontas so dumb as to think Musk is doing anything other than passing along his findings to the elected Trump? Or is she just intentionally lying?

She’s intentionally lying. It’s what democrats do best.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

The irony here is that most of you who support Elon here on the forum, are pensioners, living on your Social Security, and relying on Medicare for your healthcare. You're placing all of that, at risk. It's not just the poor people on Medicaid or food stamps that you don't particularly care about, who are going to be affected. You, the MAGA working class, are essentially handing our government to a bunch of billionaire plutocrats, who don't give a rat's ass about you or anyone else, but themselves.

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How is getting rid of waste fraud and corruption putting SS and Medicare at risk?

 

[Godboy]

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Senator Warren’s speech underscores a vital warning about the dangers of allowing one individual, especially one who is not an elected representative, to exert such extensive control over a major component of government operations. She highlights the fact that critical systems, like those responsible for sending Social Security checks, paying Medicare bills, and funding essential services, should remain in the hands of democratically accountable institutions rather than a single person’s private enterprise. Her concerns are particularly urgent because these are the mechanisms that safeguard our most vulnerable populations: seniors, patients, children, and ordinary families who rely on timely disbursement of federal funds.

In defending Senator Warren’s position, it’s clear that she champions the principle of government by the people, for the people. She rallies the public to resist concentrated power and reminds us that these systems were built to serve everyone, not to be subject to the personal decisions of someone who has never faced the voters. By calling attention to the broader implications of one individual’s influence, Senator Warren is advocating for a democratic check on power to ensure that vital services continue to flow responsibly. Her stance sends a powerful message that we should remain vigilant and engaged to protect the foundations of our democracy.

Youre a total ******* loser and an idiot if you take one word coming from Warren seriously.

 

[TruthNotBS]

How is getting rid of waste fraud and corruption putting SS and Medicare at risk?

If that were the case I a socialist would join you in eliminating waste, fraud and corruption. I hate that shit, just as much as you do. The problem is that what these right-wing billionaires identify as "waste" isn't really a waste, and much (not all, but much), of what they identify as fraud and corrupt within the context of TRUMP, is bullshit.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Who's auditing these billionaire oligarchs, who just want to strip the American people of as many government services as possible and then cash in, with more tax breaks and no regulations that protect the working class?

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The IRS. Every single year. What else you got?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Youre a total ******* loser and an idiot if you take one word coming from Warren seriously.

More worthless insults that amount to nothing. You're not defending any position with a logical argument or evidence, you're just slinging insults. That's the refuge of a weak argument, that is indefensible.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The IRS. Every single year. What else you got?

Auditing not just their finances but what they're doing now politically. They're now facing the courts, and a strong resistance from other branches of government, so maybe there's hope, that we're not going to become a banana republic after all. A strong opposition is rising up.

 

[Godboy]

More worthless insults that amount to nothing. You're not defending any position with a logical argument or evidence, you're just slinging insults. That's the refuge of a weak argument, that is indefensible.

What do i need to defend against? Her unhinged rant that Musk isnt elected and therefore isnt allowed to be in charge of DOGE? Its a childlike argument that deserves no serious response.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

How is that going to improve education in America, by defunding it? Elon Musk wants America dumb, that way he can continue doing this:

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You're just hurting yourself and your country, letting these oligarchs take control and strip you of your rights, your power as an American citizen, and your commonwealth.

Sixty years of liberalism has already made Americans dumb. How else can you explain why we have people like you hysterically defending government corruption and waste.

 

[Godboy]

If that were the case I a socialist would join you in eliminating waste, fraud and corruption. I hate that shit, just as much as you do. The problem is that what these right-wing billionaires identify as "waste" isn't really a waste, and much (not all, but much), of what they identify as fraud and corrupt within the context of TRUMP, is bullshit.

They identified several examples. Plays in Ireland, transgender comic books in Peru, etc. In what world is that not waste?

Furthermore, why in the holy **** would you expect our side to be ok with USAID funneling millions of dollars into leftwing groups every god damn year? THATS why your politicians are mad. They want to keep their decades old gravy train, but we wont allow it, so they spew a bunch of dishonest horseshit to obfuscate their real motivation for being against it, but its not going to work.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Sixty years of liberalism has already made Americans dumb. How else can you explain why we have people like you hysterically defending government corruption and waste.

You're conflating hippie "liberation" with economic and political liberty and power. One has nothing to do with the other. You're the one who is hysterically pretending government social services like Medicaid and food stamps, or FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) or our Department of Education is waste or "corrupt" and should be scrapped. These billionaires aren't on your side, they will cut everything they can from the government, even programs that improve people's lives, privatizing and owning as much as they can of our commonwealth. You're handing it all to them on a silver platter and that's truly what's DUMB.

 

[Godboy]

These billionaires aren't on your side, they will cut everything they can from the government, even programs that improve people's lives, privatizing and owning as much as they can of our commonwealth. You're handing it all to them on a silver platter and that's truly what's DUMB.

Bankrupting our nation in the future is not worth "improving some peoples lives" today. We need to cut a trillion ******* dollars from our budget. There are going to have to be cuts that hurt people. This is the price for having 2 decades of wild spending sprees.

Warren voted for every single absurd spending spree since she was elected. SHE is responsible for this mess.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

You're conflating hippie "liberation" with economic and political liberty and power. One has nothing to do with the other. You're the one who is hysterically pretending government social services like Medicaid and food stamps, or FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) or our Department of Education is waste or "corrupt" and should be scrapped. These billionaires aren't on your side, they will cut everything they can from the government, even programs that improve people's lives, privatizing and owning as much as they can of our commonwealth. You're handing it all to them on a silver platter and that's truly what's DUMB.

I suggested none of those things . Your brainwashed preconfigured mind invented them.

 

[The Duke]

A portion of it is going to reduce the deficit. The government is too obese with the trickle down paying off the top and the middle before it gets to the citizens at a reduced level. We have government workers defying going to work in office buildings now since Covid. There are too many people that are politically motivated in government employment. Perhaps lobbyists need to be trimmed with any other action also. We all like the government cushioning in difficult times and for social programs. It is to be fair and to clean up anyone stealing from the system that needs to be removed while enforcing efficiencies.

Perhaps?! Lobbyists should be branded as the criminal bribers that they are!

 

[The Duke]

That's not up to Trump or Elon to decide, that has to be determined by the Supreme Court. Not you or me, or even Trump, our president. We don't live in an absolute monarchy, with a monarch determining what is Constitutional and what isn't. That's for the courts to decide, not the executive branch of government. POTUS isn't in that arena, SCOTUS is.

Hello ignorant Commie retard. FYI, everything they're chopping is under the purview of the Executive branch and all serve at the pleasure of the president. Those last 6 words are ones you should familiarize yourself with.
Learn 'em. Know 'em. Deal with 'em.