War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[MisterBeale]

 

[KissMy]

In Assad's interview with Charlie Rose that will air tonight on PBS, he was "very concerned that a US strike would degrade his own military and therefore make it more likely that it might tip the balance."

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[Kondor3]

In Assad's interview with Charlie Rose that will air tonight on PBS, he was "very concerned that a US strike would degrade his own military and therefore make it more likely that it might tip the balance."

Bright boy, eh?

 

[paulitician]

Again, if the Republicans vote against this, and Assad launches a bigger attack, then they will own that attack.

Not our business. It's their Civil War. No one in this country 'owns' anything going on in Syria. We have our own problems right here at home.

 

[paulitician]

Desperate times. Lindsey Graham just said, if we don't go to War with Syria, we'll probably get Nuked. Huh? Saaaay Whaaaa?

I looked it UP...when did he say that? "Just said it" Gracie?

Try again...

Pick up a Newspaper or check out the Interwebs. Lindsey Graham is a buffoon.

 

[Kondor3]

Again, if the Republicans vote against this, and Assad launches a bigger attack, then they will own that attack.

Not our business. It's their Civil War. No one in this country 'owns' anything going on in Syria. We have our own problems right here at home.

Agreed.

Saying that Party A or B 'owns' an attack, should we come to our senses and refuse to intervene, strikes me as convoluted logic, and just plain silly.

Especially if we end-up walking away, saying: "It's not our business. Have fun with your little war. Wake us up when you're done playing."

"Not our business" means just that... not our business... nothing to do with us... past, present and future.

 

[paulitician]

Desperate times. Lindsey Graham just said, if we don't go to War with Syria, we'll probably get Nuked. Huh? Saaaay Whaaaa?

A couple of hours ago I heard someone on faaar Left Pacifica Radio make that same claim and dismissed it as tin-foil fiction. Maybe our "leaders" really are confused about how much harder it is for them to lie effectively in cyberspace? What false flags might occur if Obama isn't successful in attacking Assad? I'll try on the tin-foil hat first and suggest Bibi instigating a USS Liberty-type assault on US boots currently on the ground in Jordan (probably with Assad's Sarin gas).

No 'Slam Dunk' for Big Brother on this one. And that's obviously very disturbing to him. The Sheep are straying from the herd a bit. Now he's playing the Nuke-Card? Yikes! What a farce.

 

[Camp]

Kerry demands Assad give up all chem weapons to avoid an American strike. Putin suggest Assad give up chem weapons to UN control and offers assistance. The peace plan is emerging. Assad is being put in a box.

 

[paulitician]

Kerry demands Assad give up all chem weapons to avoid an American strike. Putin suggest Assad give up chem weapons to UN control and offers assistance. The peace plan is emerging. Assad is being put in a box.

Sounds reasonable. Putin seems to be the voice of reason in this mess. He's made Obama & Kerry look like poor misguided Warmongers.

 

[Kondor3]

Kerry demands Assad give up all chem weapons to avoid an American strike. Putin suggest Assad give up chem weapons to UN control and offers assistance. The peace plan is emerging. Assad is being put in a box.

Yeppers...

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Russia urges Syria hand over chemical weapons to intl control to avoid strike

RT (Russian) - Published time: September 09, 2013 14:16 - Edited time: September 09, 2013 16:37 (Moscow Time)

Russia has urged Syria to put its chemical weapons under international control for subsequent destruction to avert a possible military strike.

“We are calling on the Syrian authorities not only agree on putting chemical weapons storages under international control, but also for its further destruction and then joining the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons,” Lavrov said. “We have passed our offer to [Syrian Foreign Minister] Walid al-Muallem and hope to receive a fast and positive answer,” he added.

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The Foreign Minister’s statement comes shortly after US Secretary of State John Kerry’s comment that the Syrian President “could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community” to avoid a military strike on the country.

"Sure, he could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week - turn it over, all of it without delay and allow the full and total accounting [of it[, but he isn't about to do it and it can't be done," Kerry said.

Following Kerry’s statement, a US State Department spokeswoman clarified that “Secretary Kerry was making a rhetorical argument about the impossibility and unlikelihood of Assad turning over chemical weapons”.

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The Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem said that Damascus was ready for "full cooperation with Russia to remove any pretext for aggression."

The Russian and Syrian Foreign Ministers met in Moscow on Monday.

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Russia urges Syria hand over chemical weapons to intl control to avoid strike ? RT News

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Putin checkmates Obama?

(taking away our excuse to hit Syria?)

 

[Kondor3]

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control


CBS/AP/ September 9, 2013, 12:21 PM

MOSCOW Syria's foreign minister says his country welcomes Russia's proposal for it to place its chemical weapons under international control and then dismantle them quickly to avert U.S. strikes.

Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem stopped short of saying that the Syrian government had actually accepted the proposal.

"I state that the Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, motivated by the Syrian leadership's concern for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country, and also motivated by our confidence in the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is attempting to prevent American aggression against our people," he said.

The statement came a few hours after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Syrian President Bashar Assad could resolve the crisis surrounding the alleged use of chemical weapons by his forces by surrendering control of "every single bit" of his arsenal to the international community by the end of the week.

Hours after Kerry's statement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow would urge Syria to quickly put its chemical weapons under international control, then dismantle them.

Lavrov, who held talks with al-Moallem in Moscow earlier in the day, said he expected a quick positive answer from Damascus.

Al-Moallem, however, wouldn't give any further details in his brief statement and didn't take any questions.

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Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control - CBS News

 

[RandallFlagg]

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control


CBS/AP/ September 9, 2013, 12:21 PM

MOSCOW Syria's foreign minister says his country welcomes Russia's proposal for it to place its chemical weapons under international control and then dismantle them quickly to avert U.S. strikes.

Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem stopped short of saying that the Syrian government had actually accepted the proposal.

"I state that the Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, motivated by the Syrian leadership's concern for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country, and also motivated by our confidence in the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is attempting to prevent American aggression against our people," he said.

The statement came a few hours after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Syrian President Bashar Assad could resolve the crisis surrounding the alleged use of chemical weapons by his forces by surrendering control of "every single bit" of his arsenal to the international community by the end of the week.

Hours after Kerry's statement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow would urge Syria to quickly put its chemical weapons under international control, then dismantle them.

Lavrov, who held talks with al-Moallem in Moscow earlier in the day, said he expected a quick positive answer from Damascus.

Al-Moallem, however, wouldn't give any further details in his brief statement and didn't take any questions.

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Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control - CBS News

I see how Hillary "The Wide" has began insinuating herself into the discussion now. Setting herself up for a presidential run.

Look, as long as whatever happens DOESN'T include ONE DROP of American blood, Im all for it. If Assad can be convinced to give up the chems - then good job. He can then go on killing the opposition by the hundreds of thousands - since apparently no one really gives a hoot in hell about that.

I fail to see the logic here, but what the hell. As long as it gives our illustrious leader a way to finally look "presidential", so be it.

 

[Kondor3]

It would appear that Kerry said the wrong thing as Extempore, and was taken at his word by the Russians, who pounced on it like white-on-rice...

If that's the way it went-down behind the scenes, then, methinks ol' Vlad has managed to outflank Fearless Leader, and that Obama is going to have an even more difficult time trying to sell an airstrike to Congress...

Not sure, of course, but my Spidey-Sense tells me that Vlad just pulled the rug out from under Obama...

 

[georgephillip]

Desperate times. Lindsey Graham just said, if we don't go to War with Syria, we'll probably get Nuked. Huh? Saaaay Whaaaa?

A couple of hours ago I heard someone on faaar Left Pacifica Radio make that same claim and dismissed it as tin-foil fiction. Maybe our "leaders" really are confused about how much harder it is for them to lie effectively in cyberspace? What false flags might occur if Obama isn't successful in attacking Assad? I'll try on the tin-foil hat first and suggest Bibi instigating a USS Liberty-type assault on US boots currently on the ground in Jordan (probably with Assad's Sarin gas).

No 'Slam Dunk' for Big Brother on this one. And that's obviously very disturbing to him. The Sheep are straying from the herd a bit. Now he's playing the Nuke-Card? Yikes! What a farce.

More sheep need to halve their TV time and stray a little further into cyberspace.

 

[Bleipriester]

Um... err... you know... NO!

 

[percysunshine]

It would appear that Kerry said the wrong thing as Extempore, and was taken at his word by the Russians, who pounced on it like white-on-rice...

If that's the way it went-down behind the scenes, then, methinks ol' Vlad has managed to outflank Fearless Leader, and that Obama is going to have an even more difficult time trying to sell an airstrike to Congress...

Not sure, of course, but my Spidey-Sense tells me that Vlad just pulled the rug out from under Obama...

He saved Obamas butt. Look at the vote total at the top of the screen. 174 to 7...in USMB.

Obama was going to get reamed in Congress. Now they likely won't even vote.

 

[Bleipriester]

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control


CBS/AP/ September 9, 2013, 12:21 PM

MOSCOW Syria's foreign minister says his country welcomes Russia's proposal for it to place its chemical weapons under international control and then dismantle them quickly to avert U.S. strikes.

Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem stopped short of saying that the Syrian government had actually accepted the proposal.

"I state that the Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, motivated by the Syrian leadership's concern for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country, and also motivated by our confidence in the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is attempting to prevent American aggression against our people," he said.

The statement came a few hours after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Syrian President Bashar Assad could resolve the crisis surrounding the alleged use of chemical weapons by his forces by surrendering control of "every single bit" of his arsenal to the international community by the end of the week.

Hours after Kerry's statement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow would urge Syria to quickly put its chemical weapons under international control, then dismantle them.

Lavrov, who held talks with al-Moallem in Moscow earlier in the day, said he expected a quick positive answer from Damascus.

Al-Moallem, however, wouldn't give any further details in his brief statement and didn't take any questions.

...

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control - CBS News

I see how Hillary "The Wide" has began insinuating herself into the discussion now. Setting herself up for a presidential run.

Look, as long as whatever happens DOESN'T include ONE DROP of American blood, Im all for it. If Assad can be convinced to give up the chems - then good job. He can then go on killing the opposition by the hundreds of thousands - since apparently no one really gives a hoot in hell about that.

I fail to see the logic here, but what the hell. As long as it gives our illustrious leader a way to finally look "presidential", so be it.

It would cost reputation to kill the civilians protectiong the sites and ignore a country´s souvereignty and your leader doesn´t look "presidential" but contradictory.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control


CBS/AP/ September 9, 2013, 12:21 PM

MOSCOW Syria's foreign minister says his country welcomes Russia's proposal for it to place its chemical weapons under international control and then dismantle them quickly to avert U.S. strikes.

Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem stopped short of saying that the Syrian government had actually accepted the proposal.

"I state that the Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, motivated by the Syrian leadership's concern for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country, and also motivated by our confidence in the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is attempting to prevent American aggression against our people," he said.

The statement came a few hours after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Syrian President Bashar Assad could resolve the crisis surrounding the alleged use of chemical weapons by his forces by surrendering control of "every single bit" of his arsenal to the international community by the end of the week.

Hours after Kerry's statement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow would urge Syria to quickly put its chemical weapons under international control, then dismantle them.

Lavrov, who held talks with al-Moallem in Moscow earlier in the day, said he expected a quick positive answer from Damascus.

Al-Moallem, however, wouldn't give any further details in his brief statement and didn't take any questions.

...

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control - CBS News

I see how Hillary "The Wide" has began insinuating herself into the discussion now. Setting herself up for a presidential run.

Look, as long as whatever happens DOESN'T include ONE DROP of American blood, Im all for it. If Assad can be convinced to give up the chems - then good job. He can then go on killing the opposition by the hundreds of thousands - since apparently no one really gives a hoot in hell about that.

I fail to see the logic here, but what the hell. As long as it gives our illustrious leader a way to finally look "presidential", so be it.

It would cost reputation to kill the civilians protectiong the sites and ignore a country´s souvereignty and your leader doesn´t look "presidential" but contradictory.

Indeed..

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Obama just said the most ridiculous thing in an interview, he said Assad must now sign the chemical weapons treaty. Now, we are taking sovereignty from nations and demanding they sign intl treaties as we command. Well, why dont we force Israel to sign the UN NONPROLIFERATION TREATY then? And Israel has not ratified the chemical weapons treaty. And if we really expect Syria and others to abide by the Chemical Weapons treaty, should we not stop violating its provisions ourself and stop sending chemical weapons to Israel to use against civilians in violation of that treaty?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control


CBS/AP/ September 9, 2013, 12:21 PM

MOSCOW Syria's foreign minister says his country welcomes Russia's proposal for it to place its chemical weapons under international control and then dismantle them quickly to avert U.S. strikes.

Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem stopped short of saying that the Syrian government had actually accepted the proposal.

"I state that the Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, motivated by the Syrian leadership's concern for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country, and also motivated by our confidence in the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is attempting to prevent American aggression against our people," he said.

The statement came a few hours after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Syrian President Bashar Assad could resolve the crisis surrounding the alleged use of chemical weapons by his forces by surrendering control of "every single bit" of his arsenal to the international community by the end of the week.

Hours after Kerry's statement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow would urge Syria to quickly put its chemical weapons under international control, then dismantle them.

Lavrov, who held talks with al-Moallem in Moscow earlier in the day, said he expected a quick positive answer from Damascus.

Al-Moallem, however, wouldn't give any further details in his brief statement and didn't take any questions.

...

Syria says it "welcomes" Russian proposal to place chemical weapons under international control - CBS News

I see how Hillary "The Wide" has began insinuating herself into the discussion now. Setting herself up for a presidential run.

Look, as long as whatever happens DOESN'T include ONE DROP of American blood, Im all for it. If Assad can be convinced to give up the chems - then good job. He can then go on killing the opposition by the hundreds of thousands - since apparently no one really gives a hoot in hell about that.

I fail to see the logic here, but what the hell. As long as it gives our illustrious leader a way to finally look "presidential", so be it.

It would cost reputation to kill the civilians protectiong the sites and ignore a country´s souvereignty and your leader doesn´t look "presidential" but contradictory.

Yes, killing those Syrian Christian human shields would not be looked at favorably.