War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[Desperado]

This is getting more and more like the excuses we used to invade Iraq.
Now with Syria, it started as we have drawn a red line and the Assad Administration crossed that line by using gas on their own people.
Americans were not buying into this ploy for a reason to attack. No real proof that Assad was the guilty one.
Then the Israeli Mossad provided proof positive that it was Assad and his henchman. Again no positive proof, just their word on the matter. Sound familiar? Again, Americans were not buying it, Something about fool me once......
Now we are being told that we have to punish Syria, to set a precedence for Iran and North Korea.
WTF, Some how you knew that Iran would be worked into the war propaganda, just a matter of time.

 

[Hoffstra]

174 NO

7 YES


wow, this war is very unpopular in the USA.

Too bad Congress doesn't give a shit what the American people think.

They only care about the big money $$$$$ (AIPAC).

 

[georgephillip]

Admitting that you have been a habitual anti-American asshole your whole life is not a valid reason to still be one.

"Are You Ready to Go to War for Bibi Netanyahu and the Saudis?
By Larry Johnson on September 8, 2013 at 12:30 AM in Current Affairs
Strange bedfellows indeed. Bibi Netanyahu, with the full throated backing of the American Israeli Political Action Committee, and the Saudis have mounted an impressive, coordinated effort to push the United States into moving against Syria as a means of weakening Iran. Important to note, key Israeli intelligence and military leaders are against this.

Are you ready, Slave?

Are You Ready to Go to War for Bibi Netanyahu and the Saudis? : NO QUARTER USA NET

It's amusing how Georgie Boy entertains himself with these forums since there is nothing else going on in his life, but one would think that he would at least make the effort to send Letters to the Editors of his local newspapers since more people would see his stuff than on these forums. Here is one from the Los Angeles Daily News which you could answer Georgie Boy. You can call this letter writer a Slave to Obama and then see what responses you get. In fact, you can keep an eye out for all the Letters to the Editors in all the newspapers of Los Angeles County and have a good time spending the day answering those you feel like and millions of citizens will see your letters.
Let’s not forget Obama took out Osama bin Laden: Letters
Let’s not forget Obama took out Osama bin LadenRe “Nothing surprising about Obama’s indecisiveness” (Letters, Sept. 3):The anti-Obama letter writer who said there is “nothing surprising about Obama’s indecisiveness” regarding Syria, and dismissed the president as nothing more than a community organizer, conveniently forgets one important fact. It was Obama who made the tough decision to take out Osama bin Laden...

"Watching the propaganda effort underway in the West, especially the United States, it is Deja vu all over again.

"Following the Bush blueprint of repeating the mantra of Saddam, WMDs and 9-11 to justify going to war against Iraq, the Obama playbook is using the specter of dead children, WMDS in the hands of terrorists and Iran run amuck to try to scare the American public into doing the same stupid thing.

The Saudis and the Netanyahu crowd are pushing this desperate line and the Obama Administration is going along with the charade.

"Obama repeats this nonsense without pausing to acknowledge the absurd inconsistencies in his position. Take the WMD issue. At present, Syria’s military retains tight control over the stockpiles of Chemical weapons.

"The rebels fighting the Syria Government have been kept at bay, so far. And Obama’s solution? Degrade the Syrian military, which means a higher likelihood that those chemical weapons depots would fall into the hands of the Syria Islamic jihadists eager to oust Bashir Assad and create their own version Sharia rule.

"Yeah, that’s a great plan."

Are You Ready to Go to War for Bibi Netanyahu and the Saudis? : NO QUARTER USA NET

 

[Camp]

[QUOTE=georgephillip;7802662

"Obama repeats this nonsense without pausing to acknowledge the absurd inconsistencies in his position. Take the WMD issue. At present, Syria’s military retains tight control over the stockpiles of Chemical weapons.

If Syria retains control of it's WMD's, where did the chemical agents used in the attack come from. Are you saying there was no attack? Are you saying if there was an attack, only the government forces had access to the agents and therefore are responsible? How is it that you have this knowledge of "tight control" and what does it mean? Are you suggesting that allegations that these weapons were used by rogue government forces are incorrect and impossible?

 

[georgephillip]

This is getting more and more like the excuses we used to invade Iraq.
Now with Syria, it started as we have drawn a red line and the Assad Administration crossed that line by using gas on their own people.
Americans were not buying into this ploy for a reason to attack. No real proof that Assad was the guilty one.
Then the Israeli Mossad provided proof positive that it was Assad and his henchman. Again no positive proof, just their word on the matter. Sound familiar? Again, Americans were not buying it, Something about fool me once......
Now we are being told that we have to punish Syria, to set a precedence for Iran and North Korea.
WTF, Some how you knew that Iran would be worked into the war propaganda, just a matter of time.

We should never forget where Syria and Iraq came from, IMHO

"The Sykes–Picot Agreement, officially known as the Asia Minor Agreement, was a secret agreement between the governments of the United Kingdom and France,[1] with the assent of Russia, defining their proposed spheres of influence and control in the Middle East should the Triple Entente succeed in defeating the Ottoman Empire during World War I. The negotiation of the treaty occurred between November 1915 and March 1916.[2] The agreement was concluded on 16 May 1916.[3]

"The agreement effectively divided the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire outside the Arabian peninsula into areas of future British and French control or influence.[4] The terms were negotiated by the French diplomat François Georges-Picot and British Sir Mark Sykes. The Russian Tsarist government was a minor party to the Sykes–Picot agreement, and when, following the Russian Revolution of October 1917, the Bolsheviks exposed the agreement, 'the British were embarrassed, the Arabs dismayed and the Turks delighted.'

Powerful police states had to be implemented a hundred years ago in order to establish and maintain western-colonial enterprises like Syria, Iraq, and even in Israel prior to 1948 (at least). Today the powers-that-be apparently have decided to break up states like Iraq and Syria, possibly to carve out a "Free Kurdistan" (garrisoned by NATO) to protect 21st Century oil pipeline routes.

Saudi Arabia?s ?Chemical Bandar? behind the Chemical Attacks in Syria? | Global Research

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

"Are You Ready to Go to War for Bibi Netanyahu and the Saudis?
By Larry Johnson on September 8, 2013 at 12:30 AM in Current Affairs
Strange bedfellows indeed. Bibi Netanyahu, with the full throated backing of the American Israeli Political Action Committee, and the Saudis have mounted an impressive, coordinated effort to push the United States into moving against Syria as a means of weakening Iran. Important to note, key Israeli intelligence and military leaders are against this.

Are you ready, Slave?

Are You Ready to Go to War for Bibi Netanyahu and the Saudis? : NO QUARTER USA NET

It's amusing how Georgie Boy entertains himself with these forums since there is nothing else going on in his life, but one would think that he would at least make the effort to send Letters to the Editors of his local newspapers since more people would see his stuff than on these forums. Here is one from the Los Angeles Daily News which you could answer Georgie Boy. You can call this letter writer a Slave to Obama and then see what responses you get. In fact, you can keep an eye out for all the Letters to the Editors in all the newspapers of Los Angeles County and have a good time spending the day answering those you feel like and millions of citizens will see your letters.
Let’s not forget Obama took out Osama bin Laden: Letters
Let’s not forget Obama took out Osama bin LadenRe “Nothing surprising about Obama’s indecisiveness” (Letters, Sept. 3):The anti-Obama letter writer who said there is “nothing surprising about Obama’s indecisiveness” regarding Syria, and dismissed the president as nothing more than a community organizer, conveniently forgets one important fact. It was Obama who made the tough decision to take out Osama bin Laden...

"Watching the propaganda effort underway in the West, especially the United States, it is Deja vu all over again.

"Following the Bush blueprint of repeating the mantra of Saddam, WMDs and 9-11 to justify going to war against Iraq, the Obama playbook is using the specter of dead children, WMDS in the hands of terrorists and Iran run amuck to try to scare the American public into doing the same stupid thing.

The Saudis and the Netanyahu crowd are pushing this desperate line and the Obama Administration is going along with the charade.

"Obama repeats this nonsense without pausing to acknowledge the absurd inconsistencies in his position. Take the WMD issue. At present, Syria’s military retains tight control over the stockpiles of Chemical weapons.

"The rebels fighting the Syria Government have been kept at bay, so far. And Obama’s solution? Degrade the Syrian military, which means a higher likelihood that those chemical weapons depots would fall into the hands of the Syria Islamic jihadists eager to oust Bashir Assad and create their own version Sharia rule.

"Yeah, that’s a great plan."

Are You Ready to Go to War for Bibi Netanyahu and the Saudis? : NO QUARTER USA NET

Let me share my experience with you about writing letters to Bibi. He will not answer you, you will get a form letter stating his office is too busy to respond.

 

[georgephillip]

Some are suggesting more than one side in the Syrian conflict has access to chemical weapons and the means to deliver them.

Saudi Arabia?s ?Chemical Bandar? behind the Chemical Attacks in Syria? | Global Research

"An Israeli-Saudi-US conspiracy?

"The US-supported anti-government forces fighting inside Syria are the ones that have a track record of using chemical weapons. Yet, Obama and company have said nothing."

"Despite the anti-government forces accusations that the Syrian military launched a chemical weapon attack on Homs at Christmas in December 2012, CNN reported that the US military was training anti-government fighters with the securing and handling of chemical weapons. Under the name of the Destructive Wind Chemical Battalion, the insurgents themselves even threatened to use nerve gas and released a video where they killed rabbits as a demonstration of what they planned on doing in Syria."

I don't think Obama knows who was responsible for the latest atrocity in Syria, but I seriously doubt killing more Syrians will help; there is no military solution in Syria, IMHO.

 

[toastman]

Some are suggesting more than one side in the Syrian conflict has access to chemical weapons and the means to deliver them.

Saudi Arabia?s ?Chemical Bandar? behind the Chemical Attacks in Syria? | Global Research

"An Israeli-Saudi-US conspiracy?

"The US-supported anti-government forces fighting inside Syria are the ones that have a track record of using chemical weapons. Yet, Obama and company have said nothing."

"Despite the anti-government forces accusations that the Syrian military launched a chemical weapon attack on Homs at Christmas in December 2012, CNN reported that the US military was training anti-government fighters with the securing and handling of chemical weapons. Under the name of the Destructive Wind Chemical Battalion, the insurgents themselves even threatened to use nerve gas and released a video where they killed rabbits as a demonstration of what they planned on doing in Syria."

I don't think Obama knows who was responsible for the latest atrocity in Syria, but I seriously doubt killing more Syrians will help; there is no military solution in Syria, IMHO.

Then what do you see as the solution ?
Let the current war just play out ?? I also don't want a war with the U.S and Syria, but I also don't believe that doing nothing will help

 

[paulitician]

Desperate times. Lindsey Graham just said, if we don't go to War with Syria, we'll probably get Nuked. Huh? Saaaay Whaaaa?

 

[The T]

Desperate times. Lindsey Graham just said, if we don't go to War with Syria, we'll probably get Nuked. Huh? Saaaay Whaaaa?

Have a link to that? Or should I look it up...my first reaction was to ask by whom?

 

[The T]

Desperate times. Lindsey Graham just said, if we don't go to War with Syria, we'll probably get Nuked. Huh? Saaaay Whaaaa?

I looked it UP...when did he say that? "Just said it" Gracie?

Try again...

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't think Graham said that, but he and McCain are among the hawks who do think Congress has to support Obama in punative measures against Syria. Both have made their arguments, and I listened really carefully. Both are of the opinion that Syria doesn't matter so much as what Iran will think if we give Syria a pass--they think Iran will see that as a full speed ahead signal because the USA lacks the balls to do anything to anybody.

But personally, I think anything but a fearsome blow taking out all of Syria's bases, et al, won't have much effect on anything other than giving al Qaida something additional to use as justification for targeting us infidels.

So here's the plan I've come up with. Let's send Congress to Syria to deal with it. Or at least those who are so gung ho to kill some people and blow stuff up.

Deal?

 

[Hossfly]

I must have missed some pages in this never ending thread Hossfly. Are you for war with Syria?

No American involvement. Let the sonsabitches kill each other and let Allah sort 'em out.

 

[Kondor3]

174 NO

7 YES


wow, this war is very unpopular in the USA.

Too bad Congress doesn't give a shit what the American people think.

They only care about the big money $$$$$ (AIPAC).

Yeah, yeah, yeah... we know... it's all the Jews' doing...

 

[georgephillip]

Desperate times. Lindsey Graham just said, if we don't go to War with Syria, we'll probably get Nuked. Huh? Saaaay Whaaaa?

A couple of hours ago I heard someone on faaar Left Pacifica Radio make that same claim and dismissed it as tin-foil fiction. Maybe our "leaders" really are confused about how much harder it is for them to lie effectively in cyberspace? What false flags might occur if Obama isn't successful in attacking Assad? I'll try on the tin-foil hat first and suggest Bibi instigating a USS Liberty-type assault on US boots currently on the ground in Jordan (probably with Assad's Sarin gas).

 

[georgephillip]

Some are suggesting more than one side in the Syrian conflict has access to chemical weapons and the means to deliver them.

Saudi Arabia?s ?Chemical Bandar? behind the Chemical Attacks in Syria? | Global Research

"An Israeli-Saudi-US conspiracy?

"The US-supported anti-government forces fighting inside Syria are the ones that have a track record of using chemical weapons. Yet, Obama and company have said nothing."

"Despite the anti-government forces accusations that the Syrian military launched a chemical weapon attack on Homs at Christmas in December 2012, CNN reported that the US military was training anti-government fighters with the securing and handling of chemical weapons. Under the name of the Destructive Wind Chemical Battalion, the insurgents themselves even threatened to use nerve gas and released a video where they killed rabbits as a demonstration of what they planned on doing in Syria."

I don't think Obama knows who was responsible for the latest atrocity in Syria, but I seriously doubt killing more Syrians will help; there is no military solution in Syria, IMHO.

Then what do you see as the solution ?
Let the current war just play out ?? I also don't want a war with the U.S and Syria, but I also don't believe that doing nothing will help

I suspect you are right.
It's possible doing anything militarily will make it worse.
90% to 95% of Americans in some congressional districts want no part of more war in Syria.
Nationwide, I think it's around 50% who oppose missile strikes on Assad.
Perhaps the best we can do at this point is say "majority rules" and be on high alert for any incident remotely resembling a false flag operation and know the stakes become much higher when Graham and McCain start calling for missile strikes on Iran.

 

[R.C. Christian]

If regime change is the goal, and I believe it is, then they're going to come at them with a lot more than pretty cruise missiles.

 

[Kondor3]

Analysis: Obama growing isolated on Syria as support wanes

U.S. President Barack Obama pauses during a news conference at the G20 Summit in St. Petersburg September 6, 2013. Credit: Reuters/Kevin Lamarque

(Reuters) - White House efforts to convince the U.S. Congress to back military action against Syria are not only failing, they seem to be stiffening the opposition.

That was the assessment on Sunday, not of an opponent but of an early and ardent Republican supporter of Obama's plan for attacking Syria, the influential Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee, Mike Rogers.

Rogers told CBS's "Face the Nation" the White House had made a "confusing mess" of the Syria issue. Now, he said, "I'm skeptical myself."

Congress will be in session on Monday for the first time since the August recess. Debate on Syria could begin in the full Senate this week, with voting as early as Wednesday. The House of Representatives could take up the issue later this week or next.

Obama is expected to spend the next several days in personal meetings with members.

Some Democratic opponents of a military strike, meanwhile, were looking for a way to spare Obama's administration the effects of a "no" vote.

Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts suggested that the president withdraw his request before it is defeated, saying on CNN's "State of the Union" that there was insufficient support for it in Congress.

...

Most opponents of the proposed U.S. military strike do not contest the administration's view that the Syrian government gassed its own people on August 21. Their expressed concerns focus instead on the effectiveness and potential unintended consequences of a U.S. military response.

Only about a quarter of the Senate's 100 members and fewer than 25 members of the 435-seat House have been willing to go on record in support of Obama's request, according to a tally by the Washington Post. Seventeen senators and 111 House members are on record against.

Leaders of both parties have characterized Syria as a "conscience vote," not subject to the usual pressure for party discipline. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, for example, has not made a personal pitch for votes in any of the five "Dear Colleague" letters she has sent her fellow Democrats.

...

Rogers, among others, faults Obama for not starting months ago to build congressional and public support on Syria.

"They don't have strong relationships in Congress today - that's a huge problem for them," said Rogers. "I think it's very clear he's lost support in the last week.

...

Analysis: Obama growing isolated on Syria as support wanes | Reuters

 

[JoeB131]

Again, if the Republicans vote against this, and Assad launches a bigger attack, then they will own that attack.

 

[georgephillip]

Again, if the Republicans vote against this, and Assad launches a bigger attack, then they will own that attack.

How do you know Assad perpetrated the attack on Guta, and even if he did, there's evidence of some of the rebels employing chemical weapons as well?

Saudi Arabia?s ?Chemical Bandar? behind the Chemical Attacks in Syria? | Global Research

"Despite the anti-government forces accusations that the Syrian military launched a chemical weapon attack on Homs at Christmas in December 2012, CNN reported that the US military was training anti-government fighters with the securing and handling of chemical weapons. Under the name of the Destructive Wind Chemical Battalion, the insurgents themselves even threatened to use nerve gas and released a video where they killed rabbits as a demonstration of what they planned on doing in Syria."