War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[SherriMunnerlyn]

UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia. Russia says the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated. PressTV - UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

awwwwwwwwwwww

CIA documents reveal USA stockpile of chemical weapons too!

and also ..... you can throw one or two nuclear weapons to the mix! LOL

so..........what you going to do about it?

If there's one country the world shouldn't trust with that stockpile of weapons, it would the country that has bombed and strafed 10 countries in the past 20 years..

I sometimes think we should have the keys taken away for a month or two..
Especially with the complete absence of ingenuity that our leaders have shown on Syria.

I don't have a problem with USA or Israel having these weapons.

I have a big problem with some crazy Middle Eastern Regimes having them.

Not surprised you have no problems with the US or Israel blowing up the world. What Hypocrisy!

 

[georgephillip]

Seems the AP isn't too impressed with President Obama's speech tonight:

By: Calvin Woodward (Associated Press)

President Barack Obama voiced his conviction Tuesday night that Syrian President Bashar Assad was to blame for deadly chemical attacks against civilians, but again he offered no proof.

A look at his remarks to the nation, seeking support for a military strike against Syria, and how they compare with the facts as publicly known:

OBAMA: "We know the Assad regime was responsible.... The facts cannot be denied."

THE FACTS: The Obama administration has not laid out proof Assad was behind the attack.

The administration has cited satellite imagery and communications intercepts, backed by social media and intelligence reports from sources in Syria, as the basis for blaming the Assad government. But the only evidence the administration has made public is a collection of videos it has verified of the victims. The videos do not demonstrate who launched the attacks.


Read more: AP FACT CHECK SHATTERS OBAMA SYRIA SPEECH - Fox Nation

"The White House has declined to explain where it came up with the figure of at least 1,429 dead, including 400 children — a figure far higher than estimates by nongovernmental agencies such as the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has counted only victims identified by name, with a current total of 502.

"In his remarks, Obama more generally accused Assad's forces of gassing to death 'over 1,000 people, including hundreds of children.'"

AP FACT CHECK SHATTERS OBAMA SYRIA SPEECH - Fox Nation

Possibly the internet is making it more difficult for tools like Kerry and Assad to govern?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Seems the AP isn't too impressed with President Obama's speech tonight:

By: Calvin Woodward (Associated Press)

President Barack Obama voiced his conviction Tuesday night that Syrian President Bashar Assad was to blame for deadly chemical attacks against civilians, but again he offered no proof.

A look at his remarks to the nation, seeking support for a military strike against Syria, and how they compare with the facts as publicly known:

OBAMA: "We know the Assad regime was responsible.... The facts cannot be denied."

THE FACTS: The Obama administration has not laid out proof Assad was behind the attack.

The administration has cited satellite imagery and communications intercepts, backed by social media and intelligence reports from sources in Syria, as the basis for blaming the Assad government. But the only evidence the administration has made public is a collection of videos it has verified of the victims. The videos do not demonstrate who launched the attacks.


Read more: AP FACT CHECK SHATTERS OBAMA SYRIA SPEECH - Fox Nation

"The White House has declined to explain where it came up with the figure of at least 1,429 dead, including 400 children — a figure far higher than estimates by nongovernmental agencies such as the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has counted only victims identified by name, with a current total of 502.

"In his remarks, Obama more generally accused Assad's forces of gassing to death 'over 1,000 people, including hundreds of children.'"

AP FACT CHECK SHATTERS OBAMA SYRIA SPEECH - Fox Nation

Possibly the internet is making it more difficult for tools like Kerry and Assad to govern?

The custom has simply evolved of telling lies to start wars. The only way the American people can stop these wars based on lies is do exactly what Americans just did to stop strikes against Syria.

 

[paulitician]

UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia. Russia says the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated. PressTV - UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia

I said it was all War Propaganda B.S. from the beginning. There was absolutely no benefit to Assad in using Chemical Weapons. It didn't happen.

 

[Uncensored2008]

CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons

*Wednesday September 11, 2013 00:27*by SaA newly-discovered document of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency revealed Monday by Foreign Policy magazine shows that the U.S. agency had decisive evidence dating back to at least the 1980s that Israel had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons - International Middle East Media Center. What shall we do about this?

Don't be absurd.

Israel has nukes, what the hell would they need chemical weapons for?

 

[High_Gravity]

CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons

*Wednesday September 11, 2013 00:27*by SaA newly-discovered document of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency revealed Monday by Foreign Policy magazine shows that the U.S. agency had decisive evidence dating back to at least the 1980s that Israel had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons - International Middle East Media Center. What shall we do about this?

Don't be absurd.

Israel has nukes, what the hell would they need chemical weapons for?

Sherri hates Israel she will say anything to bad mouth them.

 

[Kondor3]

UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia. Russia says the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated. PressTV - UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia

I said it was all War Propaganda B.S. from the beginning. There was absolutely no benefit to Assad in using Chemical Weapons. It didn't happen.

Several of the video-clips that I saw of supposed 'victims' looked about as real as a $3-Dollar Bill... with amateur actors playing their first role in makeup... surprisingly ambulatory and spry for folks just exposed to nerve-gas and the like.

Still, the UN Human Rights Council is oftentimes more farce and non sequitur soapbox than anything else, and their present membership...

Current Membership of the HRC

...contains some of the worst offenders of human rights (including indentured servitude and pseudo-slavery) on the face of the planet, which does nothing for its credibility.

If the UN-HRC says they're fake, then, I think I want a second opinion.

Me... I'm waiting for the Report of the UN Weapons Team which left Syria last week, as the most likely objective arbiter of whether or not the Assad Regime used such weapons.

Then again... regardless of WHO used them... IF, indeed, anyone at all... it's none of our friggin' business; the Euros and Arabs can handle this, while we sit this one out, for once.

Mebbe we can provide some logistics support and supply-line guardians, just to honor our alliances, but that should be it. We don't have to take-the-lead EVRY time, and we don't have to prop-up the Combat Arms part of the effort, ALL the time, do we?

 

[Kondor3]

CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons

*Wednesday September 11, 2013 00:27*by SaA newly-discovered document of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency revealed Monday by Foreign Policy magazine shows that the U.S. agency had decisive evidence dating back to at least the 1980s that Israel had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons - International Middle East Media Center. What shall we do about this?

Don't be absurd.

Israel has nukes, what the hell would they need chemical weapons for?

Sherri hates Israel she will say anything to bad mouth them.

Even if Israel DOES have chemical weapons stockpiles...

They would exist only as a final, desperate defensive tactic, should the Barbarians (the enemy liver-eaters and heart-eaters) ever again get over the walls, and there was no other choice (other than playing the even worse nuclear card) in order to save The Nation, if its back is ever up against the Mediterranean...

And I cannot imagine a scenario in which Jews would be using nerve-gas on Jews, in light of their experiences in the 1930s and 1940s...

The Syrians, on the other hand, are apparently using nerve-gas on their own people...

Which is a whole 'nother level of Barbaric, and about as despicable a war-crime as one can conjure...

If anyone in that Region is to be trusted with chemical weapons...

I would much rather that the sane, rational, pragmatic Israelis possess them, rather than their foaming-at-the-mouth mad-dog liver- and heart-eating Barbarian-neighbors.

 

[Foxfyre]

If there's one country the world shouldn't trust with that stockpile of weapons, it would the country that has bombed and strafed 10 countries in the past 20 years..

I sometimes think we should have the keys taken away for a month or two..
Especially with the complete absence of ingenuity that our leaders have shown on Syria.

I don't have a problem with USA or Israel having these weapons.

I have a big problem with some crazy Middle Eastern Regimes having them.

Not surprised you have no problems with the US or Israel blowing up the world. What Hypocrisy!

Neither the USA nor Israel have a track record of blowing up people without any reason other than they don't like them or wish to obliterate them from the face of the Earth. Both nations, with great military power, have proven track records of using such weapons responsibly. Both the USA and Israel have a track record of going to great lengths to protect their own citizens, most especially women and children, and to minimize collateral damage to the innocents among their enemies.

Many of the more militant Islamic groups do have a track record of using weaponry irresponsibly or as terrorist tools to injure, maim, or kill as many civilians--men, women, and children--as possible because they consider nobody but themselves to be innocent. They have a track record of placing their weaponry among women and children to ensure maximum carnage of their own in event of retalitory strikes, just so they can accuse the other side of atrocities.

I honestly don't care what manner of weapon Israel owns because Israel has proved itself to be non aggressive and responsible. Ditto the USA.

There aren't many predominantly Islamic nations I can say that about.

 

[Spoonman]

UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia. Russia says the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated. PressTV - UN rights council says Syria gas attack videos, photos fake: Russia

I said it was all War Propaganda B.S. from the beginning. There was absolutely no benefit to Assad in using Chemical Weapons. It didn't happen.

Several of the video-clips that I saw of supposed 'victims' looked about as real as a $3-Dollar Bill... with amateur actors playing their first role in makeup... surprisingly ambulatory and spry for folks just exposed to nerve-gas and the like.

Still, the UN Human Rights Council is oftentimes more farce and non sequitur soapbox than anything else, and their present membership...

Current Membership of the HRC

...contains some of the worst offenders of human rights (including indentured servitude and pseudo-slavery) on the face of the planet, which does nothing for its credibility.

If the UN-HRC says they're fake, then, I think I want a second opinion.

Me... I'm waiting for the Report of the UN Weapons Team which left Syria last week, as the most likely objective arbiter of whether or not the Assad Regime used such weapons.

Then again... regardless of WHO used them... IF, indeed, anyone at all... it's none of our friggin' business; the Euros and Arabs can handle this, while we sit this one out, for once.

Mebbe we can provide some logistics support and supply-line guardians, just to honor our alliances, but that should be it. We don't have to take-the-lead EVRY time, and we don't have to prop-up the Combat Arms part of the effort, ALL the time, do we?

really, i thought i was watching a bad night of the living dead remake

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I said it was all War Propaganda B.S. from the beginning. There was absolutely no benefit to Assad in using Chemical Weapons. It didn't happen.

Several of the video-clips that I saw of supposed 'victims' looked about as real as a $3-Dollar Bill... with amateur actors playing their first role in makeup... surprisingly ambulatory and spry for folks just exposed to nerve-gas and the like.

Still, the UN Human Rights Council is oftentimes more farce and non sequitur soapbox than anything else, and their present membership...

Current Membership of the HRC

...contains some of the worst offenders of human rights (including indentured servitude and pseudo-slavery) on the face of the planet, which does nothing for its credibility.

If the UN-HRC says they're fake, then, I think I want a second opinion.

Me... I'm waiting for the Report of the UN Weapons Team which left Syria last week, as the most likely objective arbiter of whether or not the Assad Regime used such weapons.

Then again... regardless of WHO used them... IF, indeed, anyone at all... it's none of our friggin' business; the Euros and Arabs can handle this, while we sit this one out, for once.

Mebbe we can provide some logistics support and supply-line guardians, just to honor our alliances, but that should be it. We don't have to take-the-lead EVRY time, and we don't have to prop-up the Combat Arms part of the effort, ALL the time, do we?

really, i thought i was watching a bad night of the living dead remake

Clarification: UN Human Rights Council says photos and videos fake. The United States Human Rights Watch is not saying that, their opinion is Assad carried out the attack. But they accept the fake photos as genuine and generally rely on circumstantial evidence. And they are not carrying out a full investigation.

 

[georgephillip]

CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons

*Wednesday September 11, 2013 00:27*by SaA newly-discovered document of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency revealed Monday by Foreign Policy magazine shows that the U.S. agency had decisive evidence dating back to at least the 1980s that Israel had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons - International Middle East Media Center. What shall we do about this?

Israel and the US are self-immunized from international law.
Who has murdered more children with chemical weapons over the last seven decades, Syria or the US?

"While we cannot confirm whether the Israelis possess lethal chemical agents," the document adds, "several indicators lead us to believe that they have available to them at least persistent and nonpersistent nerve agents, a mustard agent, and several riot-control agents, marched with suitable delivery systems."

"Whether Israel still maintains this alleged stockpile is unknown. In 1992, the Israeli government signed but never ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention, which bans such arms. (The Israeli embassy in Washington did not respond to requests to comment on this article.)

"The CIA estimate, a copy of which was sent to the White House, also shows that the U.S. intelligence community had suspicions about this stockpile for decades, and that the U.S. government kept mum about Israel's suspected possession of chemical weapons just as long."

Exclusive: Does Israel Have Chemical Weapons Too? - By Matthew M. Aid | Foreign Policy

 

[High_Gravity]

I don't have a problem with USA or Israel having these weapons.

I have a big problem with some crazy Middle Eastern Regimes having them.

Not surprised you have no problems with the US or Israel blowing up the world. What Hypocrisy!

Neither the USA nor Israel have a track record of blowing up people without any reason other than they don't like them or wish to obliterate them from the face of the Earth. Both nations, with great military power, have proven track records of using such weapons responsibly. Both the USA and Israel have a track record of going to great lengths to protect their own citizens, most especially women and children, and to minimize collateral damage to the innocents among their enemies.

Many of the more militant Islamic groups do have a track record of using weaponry irresponsibly or as terrorist tools to injure, maim, or kill as many civilians--men, women, and children--as possible because they consider nobody but themselves to be innocent. They have a track record of placing their weaponry among women and children to ensure maximum carnage of their own in event of retalitory strikes, just so they can accuse the other side of atrocities.

I honestly don't care what manner of weapon Israel owns because Israel has proved itself to be non aggressive and responsible. Ditto the USA.

There aren't many predominantly Islamic nations I can say that about.

 

[High_Gravity]

CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons

*Wednesday September 11, 2013 00:27*by SaA newly-discovered document of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency revealed Monday by Foreign Policy magazine shows that the U.S. agency had decisive evidence dating back to at least the 1980s that Israel had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons - International Middle East Media Center. What shall we do about this?

Israel and the US are self-immunized from international law.
Who has murdered more children with chemical weapons over the last seven decades, Syria or the US?

"While we cannot confirm whether the Israelis possess lethal chemical agents," the document adds, "several indicators lead us to believe that they have available to them at least persistent and nonpersistent nerve agents, a mustard agent, and several riot-control agents, marched with suitable delivery systems."

"Whether Israel still maintains this alleged stockpile is unknown. In 1992, the Israeli government signed but never ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention, which bans such arms. (The Israeli embassy in Washington did not respond to requests to comment on this article.)

"The CIA estimate, a copy of which was sent to the White House, also shows that the U.S. intelligence community had suspicions about this stockpile for decades, and that the U.S. government kept mum about Israel's suspected possession of chemical weapons just as long."

Exclusive: Does Israel Have Chemical Weapons Too? - By Matthew M. Aid | Foreign Policy

Thats an easy one, Syria. Next question.

 

[georgephillip]

CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons

*Wednesday September 11, 2013 00:27*by SaA newly-discovered document of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency revealed Monday by Foreign Policy magazine shows that the U.S. agency had decisive evidence dating back to at least the 1980s that Israel had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.CIA documents reveal Israeli stockpile of chemical weapons - International Middle East Media Center. What shall we do about this?

Israel and the US are self-immunized from international law.
Who has murdered more children with chemical weapons over the last seven decades, Syria or the US?

"While we cannot confirm whether the Israelis possess lethal chemical agents," the document adds, "several indicators lead us to believe that they have available to them at least persistent and nonpersistent nerve agents, a mustard agent, and several riot-control agents, marched with suitable delivery systems."

"Whether Israel still maintains this alleged stockpile is unknown. In 1992, the Israeli government signed but never ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention, which bans such arms. (The Israeli embassy in Washington did not respond to requests to comment on this article.)

"The CIA estimate, a copy of which was sent to the White House, also shows that the U.S. intelligence community had suspicions about this stockpile for decades, and that the U.S. government kept mum about Israel's suspected possession of chemical weapons just as long."

Exclusive: Does Israel Have Chemical Weapons Too? - By Matthew M. Aid | Foreign Policy

Thats an easy one, Syria. Next question.

"The war in Vietnam primarily—and most heavily— affected the Vietnamese people, north and south. The number of casualties—civilian and military—was enormous. According to conservative estimates, about 4 million Vietnamese on all sides were killed, wounded, or missing during the 1965-1975 period alone.

"The Pentagon’s final estimate of civilian casualties for the South, a nation of about 18 million in 1972, was as high as 1,225,000 for the period between 1965 and 1972.

"A U.S. Senate subcommittee report estimated 1,350,000 civilian casualties, including 415,000 killed, for the same period. 'Enemy soldiers' killed were at least 850,000, according to both estimates. A substantial number of these 'enemy soldiers,' however, were civilians whom the U.S. military defined as 'enemy' because they were within free-fire zones, areas controlled by the National Liberation Front (NLF).

"Estimates of casualties suffered by the Republic of Vietnam Armed Forces ran from 300,000 to 500,000. During the “post-war” of 1973-1975, another half a million Vietnamese were killed and wounded—340,000 of them were civilians—according to the U.S. and South Vietnamese estimates.”

"Vice President Nguyen Thi Binh of 2 million Agent Orange victims to whom the Vietnamese government pays compensation for combatants 1961-1975 and their children (March 2000). The figure today is greater than 3 million Agent Orange victims in Vietnam, including children of the second and third generations."

VAORRC ? Vietnam Agent Orange Relief & Responsibility Campaign

 

[Spoonman]

Several of the video-clips that I saw of supposed 'victims' looked about as real as a $3-Dollar Bill... with amateur actors playing their first role in makeup... surprisingly ambulatory and spry for folks just exposed to nerve-gas and the like.

Still, the UN Human Rights Council is oftentimes more farce and non sequitur soapbox than anything else, and their present membership...

Current Membership of the HRC

...contains some of the worst offenders of human rights (including indentured servitude and pseudo-slavery) on the face of the planet, which does nothing for its credibility.

If the UN-HRC says they're fake, then, I think I want a second opinion.

Me... I'm waiting for the Report of the UN Weapons Team which left Syria last week, as the most likely objective arbiter of whether or not the Assad Regime used such weapons.

Then again... regardless of WHO used them... IF, indeed, anyone at all... it's none of our friggin' business; the Euros and Arabs can handle this, while we sit this one out, for once.

Mebbe we can provide some logistics support and supply-line guardians, just to honor our alliances, but that should be it. We don't have to take-the-lead EVRY time, and we don't have to prop-up the Combat Arms part of the effort, ALL the time, do we?

really, i thought i was watching a bad night of the living dead remake

Clarification: UN Human Rights Council says photos and videos fake. The United States Human Rights Watch is not saying that, their opinion is Assad carried out the attack. But they accept the fake photos as genuine and generally rely on circumstantial evidence. And they are not carrying out a full investigation.

just like obama to want to bomb them over circumstantial evidence.

 

[Kondor3]

There is an enormous difference between suffering after-effects from a defoliant which is intended to kill plant-life, and using sarin-gas, which is intended to kill human life.

Did the United States know that Agent Orange (and Blue, and whatever) had a high toxicity rate and a high ultimate mortality rate, at the time of their use (1961-1971)?

Hell, we were using DDT here in the US for decades, until the government eventually discovered and confirmed its toxicity and long-term effects.

There is also an enormous difference in intent.

The US intended to kill-off jungle-growth and enemy crops.

The effects upon human beings took months or years to manifest in full.

The Syrians intended to kill-off their own rebellious people.

The effects upon human beings took mere seconds after contact.

That sort of faux analogy just won't cut it.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

There is an enormous difference between suffering after-effects from a defoliant which is intended to kill plant-life, and using sarin-gas, which is intended to kill human life.

Did the United States know that Agent Orange (and Blue, and whatever) had a high toxicity rate and a high ultimate mortality rate, at the time of their use (1961-1971)?

Hell, we were using DDT here in the US for decades, until the government eventually discovered and confirmed its toxicity and long-term effects.

There is also an enormous difference in intent.

The US intended to kill-off jungle-growth and enemy crops.

The effects upon human beings took months or years to manifest in full.

The Syrians intended to kill-off their own rebellious people.

The effects upon human beings took mere seconds after contact.

That sort of faux analogy just won't cut it.

The Chemical Weapons Treaty makes none of these distinctions, all it requires is using a chemical as a weapon against people. That is all it takes. And when people are hurt and killed in these substantial numbers we are addressing, they obviously have been targeted with chemical weapons .

 

[Kondor3]

"...The Chemical Weapons Treaty makes none of these distinctions, all it requires is using a chemical as a weapon against people. That is all it takes. And when people are hurt and killed in these substantial numbers we are addressing, they obviously have been targeted with chemical weapons."

Was Agent Orange classified as a Chemical Weapon, in violation of Treaty, at the time of its use (1961-1971)?

After all, it was developed in the 1940s, and there was a good 18-28 years between the time of its development and early (and publicly-known) domestic usages and its first use as a foliage and crop-destroying agent, so the International Community had plenty of time in which to classify it as a Chemical Weapon...

Is Agent Orange classified as a Chemical Weapon today, officially, in the context of the Treaty?

And, as to 'targeting people', you are incorrect...

It can be proven that the US utilized the agent to clear-away jungle canopies and undergrowth that had been providing cover for enemy troop movements...

It can be proven that the US utilized the agent to damage or destroy enemy crops, as a strategic initiative...

Given that a great many of our own military personnel (veterans) were afflicted by illness attributable to that agent, and that the government, after some initial resistance in the 1970s and 1980s, is providing for the care of such afflicted individuals, at great expense, in order to set things right...

Given that the Vietnamese had initially claimed highly unrealistic figures for the number of people who died or were made ill, and, given that once those numbers had been brought down out of the clouds and verification procedures put into place that satisfied both sides, and given that the US government has been generous in its compensation for such victims, in order to set things right...

Something tells me that the use of Agent Orange - a herbicide that had been in use on a smaller scale since the middle 1940s - was not intended as a Chemical Attack upon People, rather, it was simply a mistake to use so potent a herbicide, because it might end-up harming people, as well...

I wonder if the same thing can be said about the Assad Regime, and sarin gas, and their motives, or, for that matter, their intention to compensate their victims and to provide for their care?

Yer beatin' a dead horse with this one, Sherri...

Trying to draw substantive equivalencies between US utilization of Agent Orange and the Assad Regime's use of sarin gas?

And, if your perspective is so doggone operative in the Real World, why have we not been serious and substantive charges of Treaty Violations by the United States, in the UN, etc., in connection with Agent Orange usage?

I'll tell you why...

Because those banging the drum loudest against the US in this matter are Russians and European and American Leftists...

And because formal charges would never get past first base in either the UN or the Hague...

The US might be able to squash proceedings or get a verdict overturned...

But the US cannot stop such charges being filed and publicized...

And I haven't seen any of THAT, either, although I could certainly have missed something over the years.

Why have such charges not been filed at that level?

Because those charges (that the US intentionally used Chemical Weapons against people) in the Vietnam-Agent Orange context are patently false...

The same (unintentional, because they did not understand all its after-effects) cannot be said of the Assad Regime, in its barbaric use of sarin nerve-gas against its own people...

No sale...