War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[georgephillip]

I have to say I am completely happy to see overwhelming opposition to this war.

152 to 6 against war with Syria on this poll here.

I hope we'll see some national polls this week.

Disappointingly, it looks like Congress means to vote in favor of this war. I really can't understand this, given the apparent opposition of the voters on both sides.

Maybe it's because Obama is black. If they're black, you're supposed to give them whatever they ask for. Even if they want a big war.

I can't see it, myself.

I hope we all see the "R" or "D" behind virtually every congressional incumbent running for reelection next year. With all due respect, those members of congress who vote for more war will be acting on economic imperatives. Those of us whose ballots offer third party alternatives to the War Party umbrella of Republicans AND Democrats could take advantage of their ballots to FLUSH dozens or hundreds of incumbents from DC in a single news cycle.

This is an old idea of "throwing all the bums out" that has been waiting on the internet and those of us who use it daily to try and make sense of our world.

If millions of US voters cast a ballot AGAINST Republican AND Democrat incumbents who vote for more war in November 2014, the rich in this country will come face to face with a problem they haven't seen since Tom Paine died.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

It will stop Assad from using chemical weapons because of the use of chemical weapons means United States Air Strikes, he loses any advantage from using chemical weapons. Using chemical weapons for Assad will in fact become counter productive. Assad wants to win the civil war, not lose it!

You still haven't shown any proof of Assad's use of chemical weapons, as opposed to the fully documented war crime of the US dumping more than 12 million gallons of Agent Orange over 4.5 million acres of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia between 1966-1972, for example.

Yes, and Germany used mustard gas during WWI. But none of that is relevant to the fact that current events have taken place after certain international agreements were met, which, of course, Syria is not officially a party to; nonetheless, if that treaty is going to have any meaning, it certainly must apply to Syria's stockpile, seeing that it is one of the largest on the planet, certainly the largest in the ME. Otherwise what is the friggin point?

Our wars have nothing to do with Germany's wars, and you don't see the hypocrisy of the Agent Orange? How can modern-day massive chemical usage somehow become irrelevant all of a sudden?

 

[BDBoop]

I've had it up to here with war. Enough already. Bring everybody home, they can police our borders, work on infrastructure, etc.

 

[R.C. Christian]

When monkey man starts lobbing missiles at Assad, life as you know it will, most likely, change very dramatically. The potential for unintended consequences is extraordinary in this military misadventure.

 

[B. Kidd]

Russia plans on sending Russian lawmakers to address our Congress. In my 60 years, this is unprecedented in a U.S. lead-up to a military action. Maybe they're coming to remind our lawmakers that we are still in the crosshairs of Russian and Chinese subs.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Russia plans on sending Russian lawmakers to address our Congress. In my 60 years, this is unprecedented in a U.S. lead-up to a military action. Maybe they're coming to remind our lawmakers that we are still in the crosshairs of Russian and Chinese subs.

Remember the Strategic Defense Initiative that you of the left attacked Reagan over? Guess what? Clinton, Bush, AND Obama continued to fund it. It works, very well. Subs off shore don't mean a lot since they can't deliver a payload.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Russia plans on sending Russian lawmakers to address our Congress. In my 60 years, this is unprecedented in a U.S. lead-up to a military action. Maybe they're coming to remind our lawmakers that we are still in the crosshairs of Russian and Chinese subs.

Make it feel a bit more surreal and scary doesn't it?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

When monkey man starts lobbing missiles at Assad, life as you know it will, most likely, change very dramatically. The potential for unintended consequences is extraordinary in this military misadventure.

It's like obie is actively searching for his Gulf of Tonkin and can't wait to find it.

 

[TooTall]

"...Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United Arab Emerites have agreed to provide military forces for any US strike on Syria. The French are in as well..."

That's great. Let Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the UAE and France do it, then.



All true.

But the Administration knows that it is now on shaky ground and has deferred the matter to the Congress, which, as our duly-elected Representatives, will, hopefully, execute the Will of the People in this matter.

"...The United Kingdom unfortunately is a country in decline, socially, morally, religiously, economically and militarily! Technically, they won't really be missed."

I'll let the Brits speak for themselves on that one, but, at such a juncture, it is important to remember that the Brits were the first ones to get behind us in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and to jump-in with both feet, in a big way, and that they proved themselves to be worthy allies during the course of those conflicts.

They simply chose to sit this one out.

Like we seem likely to do, at this juncture.

Sorry, but the President will get his way. Republicans don't want to be seen supporting a dictator like Assad or standing passively by in the face of the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction or appear weak on a national security issue.

Democrats will support their President mostly. 50% of the house and the senate is an easy bar to pass.

Plus, even if the President doesn't get to 50% approval, he can still launch the missile strike.

George H.W. Bush was willing to launch the first Gulf War in 1991 even if he did not get a majority of the members of congress behind them.

The fact is, the only real power the congress has over the Presidency is its ability to cut funding. But in order to cut funding, congress needs a veto proof 2/3 majority. Congress does not have that right now in either the Senate or the House, so Obama can go ahead with the strike PERIOD!

If you consider Republicans that vote against an act of war against Syria support for Assad, do you consider the Democrats that opposed the war in Iraq supporters of Saddam Hussein?

Just asking.

 

[R.C. Christian]

When monkey man starts lobbing missiles at Assad, life as you know it will, most likely, change very dramatically. The potential for unintended consequences is extraordinary in this military misadventure.

It's like obie is actively searching for his Gulf of Tonkin and can't wait to find it.

He's had his Tonkin chance once before and it backfired but he's holding on tight to this one.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I do not only want there to be no WAR with Syria, I don't even want to lob in missiles or bombs. Those might be acts of war but would not constitute being AT war.

On the other hand, I also agree to a small extent with President Obama, the dumb-ass in chief. He happens to be correct up to a point. It is actually a bad thing to know that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people, as he clearly did, killing hundreds of innocents, including mere children, and yet not lift a finger to stop him from doing it some more.

This is a hard lesson. There are some problems in life for which no good, easy or even satisfactory solutions exist.

If we attack that piece of rat shit, Assad, then we are helping HIS enemies which includes our enemy, al qaeda.

If we elect not to bust any move against that piece of shit Assad, for fear of assisting al qaeda in any way, then Assad not only gets away with his slaughter of innocents, but is likely to be emboldened enough to do it some more, down the road.

Voting to authorize the President's threat to lob missiles at Assad-related-military-targets is a horrible idea.

Voting against the President's request for such authorization is a horrible idea.

 

[Avatar4321]

Voting to authorize the President's threat to lob missiles at Assad-related-military-targets is a horrible idea.

Voting against the President's request for such authorization is a horrible idea.

I seriously can't believe those are our only choices. Nor can i believe we need to settle for horrible ideas.

 

[B. Kidd]

When Iran and Iraq was involved in their war of attrition, Henry Kissinger was asked whom he wanted to win. His answer was that he hoped they both lost.
This should be our attitude towards the Syrian civil war.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I have to say I am completely happy to see overwhelming opposition to this war.

152 to 6 against war with Syria on this poll here.

I hope we'll see some national polls this week.

Disappointingly, it looks like Congress means to vote in favor of this war. I really can't understand this, given the apparent opposition of the voters on both sides.

Maybe it's because Obama is black. If they're black, you're supposed to give them whatever they ask for. Even if they want a big war.

I can't see it, myself.

It just shows us all there no longer a difference between a dictatorship and a democracy.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

When Iran and Iraq was involved in their war of attrition, Henry Kissinger was asked whom he wanted to win. His answer was that he hoped they both lost.
This should be our attitude towards the Syrian civil war.

If so, then mumbling some crap about the "red line" was a piss-poor stupid-ass thing for Obumbler to have intoned.

And when we wish a pox on both their houses, there are a lot of perfectly innocent victims who will get swept up in the ensuing bloodshed.

Even worse, sooner or later, one of the two pox ridden combatants will likely prevail. And then, more bad shit will flow.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Voting to authorize the President's threat to lob missiles at Assad-related-military-targets is a horrible idea.

Voting against the President's request for such authorization is a horrible idea.

I seriously can't believe those are our only choices. Nor can i believe we need to settle for horrible ideas.

Why is a vote against authorizing an attack a bad idea?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Voting to authorize the President's threat to lob missiles at Assad-related-military-targets is a horrible idea.

Voting against the President's request for such authorization is a horrible idea.

I seriously can't believe those are our only choices. Nor can i believe we need to settle for horrible ideas.

How about a stated hands-off foreign policy in the Middle East?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

When Iran and Iraq was involved in their war of attrition, Henry Kissinger was asked whom he wanted to win. His answer was that he hoped they both lost.
This should be our attitude towards the Syrian civil war.

Oh yea, most people thought that was a great thing for the U.S.

 

[Avatar4321]

Voting to authorize the President's threat to lob missiles at Assad-related-military-targets is a horrible idea.

Voting against the President's request for such authorization is a horrible idea.

I seriously can't believe those are our only choices. Nor can i believe we need to settle for horrible ideas.

How about a stated hands-off foreign policy in the Middle East?

sounds good to me.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I have to say I am completely happy to see overwhelming opposition to this war.

152 to 6 against war with Syria on this poll here.

I hope we'll see some national polls this week.

Disappointingly, it looks like Congress means to vote in favor of this war. I really can't understand this, given the apparent opposition of the voters on both sides.

Maybe it's because Obama is black. If they're black, you're supposed to give them whatever they ask for. Even if they want a big war.

I can't see it, myself.

The only explanation I can see is the Judgments of God are on us. When the Lord wants to destroy a people, he takes away their wisdom and their judgment as to what's in their best interests.

We can do some things, like let our Congressmen know we oppose this war. Beyond that, we simply respond to what happens. Ultimately, we will face much wrath from the rest of the world for all the havoc we have unleashed on others for so many years.