War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[Circe]

Now the protests have started -- first in Britain, stymieing Cameron's participation, at least for now.

If Obama wants his very own war as a presidential perk, he better move fast before he gets blocked: the poll numbers nationally and on this poll thread are wildly against getting into this. He could get bipartisan protests if he waits much time at all.

 

[Geaux4it]

Iran just came out and said they would attack Israel. Said it would be the US second Vietnam

-Geaux

 

[Kondor3]

Iran just came out and said they would attack Israel. Said it would be the US second Vietnam

-Geaux

Link?

 

[Freewill]

Whatever action the administration takes I can pretty well guarantee it will be symbolic, ineffective, and make the U.S. look like idiots and the laughingstock of the world.
It's what happens when you elect an inexperienced 3rd affirmative action candidate who surrounds himself with incompetents.

Remember when Chuck Hegel said he wouldnt be making any important decisions? He lied.

Don't be too sure. What I think could happen and I thought this all along. I think Obama may wish to flex his muscles. Prove he is a man by bombing the crap out of Syria. There is a chance he may go overboard and provoke another cold war or worse. Or should I say a colder war?

Absolutelu nothing in his history shows this is likely. He is a gutless coward unsure of himself and will do the minimum necessary so he can spin that he followed through on his word.

Actually I think his surge in Afghanistan and his multiplying the death rate over Bush's is proof enough for me. His use of the drone program is more proof, in my opinion. And terror bombing is exactly what Clinton did in Serbia.

 

[mudwhistle]

Sorry bout that,


1. So Obama the dumb-ass goes on PBS instead of to congress to explain his position.
2. What the fuck is fucking wrong with this fucking idiot???




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

He likes a captive audience.

 

[Mac1958]

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Hearing the same people who so proudly trumpeted invading Iraq with hundreds of thousands of young American soldiers suddenly worrying about the effects of firing some rockets into Syria and its possible Middle East ramifications rings a little hollow.

But I'll take it. Hopefully the polls showing Americans solidly against military action will keep Obama from (yet again) sticking our nose into Middle East affairs.

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[Circe]

Quote: Originally Posted by Geaux4it
Iran just came out and said they would attack Israel. Said it would be the US second Vietnam

-Geaux

Yeah, showed up just now on Reuters. There are a lot of pop-offs saying a lot of silly things in Iran now, however.

Iran commander: U.S. strike on Syria would bring Israel's destruction

DUBAI | Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:29am EDT

(Reuters) - Iran's Revolutionary Guards chief said a U.S. military attack on Syria would lead to the "imminent destruction" of Israel and would prove a "second Vietnam" for America, according to an Iranian news agency.

 

[Circe]

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... I'll take it. Hopefully the polls showing Americans solidly against military action will keep Obama from (yet again) sticking our nose into Middle East affairs.

I'm amazed: this is the most unified America has been in 10 years. And AGAINST war, unusually.

I wonder if Obama will let this "opportunity" slip away and not be able to proceed because of unified opposition from the people, Congress, and the UN. He would sure have his face covered with egg then, after all this hoop-la.

 

[deltex1]

Some shlub is on cnbc bemoaning the fact that if Obabble does not act it will undermine his credibility vis a vis Iran and its nuke program. What credibility is that?

 

[paulitician]

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... I'll take it. Hopefully the polls showing Americans solidly against military action will keep Obama from (yet again) sticking our nose into Middle East affairs.

I'm amazed: this is the most unified America has been in 10 years. And AGAINST war, unusually.

I wonder if Obama will let this "opportunity" slip away and not be able to proceed because of unified opposition from the people, Congress, and the UN. He would sure have his face covered with egg then, after all this hoop-la.

Yeah, it's great to see. The People don't want this War. That's pretty clear. Personally, i don't believe Assad used Chemical Weapons. I think it's another War Propaganda scam to get the People to support it. It's just way too convenient. It serves no logical purpose for Assad to use Chemical Weapons. He's no dummy. He's a very educated man. I think the People are seeing through this one. And i'm sure that's a big shock to our Government. They had this War planned for years. They just assumed the Sheep would all line up to dutifully support it. Oops, didn't happen. But it's not over yet. They still want this War. So stay tuned.

 

[deltex1]

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... I'll take it. Hopefully the polls showing Americans solidly against military action will keep Obama from (yet again) sticking our nose into Middle East affairs.

I'm amazed: this is the most unified America has been in 10 years. And AGAINST war, unusually.

I wonder if Obama will let this "opportunity" slip away and not be able to proceed because of unified opposition from the people, Congress, and the UN. He would sure have his face covered with egg then, after all this hoop-la.

Yeah, it's great to see. The People don't want this War. That's pretty clear. Personally, i don't believe Assad used Chemical Weapons. I think it's another War Propaganda scam to get the People to support it. It's just way too convenient. It serves no logical purpose for Assad to use Chemical Weapons. He's no dummy. He's a very educated man. I think the People are seeing through this one. And i'm sure that's a big shock to our Government. They had this War planned for years. They just assumed the Sheep would all line up to dutifully support it. Oops, didn't happen. But it's not over yet. They still want this War. So stay tuned.

I suppose you are another one who thinks everything is a lie...except the "truth" that there were no WMD in Saddams Iraq. LMBBFFAO!!!

 

[paulitician]

I'm amazed: this is the most unified America has been in 10 years. And AGAINST war, unusually.

I wonder if Obama will let this "opportunity" slip away and not be able to proceed because of unified opposition from the people, Congress, and the UN. He would sure have his face covered with egg then, after all this hoop-la.

Yeah, it's great to see. The People don't want this War. That's pretty clear. Personally, i don't believe Assad used Chemical Weapons. I think it's another War Propaganda scam to get the People to support it. It's just way too convenient. It serves no logical purpose for Assad to use Chemical Weapons. He's no dummy. He's a very educated man. I think the People are seeing through this one. And i'm sure that's a big shock to our Government. They had this War planned for years. They just assumed the Sheep would all line up to dutifully support it. Oops, didn't happen. But it's not over yet. They still want this War. So stay tuned.

I suppose you are another one who thinks everything is a lie...except the "truth" that there were no WMD in Saddams Iraq. LMBBFFAO!!!

Not everything. But i will admit i do believe most things coming from our Government are lies. This Chemical Attack is an awful charade. Why would Assad do it? There's just no logical strategic value in it. Therefore, i must call Bullshit.

 

[Kondor3]

I am proud of the folks on this Board -

- seeing such solidarity against Military Intervention in Syria, amongst such an otherwise politically diverse audience!

 

[deltex1]

I am proud of the folks on this Board - seeing such solidarity against Military Intervention in Syria, amongst such an otherwise politically diverse audience.

Me too...the DOW is up as attack fears recede...good revised GDP report....lots of peeps on the verge of a stock price rebound. Bury the dead...insufficient evidence...move on...party time!!

 

[Camp]

Yeah, it's great to see. The People don't want this War. That's pretty clear. Personally, i don't believe Assad used Chemical Weapons. I think it's another War Propaganda scam to get the People to support it. It's just way too convenient. It serves no logical purpose for Assad to use Chemical Weapons. He's no dummy. He's a very educated man. I think the People are seeing through this one. And i'm sure that's a big shock to our Government. They had this War planned for years. They just assumed the Sheep would all line up to dutifully support it. Oops, didn't happen. But it's not over yet. They still want this War. So stay tuned.

I suppose you are another one who thinks everything is a lie...except the "truth" that there were no WMD in Saddams Iraq. LMBBFFAO!!!

Not everything. But i will admit i do believe most things coming from our Government are lies. This Chemical Attack is an awful charade. Why would Assad do it? There's just no logical strategic value in it. Therefore, i must call Bullshit.

The propagand war on this issue has been stunning and awsome, by all sides. There has never been a proposal to invade Syria. No preperations for such an invasion have occured. It has been clear from the outset that what has been proposed and prepared for is an attack by air that would weaken and punish the Syrian regime in response to the use of chemical weapons. The extent of this attack is what is at issue with the leaders of the world community. The Syrian and Iranian response has been to imply this action would mean war. Another Vietnam. The USA dragged into an Iraq type war. They just don't want Syrian airbases, heavy weapons assets, air defense and communications destroyed by cruise missiles and air strikes that would make the battlefield with the rebels more level and balanced. No doubt they are glad to see their propaganda be spread here in the USA. That is the point we have come to in this country. American's spreading the enemy propaganda for them. Obsessive hate for a President supercedes patriotism and standing united when our military is being deployed and going into harms way to accomplish a mission.

 

[Kondor3]

Frankly, I doubt that few Thinking Americans believe that either Syria nor Iran are much of a threat, in the context of a conflict with Syria, nor do I believe that most Thinking Americans believe that either Russia nor the Chinese are going to do anything whatsoever beyond complaining, if a shooting war erupted with Syria.

No, I do not believe that Americans are spreading Enemy Propaganda as a brake on the Presidency; rather, I believe that Americans know Government Bullshit when they hear it (we've been down that road once before, with so-called Iraqi WMD) and that Americans are CALLING Bullshit this time, before we make another mistake in trying to play World Policeman; viewing this as the Wrong Fight at the Wrong Time.

That this SEEMS somewhat in alignment with the hopes of our Antagonist(s) in the region is pure coincidence, but that does not serve as a barrier to such points and such discussions still holding their validity amongst ourselves, for our OWN purposes.

Nobody is playing Fifth Columnist here... nobody is committing Treason...

Just Americans (and other friends, along with an antagonist or two, here-and-there) doing what Americans do best... discussing, arguing, and trying to find some measure of consensus on which to act (or not act)...

But it's basically a conversation undertaken BY Americans, FOR Americans, and with America's own best interests and safety and well-being in mind...

A conversation that is our Right...

Plenty of time to circle the wagons and back the President and to demonstrate solidarity later, if it comes to that...

But until that first shot is fired, the Conversation is wide-open...

None of that gives aid-and-comfort to the Enemy, because, until that first shot IS fired, there IS no Enemy...

 

[Bluedog]

I learned from Iraq. War is costly and financing the MIC on the nations credit card will do nothing but put us into a deeper financial hole than we are now. If thats humanly possible.

 

[Kondor3]

War is expensive alright, but it's even more costly in blood and human sufffering than it is in treasure...

 

[dilloduck]

I learned from Iraq. War is costly and financing the MIC on the nations credit card will do nothing but put us into a deeper financial hole than we are now. If thats humanly possible.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are financing a lot of this one. It's possible that they are even paying the US. Who knows? They want Assad gone badly.

 

[deltex1]

I suppose you are another one who thinks everything is a lie...except the "truth" that there were no WMD in Saddams Iraq. LMBBFFAO!!!

Not everything. But i will admit i do believe most things coming from our Government are lies. This Chemical Attack is an awful charade. Why would Assad do it? There's just no logical strategic value in it. Therefore, i must call Bullshit.

The propagand war on this issue has been stunning and awsome, by all sides. There has never been a proposal to invade Syria. No preperations for such an invasion have occured. It has been clear from the outset that what has been proposed and prepared for is an attack by air that would weaken and punish the Syrian regime in response to the use of chemical weapons. The extent of this attack is what is at issue with the leaders of the world community. The Syrian and Iranian response has been to imply this action would mean war. Another Vietnam. The USA dragged into an Iraq type war. They just don't want Syrian airbases, heavy weapons assets, air defense and communications destroyed by cruise missiles and air strikes that would make the battlefield with the rebels more level and balanced. No doubt they are glad to see their propaganda be spread here in the USA. That is the point we have come to in this country. American's spreading the enemy propaganda for them. Obsessive hate for a President supercedes patriotism and standing united when our military is being deployed and going into harms way to accomplish a mission.

That's what happens when we have no leader/no plan...only dithering, unplanned remarks and bumps in the road. The situation is pathetic...good post