War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[Billo_Really]

It was a fair fight in Nam' but our fighter pilots and planes are way better then the Russians they wouldnt stand a chance and they know it

Oh shut-up!

Why is it every big-mouth asshole always gets their ass whupped in the end?

 

[Two Thumbs]

It's a shame. We more than likely are going into another war.

Ironically, obama will hold the record for number of countries we've been/gone to war with, if he already doesn't have it. And he won the peace prize.

and when we do go, we will kill a bunch of people that want to live the way they want to live and we won't go near Assad.

Kill him, his wife (bitch is evil), the political and military leaders and it's over. let the place rot or prepare for another afghanistan

 

[KevinWestern]

I've already posted links to the petrodollar situation, and the fact the Iran threatens it and it just makes military sense to take out Syria (Iran's weaker ally) before moving on to Iran...
Iran---nukes--Hezbollah----none of them are Israel's buddy's. I mean Israel is already Attacking Syria. Are we supposed to pretend it's not happening?

uhm I said that weeks ago, and have restated it..( see the bold).....why is this a surprise and why is it 'evil'....?

the petro- $$ thing? I wasn't aware you were into conspiracy theories dillo, please.....thats just malarkey ...

I know you said it weeks ago and it's still true. The hysterical frenzy over poison gas is an insult to an intelligent American citizen. America et al want Assad gone so they can continue on to Iran without have to worry about what kind of trouble Syria might stir up. Onwards to kill the nukes and save the American petrodollar.

Assad was winning the war, too. No reason to use chemical weapons at this time because it would do nothing but prevent him from achieving his goals.

I highly doubt the Syrian Regime was behind the attack.

Wouldn't it make more sense for the Rebels to conduct that attack and blame it on Assad to further their cause? These are the SAME rebels that were photographed EATING a human heart (just two months after meeting with John McCain).

 

[The T]

It's a shame. We more than likely are going into another war.

Ironically, obama will hold the record for number of countries we've been/gone to war with, if he already doesn't have it. And he won the peace prize.

and when we do go, we will kill a bunch of people that want to live the way they want to live and we won't go near Assad.

Kill him, his wife (bitch is evil), the political and military leaders and it's over. let the place rot or prepare for another afghanistan

The PEACE PRIZE bit irritates the heck out of me...He got it for just merely being elected or so it seems. Can the Nobel committee rescind it?

It appears Obama never earned it, and laughs about it thinking HE got one over on the whole world as he lights the world on fire, especially the M.E.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Russia and Iran wont do shit..."

Agreed.

Russia cannot project that kind of Conventional Military Muscle very far beyond their borders any longer. They're trying to fix that but it's going to take another 10-20 years or more, I expect.

"...and China never attacks anyone unless in their backyard..."

True.

The Chinese are even worse-prepared to project Conventional Military Muscle into the Med and Middle East than are the Russians.

Plus, the Chinese economy and our own are far too tightly intertwoven for the Chinese to do something crazy like that, except in the more dire and mortal of circumstances, and this little circus-flea of an intervention ain't it.

"...and If Russia or Iran do they will get smoked by the U.S. Airforce and Navy..."

Insofar as the Iranians are concerned, all we need to do is to turn the Israelis loose on 'em, to make 'em pee their pants and keep 'em off our backs. If it gets this far, Muslim world opinion will be soooo badly skewed against us that getting the Israelis involved would no longer be much of a political concern, and, if not, we shift a few of our own assets to cover the approaches from Iran, and shoot 'em up ourselves, as they cross the border.

As far as either the Russian Air Force or the Russian Navy is concerned, they know better than to mess with us - and NATO in general - in the Med... which is, basically, a NATO lake... or in any of the states surrounding the Med.

They don't have that kind of muscle and they'd be too far from their bases. And, you're right - we're better than they are, in the Air, and on the Water; better or comparable gear, better training, better motivation, better-supplied, better paid, better (and more) experience.

None of that is a rock-solid guarantee that we'd kick their ass, but it's an overwhelming set of factors that would cause Smart Vegas Money to back the US and The West in any such brawl.

And the Russians are smart enough and pragmatic enough to know that, and to take such limitations into account in their own political calculations, despite the bluster.

"...It will never be a ground war against Russia or Iran."

Agreed.

The Russians won't punch through Turkey, and neither the Russians nor the Iranians can send large-scale ground-forces convoys through Iraq without a repeat of the Highway of Death scenario, this time, featuring Russian or Iranian convoy gear and bodies.

And, lacking control of the Air, neither Russia nor Iran would be able to airlift enough ground troops and gear into position in order to be decisive, before we and NATO started shooting them out of the air the minute they crossed beyond their own airspace.

The Russians won't go nuclear over this pissant sideshow.

Consequently, it's a good bet that we don't have to worry overly much about a military response from Russia, China or Iran.

IMHO.

 

[Geaux4it]

Wow, wonder if Adolf Obama would use his famous, 'and most Americans would agree' after looking at this poll?

-Geaux

 

[Rambunctious]

Hell no! It's time this Nation stops digging it's own grave...I can't figure out if Obama is ignorant or sinister or both but another war is absurd. And McCain you can just shut the fuck up.

 

[Trajan]

I've already posted links to the petrodollar situation, and the fact the Iran threatens it and it just makes military sense to take out Syria (Iran's weaker ally) before moving on to Iran...
Iran---nukes--Hezbollah----none of them are Israel's buddy's. I mean Israel is already Attacking Syria. Are we supposed to pretend it's not happening?

uhm I said that weeks ago, and have restated it..( see the bold).....why is this a surprise and why is it 'evil'....?

the petro- $$ thing? I wasn't aware you were into conspiracy theories dillo, please.....thats just malarkey ...

I know you said it weeks ago and it's still true. The hysterical frenzy over poison gas is an insult to an intelligent American citizen. America et al want Assad gone so they can continue on to Iran without have to worry about what kind of trouble Syria might stir up. Onwards to kill the nukes and save the American petrodollar.

saves the whales dude, hows that?

 

[RandallFlagg]

He looked shocked when I informed him that the rebels were Al queda, but tried to blow it off.

Because the Media won't tell the entire tale. PAR for their course.

It's fucking disgusting how so many people think they are informed but don't have a fucking clue.

OH he did ask me where do I get my new sources, right wing media? I told him I get it from a variety of news outlets mostly from other countries.

I can guarantee you that, from a former life, I can attest to the fact that there are about 20 people right now that "know what's going on" and about 150 logistics personnel that have direct access to "parts" of what is going on - and I ain't one of them.

That's pretty much it.

Whatever is going to happen, until the decision is made to begin leaking bits and pieces (to gauge support) to the Press - not a soul outside of the TOC and the Naval Command structure know what the heck is going on, and most of them are on "mission standby" right now.

Until then, it is all saber rattling.

 

[Robodoon]

No war!

 

[Geaux4it]

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[dilloduck]

I know the response to that one "but this is DIFFERENT".

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. So Obama the dumb-ass goes on PBS instead of to congress to explain his position.
2. What the fuck is fucking wrong with this fucking idiot???




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Geaux4it]

The initial international support that is caving is telling

In all seriousness, Obama needs to pull back here.

-Geaux

 

[Circe]

Are you talking about the neutered Russia that has at least three new Borei class nuclear submarines operational; possessing a next-gen nuclear reactor that is almost noiseless, can navigate autonomously for three months, carries up to 20 solid fuel ICBMs' able to overcome any prospective missle defense system?

No, I'm talking about the Russia that has vacated the naval resupply base they have in Syria and sent all its ships out in the Mediterranean for safety. And the Russia that this afternoon has evacuated all Russian citizens from Syria.

We've got troubles enough; you don't have to worry about Russia.

Except for their delaying tactics in the UN, which may have more effect than the administration hoped.

 

[Circe]

meh.... i have no problem with them killing each other off. Less of them to hate us.

Didn't put much thought into this, huh?

Or, alternatively, "Less is More"...

Sometimes, there is a certain eloquence in simplicity...

This may very well prove to be one of those times...

Agreed. Most of the nation wishes the disgusting Arabs would all kill each other! And not bother us with poison gas and nukes and what not while they do it. Just get it done, enjoy. Look how noone ever cares or remarks on the daily bombings that go on in Iraq. Why should we care? They are our enemies. If they are killing each other, that just saves us the effort.

 

[flacaltenn]

Seriously man.. We need an adult to take away the keys to the armory for a couple years.
We don't deserve to have a war capability like we do. Not when we bomb 5 countries a year and jump into fights with the goal to just pummel the current guy on top.

ESPECIALLY when the guy on the bottom is named Al Queda and is a sworn enemy...

I'm almost to the point of cheering on Putin and Chinese to stand up to this nonsense.

Not only antagonizing China and RUssia -- but putting Israel into the crosshairs ??? For WHAT END??
This Admin is deluded and dangerous..

 

[RandallFlagg]

Are you talking about the neutered Russia that has at least three new Borei class nuclear submarines operational; possessing a next-gen nuclear reactor that is almost noiseless, can navigate autonomously for three months, carries up to 20 solid fuel ICBMs' able to overcome any prospective missle defense system?

No, I'm talking about the Russia that has vacated the naval resupply base they have in Syria and sent all its ships out in the Mediterranean for safety. And the Russia that this afternoon has evacuated all Russian citizens from Syria.

We've got troubles enough; you don't have to worry about Russia.

Except for their delaying tactics in the UN, which may have more effect than the administration hoped.

And why wouldn't they? We'd do the exact same thing. The safest place for ships is at sea. Personnel are vacating the area for their safety. No news there. I will promise you that there is more than enough of a contingency there to defend the base from ground attack.

Russia does not normally "walk away" from what's viewed as "theirs", any more than we do.

 

[toshiro]

I'm all for reminding Middle Easterners how crazy and dangerous Americans are. And it'll stimulate the economy. But really, there's no reason for us to get in on that.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'm all for reminding Middle Easterners how crazy and dangerous Americans are. And it'll stimulate the economy. But really, there's no reason for us to get in on that.

Something tells me that you might believe that "crazy and dangerous" folks shouldn't be able to own nuclear weapons ---- or a gun...