Want ONE simple law to help curb mass-shootings?

[blackhawk]

There is only one way to end or greatly reduce mass shootings you would have to pass a law banning the sale of any type of gun to private citizens then confiscate all privately owned guns good luck with this. Lets say just for the fun of it you could pull the above off remember prohibition? You would get the exact same type of deal with guns that you got with alcohol during the prohibition era.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And if you sell your car to some clown who later drives drunk and kills someone, the victim's family should be able to sue YOU for millions in damages, right???

Except cars are for driving and guns are for killing.

Which means it makes even less sense to sue a gun manufacturer for designing a product that does what it was intended to do.

Try that circular logic shit on someone else. That shit wont fly here.

Nothing circular about it. Manufacturers are liable when their products dont work the way they are supposed to while using them correctly. Like if you are driving a car and it randomly explodes or it doesn't brake because of a design flaw, the manufacturers are liable.

When a product works as it's designed to do and people, through their intentional or negligent acts use the products to cause harm a manufacturer cannot be held liable because the products are working as designed.

Guns that shoot are doing what they were designed to do. They are a tool for self defense and hunting. If someone kills another person using a tool that works correctly they aren't liable. If someone runs another over with a car, it's not the cars design that is the problem, it's the killers negligent/intentional behavior.

Likewise with firearms if the gun shoots properly they are not liable. The killer is.if the gun is designed badly and it explodes or something instead of shooting bullets then yeah there is a design flaw. But you can't sue a manufacturer for product that works as it is intended

And thats why comparing cars killing to guns killing is stupid, thanks

Because you don't like the fact that it shoots your desires in the ass (pardon the pun)?

 

[2aguy]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

We also can't go with the liberal plan of "Do anything to feel powerful, never mind if it helps".

Cecilie...this is in response to Nate in the qoute leading to your post...I didn't want to go and find his original post......this is for Nat...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And if you sell your car to some clown who later drives drunk and kills someone, the victim's family should be able to sue YOU for millions in damages, right???

Pretty dumb response (as always)......Name another manufacturer...beside gun ones......who CANNOT be sued by consumers?

Name the manufacturer who can be sued, not for products that are defective, but for products that are subsequently used by people to break laws. We'll wait.

You will wait for a long time; that was more or less my first post on this thread and I have yet to receive a response.

 

[2aguy]

There is only one way to end or greatly reduce mass shootings you would have to pass a law banning the sale of any type of gun to private citizens then confiscate all privately owned guns good luck with this. Lets say just for the fun of it you could pull the above off remember prohibition? You would get the exact same type of deal with guns that you got with alcohol during the prohibition era.

it isn't working in Australia, Canada or Europe......why would it work here....

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well, when you get done with the first draft of your Constitutional Amendment to repeal the Second Amendment, do post it for us to peruse.

The above was written by a militia member???....and exactly where in the Constitution is it written that you could own an assault weapon that ripped apart some of those babies at Sandy Hook into FOURTEEN separate parts?

America has soundly rejected your flawed, illiterate interpretation of the Second Amendment for as long as it's been in existence, so do NOT think you are going to drag it in here and impose its acceptance as a debate parameter.

Furthermore, I will not be addressing "points" that are nothing more than "Dead babies! Waahhh! Feel bad!! Be stampeded into agreement!" Make a sensible, adult point, or be very frustrated by having your words discounted without notice.

 

[nat4900]

Name the manufacturer who can be sued, not for products that are defective, but for products that are subsequently used by people to break laws. We'll wait.

Your premise is as dumb as you surely must be.......Gun manufacturers are simply putting together for sale items that are used to KILL others....period.

 

[2aguy]

Well, when you get done with the first draft of your Constitutional Amendment to repeal the Second Amendment, do post it for us to peruse.

The above was written by a militia member???....and exactly where in the Constitution is it written that you could own an assault weapon that ripped apart some of those babies at Sandy Hook into FOURTEEN separate parts?

Well, as to the first....the Constitution and the Bill of Rights....

The second...you guys made that possible when you created gun free zones where killers could bring guns and the good guys couldn't bring guns to stop them....that is on you moron.

 

[Rustic]

Well, when you get done with the first draft of your Constitutional Amendment to repeal the Second Amendment, do post it for us to peruse.

The above was written by a militia member???....and exactly where in the Constitution is it written that you could own an assault weapon that ripped apart some of those babies at Sandy Hook into FOURTEEN separate parts?

Ok, buddy explain in detail what an so called "assault weapon" is??
Don't deflect like the bleeding heart media, and repeat their ignorance.
Use facts.

 

[2aguy]

Name the manufacturer who can be sued, not for products that are defective, but for products that are subsequently used by people to break laws. We'll wait.

Your premise is as dumb as you surely must be.......Gun manufacturers are simply putting together for sale items that are used to KILL others....period.

Guns are made to save the life of the user.....or those he protects.....that criminals use them in gun free zones you made, that is on you.....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, when you get done with the first draft of your Constitutional Amendment to repeal the Second Amendment, do post it for us to peruse.

The above was written by a militia member???....and exactly where in the Constitution is it written that you could own an assault weapon that ripped apart some of those babies at Sandy Hook into FOURTEEN separate parts?

Oh look... another anti-gun loon, forced to argue from emotion.

There's no sound reason to ban 'assault weapons'.
Disagree? You'll then certainly want to say why.
Here you go:
For those who want to reisntate the 1994 'assault weapon' ban....? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Rustic]

There is only one way to end or greatly reduce mass shootings you would have to pass a law banning the sale of any type of gun to private citizens then confiscate all privately owned guns good luck with this. Lets say just for the fun of it you could pull the above off remember prohibition? You would get the exact same type of deal with guns that you got with alcohol during the prohibition era.

Millions would die if the federal government tried gun confiscation...

 

[jasonnfree]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

We also can't go with the liberal plan of "Do anything to feel powerful, never mind if it helps".

Cecilie...this is in response to Nate in the qoute leading to your post...I didn't want to go and find his original post......this is for Nat...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

These statistics show that there's a pretty good reason for abolishing both alcohol and gravity. I'm not real nutty for more gun bans, considering that many of the deaths are criminals shooting other criminals... I think it should be up to the local governments whether or not to ban guns.
Still waiting for the clintons to demand unarmed secret service protection.

 

[Obiwan]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

We also can't go with the liberal plan of "Do anything to feel powerful, never mind if it helps".

Cecilie...this is in response to Nate in the qoute leading to your post...I didn't want to go and find his original post......this is for Nat...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

These statistics show that there's a pretty good reason for abolishing both alcohol and gravity.

 

[nat4900]

Nope. We want them not to be funded by tax dollars

Moron, look up the Hyyde Amendmend

You mean to tell me that you pranced in here, set up this whole thread bragging about your plan, and in all these pages, you STILL haven't told us HOW it will effect positive change

have someone with more brain cells explain to you what the word "CURB" that I used in my title means.

 

[Rustic]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

We also can't go with the liberal plan of "Do anything to feel powerful, never mind if it helps".

Cecilie...this is in response to Nate in the qoute leading to your post...I didn't want to go and find his original post......this is for Nat...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

These statistics show that there's a pretty good reason for abolishing both alcohol and gravity.

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Her child molesting husband drove her to a drinking...

 

[blackhawk]

There is only one way to end or greatly reduce mass shootings you would have to pass a law banning the sale of any type of gun to private citizens then confiscate all privately owned guns good luck with this. Lets say just for the fun of it you could pull the above off remember prohibition? You would get the exact same type of deal with guns that you got with alcohol during the prohibition era.

Millions would die if the federal government tried gun confiscation...

Yep but if you realistically wanted to stop mass shootings that would be the only way but it would never happen for the reason you pointed out.

 

[blackhawk]

There is only one way to end or greatly reduce mass shootings you would have to pass a law banning the sale of any type of gun to private citizens then confiscate all privately owned guns good luck with this. Lets say just for the fun of it you could pull the above off remember prohibition? You would get the exact same type of deal with guns that you got with alcohol during the prohibition era.

it isn't working in Australia, Canada or Europe......why would it work here....

It likely wouldn't I'm just saying it would be the closeist way to doing it if you tried though the end result would do more harm than good just like prohibition.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Booze manufacturers for providing alcohol to drunk drivers.

Under “dram shop” laws, a bar, restaurant, liquor store, or other licensed vendor of alcohol may find itself facing a civil lawsuit for damages if they sell alcohol to someone who goes on to injure a third party in an alcohol-related accident.

IF that person was impaired and served anyway. Simply selling a sober person a beer and then having them get into a wreck because they were texting or switching the radio or just a shitty driver isn't enough.

Actually, as long as the buyer was not drunk when he bought the booze, the seller is not liable even if the buyer gets loaded and kills someone.

 

[Jarlaxle]

And if you sell your car to some clown who later drives drunk and kills someone, the victim's family should be able to sue YOU for millions in damages, right???

Pretty dumb response (as always)......Name another manufacturer...beside gun ones......who CANNOT be sued by consumers?

"No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings."

I recall that was passed because the alternative was NO vaccines being available...companies simply would not produce them for liability reasons.

And what do we suppose Nat's ultimate plan is here? Hmmmm.

Smoking a bowl this weekend?