Wait....when it is too hot, solar panels do not work efficiently? But...isn't being in the sun their selling point? The left..get it wrong again....

[elektra]

Neither synthetic oil nor petroleum-based lubricants are fossil FUELS, whizzo. Lubricants are a tiny proportion of petroleum consumed and do not produce greenhouse gases.

Natural gas is a fossil fuel, synthetic oil is produced from natural gas. That is what I stated, that is what you disputed.

The production of any kind of lubricant does produce CO2. They are products refined from natural gas. Refining oil creates many different gases. All fact. Do you want links!

 

[elektra]

And do not attempt to deny that the central point of your claim is and has been that enormous amounts of fossil fuels are consumed by the production of wind turbines, which, of course, is claptrap.

Well mr brain, the only way you can know the amount of fossil fuels used to create the billions of solar panels and wind turbines is if you have researched the subject. Tell us, how much fossil fuels per ton of solar grade polysilicon, per ton of copper, per ton of steel, per ton of fiberglass, per ton of concrete. Tell us, exactly. Types of fossil fuels, which production process, of which material.

Watch everybody, we will hear crickets

 

[elektra]

And you ignore the fact that neither scientist was working for the government when they made their discoveries, which was the point I was addressing in response to your claim that the demand for lithium had been artificially created by the government to make the "elites" rich.

Crick, who invented something has nothing to do with the demand for said product in the future.

Crick's logic is irrational

 

[Crick]

Crick, who invented something has nothing to do with the demand for said product in the future.

Crick's logic is irrational

It has to do with your repeated claim that the demand for lithium was artificially created by the government.

 

[leftwinger]

A Silicon diode Voltage reduces at higher temperatures. Therefore a panel (typically 72 diodes) will put out less Voltage. Volts x Current = Power. Power would drop if the rise in current is small at higher temps. Also, Wire resistivity will increase dropping more voltage across the connecting wires.


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Why does the power output of a solar panel decrease with temperature?

• Only the module’s output current gains a little bit of increase but it is still considered negligible. This is why the power output of a solar panel decreases along with the rise of cell temperature. Additionally, the voltage drop on the PV cables increase as the temperatures go higher.

 

[elektra]

It has to do with your repeated claim that the demand for lithium was artificially created by the government.

who invented lithium has nothing to do with the demand

I have never used the word, artificial or artificially

The government giving away trillions of dollars, has increased demand for lithium, the government mandating electric cars, is increasing demand for lithium

Right now, though, it is the trillions of dollars being given to corporations that build the "sustainable" economy, that is driving the price of lithium through the roof.

Who invented what? Has what to do with government spending and the greed for that money?

 

[Dadoalex]

Where do you think the ingredients for synthetic come from?

Using carbon sources is not the same as USING carbon sources.

"Power plants that burn natural gas are responsible for 437 to 758 grams of CO2-equivalent per kilowatt-hour — far more than even the most carbon-intensive wind turbine listed above. Coal-fired power plants fare even more poorly in comparison to wind, with estimates ranging from 675 to 1,689 grams of CO2 per kilowatt-hour, depending on the exact technology in question."

"Coal-fired power plants fare even more poorly in comparison to wind, with estimates ranging from 675 to 1,689 grams of CO2 per kilowatt-hour"

Even those HORRIBLE CCP farms are at least 15 times LESS polluting than the most efficient fossil fuel sources.

What's the carbon footprint of a wind turbine? » Yale Climate Connections

Wind energy is remarkably climate-friendly.

yaleclimateconnections.org

 

[Dadoalex]

yes, synthetic oil is made with oil.

A hydrocarbon derived from ethylene, ethylene comes from crude oil or natural gas

alpha olefin, or normal alpha olefin, NAO

synthetic oil does not mean it is not oil, hence the name oil is in it's name.

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A few gallons every 7 years?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What's the carbon footprint of a wind turbine? » Yale Climate Connections

Wind energy is remarkably climate-friendly.

yaleclimateconnections.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Using carbon sources is not the same as USING carbon sources.


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"Power plants that burn natural gas are responsible for 437 to 758 grams of CO2-equivalent per kilowatt-hour — far more than even the most carbon-intensive wind turbine listed above. Coal-fired power plants fare even more poorly in comparison to wind, with estimates ranging from 675 to 1,689 grams of CO2 per kilowatt-hour, depending on the exact technology in question."

"Coal-fired power plants fare even more poorly in comparison to wind, with estimates ranging from 675 to 1,689 grams of CO2 per kilowatt-hour"

Even those HORRIBLE CCP farms are at least 15 times LESS polluting than the most efficient fossil fuel sources.

What's the carbon footprint of a wind turbine? » Yale Climate Connections

Wind energy is remarkably climate-friendly.

yaleclimateconnections.org

"Power plants that burn natural gas are responsible for 437 to 758 grams of CO2-equivalent per kilowatt-hour —

Reliable natural gas plants are awesome!!!
We'll need even more as back up for the green idiocy of wind and solar.

 

[elektra]

A few gallons every 7 years?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What's the carbon footprint of a wind turbine? » Yale Climate Connections

Wind energy is remarkably climate-friendly.

yaleclimateconnections.org

post a study, not an article

Your google search of your opinion shows you have no idea the amount of pollution the sustainable/renewable heavy industry produces

 

[Dadoalex]

"Power plants that burn natural gas are responsible for 437 to 758 grams of CO2-equivalent per kilowatt-hour —

Reliable natural gas plants are awesome!!!
We'll need even more as back up for the green idiocy of wind and solar.

Vs avg of 8 gm /kwh.

 

[elektra]

Vs avg of 8 gm /kwh.

post the study, without the study all you are posting is disinformation. But either way, carbon does not hurt the environment, so it is a moot point.

What does hurt the environment is wasteful, inefficient, sources of electricity which is solar panels.

grams of carbon per kilowatt? Not CO2?

 

[Dadoalex]

post a study, not an article

Your google search of your opinion shows you have no idea the amount of pollution the sustainable/renewable heavy industry produces

YALE little one.
The sources are in the article.

 

[elektra]

YALE little one.
The sources are in the article.

prove it and link to the study, at the same time why not tell us how many tons of coal it takes to make on solar panel. Or, tell us how many total tons of fossil fuels it takes to make one ton of solar panel.

 

[Dadoalex]

prove it and link to the study, at the same time why not tell us how many tons of coal it takes to make on solar panel. Or, tell us how many total tons of fossil fuels it takes to make one ton of solar panel.

Life Cycle Assessment Harmonization

www.nrel.gov

Maybe actually reading the material would help.

 

[elektra]

Life Cycle Assessment Harmonization

www.nrel.gov

Maybe actually reading the material would help.

I did read what you linked to which is pure propaganda. It is not a study.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Vs avg of 8 gm /kwh.

Reliable gas versus unreliable wind and solar.

 

[Dadoalex]

I did read what you linked to which is pure propaganda. It is not a study.

Then you understand that over its productive life the manufacture, maintenance, and operation of wind and solar sources produces less than 1/10 of the pollution per KWH than Gas, oil, or coal.

Speaking of studies...where's yours?

 

[Dadoalex]

Reliable gas versus unreliable wind and solar.

The sun shines and the wind blows 24x7 that's why we create a "grid" instead of a Texas black hole.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The sun shines and the wind blows 24x7 that's why we create a "grid" instead of a Texas black hole.

The sun shines and the wind blows 24x7

You're lying.

that's why we create a "grid"

What does a "grid" do when the wind slows 30% or the sun sets?