Voting by Mail is secure

[AzogtheDefiler]

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

What do you mean specifically? I don't want to make assumptions.

How do you police that someone who gets their ballot actually walks to the designated location and drops it in vs. leaving it for a mailman.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

I think all mail in ballots are compared to a signature from the registration aren't they?

IDK....you tell me. And if you increase that # 100x then how do you have enough people to count?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

I can think of like.....uh....one case like that.

Voting by mail is not new...some states have had no-excuse vote by mail for ages. Other's may or may not offer it, really, they need to make the choice that considers: electoral integrity, public health, accessibility.

Covid restrictions in densely populated areas would likely mean people in long lines (if they are even willing) waiting to vote and/or polls closing before everyone can vote. There are already issues with reduced polling places in some areas that have caused problems, with reduction in early voting. Voting is too important to disenfranchise anyone.

So...let's say you open more polling places? Who's going to staff them? Who's going to staff existing ones? In my area at least, it's all little old civic minded ladies. And they will be the most vulnerable to covid.

If we are so worried about mail in voting...why not look at the places that have had it for years...how has that gone? Do what they do...or...if there were problems, fix them. But people need to be able to vote and feel safe doing so. Disease is no different than vandals hovering around the polls.

Five states do purely vote by mail I am OK with it in other states if the voters request the ballots and verify their data. Not sure why that triggers people.

West Virginia mail carrier charged with attempted absentee ballot application fraud

Days after West Virginia's secretary of state announced that his office was investigating an absentee ballot fraud scheme connected to the state's mass effort to send absentee ballot applications to all registered voters, a Pendleton County mail carrier is charged with attempted election fraud.

www.whsv.com

Postal worker pleads guilty to election fraud after changing voters’ party affiliations

A West Virginia postal worker is facing time behind bars after pleading guilty to attempted election fraud Thursday.

thehill.com

City Calls for USPS Investigation Into Missing Ballots

Tubs of ballots are showing up across Wisconsin that didn't get mailed to voters.

urbanmilwaukee.com

Hundreds of Mail-In Votes Already Set Aside Due to Voter Fraud Claims in Paterson

More than 800 mail-in votes in one of New Jersey’s largest cities have already been set aside as an election is marred by allegations of voter fraud

www.nbcnewyork.com

Postal Worker Caught Destroying Absentee Trump Ballots in Major Swing State

A Twitter user claimed to be a postal worker who regularly destroys mailed-in Trump votes in Ohio, but the issue appeared to be a joke taken taken too seriously.

www.snopes.com

Kinda confused by your examples - one was a false claimed, said to be a joke. , two are actually the same incident (WV), the others occurred in primaries and perhaps something can be learned from that to improve the general election in those areas that are offering it. Ideally - offering both mail in (if they choose) or going to polls (if they choose) would be best.

Why not just allow in person with ID and if you don't feel safe or are out of the area you request one? Why is that do difficult?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

I can think of like.....uh....one case like that.

Voting by mail is not new...some states have had no-excuse vote by mail for ages. Other's may or may not offer it, really, they need to make the choice that considers: electoral integrity, public health, accessibility.

Covid restrictions in densely populated areas would likely mean people in long lines (if they are even willing) waiting to vote and/or polls closing before everyone can vote. There are already issues with reduced polling places in some areas that have caused problems, with reduction in early voting. Voting is too important to disenfranchise anyone.

So...let's say you open more polling places? Who's going to staff them? Who's going to staff existing ones? In my area at least, it's all little old civic minded ladies. And they will be the most vulnerable to covid.

If we are so worried about mail in voting...why not look at the places that have had it for years...how has that gone? Do what they do...or...if there were problems, fix them. But people need to be able to vote and feel safe doing so. Disease is no different than vandals hovering around the polls.

Five states do purely vote by mail I am OK with it in other states if the voters request the ballots and verify their data. Not sure why that triggers people.

West Virginia mail carrier charged with attempted absentee ballot application fraud

Days after West Virginia's secretary of state announced that his office was investigating an absentee ballot fraud scheme connected to the state's mass effort to send absentee ballot applications to all registered voters, a Pendleton County mail carrier is charged with attempted election fraud.

www.whsv.com

Postal worker pleads guilty to election fraud after changing voters’ party affiliations

A West Virginia postal worker is facing time behind bars after pleading guilty to attempted election fraud Thursday.

thehill.com

City Calls for USPS Investigation Into Missing Ballots

Tubs of ballots are showing up across Wisconsin that didn't get mailed to voters.

urbanmilwaukee.com

Hundreds of Mail-In Votes Already Set Aside Due to Voter Fraud Claims in Paterson

More than 800 mail-in votes in one of New Jersey’s largest cities have already been set aside as an election is marred by allegations of voter fraud

www.nbcnewyork.com

Postal Worker Caught Destroying Absentee Trump Ballots in Major Swing State

A Twitter user claimed to be a postal worker who regularly destroys mailed-in Trump votes in Ohio, but the issue appeared to be a joke taken taken too seriously.

www.snopes.com

Kinda confused by your examples - one was a false claimed, said to be a joke. , two are actually the same incident (WV), the others occurred in primaries and perhaps something can be learned from that to improve the general election in those areas that are offering it. Ideally - offering both mail in (if they choose) or going to polls (if they choose) would be best.

and the first one was a rural carrier....whole different thing than a city carrier.....just sayin...

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

when did you carry mail and where ?.....

Northern California for over two decades beginning in the eighties.
But keep that to yourself.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

And why would he do that? He'd be risking a serious prison sentence for a single fraudulent vote?

This simply is not a problem in this nation. Please admit that your end game is to suppress the vote.

Lots of criminals take big risks for relatively small rewards. The prisons are filled with them.

 

[sartre play]

There would be little need for mail in ballots for the majority of the population IF there were enough polling places in all neighborhoods, and enough hours to avoid long lines.
What could be more important than Americans being able to vote for elected officials.

 

[colfax_m]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

What do you mean specifically? I don't want to make assumptions.

How do you police that someone who gets their ballot actually walks to the designated location and drops it in vs. leaving it for a mailman.

I still don't understand the question. What type of regulation are we "policing"? Walking to a ballot box or leaving with the mailman accomplish the same goal, ballot gets to the right location. Poll workers check signature and if it matches, count the ballot.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The inability of supposedly Intelligent people to grasp the simple fact that no ballot is counted until it has been verified is a wonder to behold.

There is no rational argument against sending every registered voter a ballot in the mail. It simply gives the electorate more options for casting votes.

This thread is just ******* stupid.

You are stupid. Unless a system is set up to count ballots and to QV the process, major errors may and will occur. Why are you here? You show up randomly and post stupid shit. You’re the epitome of a troll. Why do you find it so unnerving that IDs should be required and if you want a mail in ballot one should request.

Defund the Police...that’s the Democrats moniker. If you support it, the least you can do is put some effort into voting for it, you dumb fat leftist.

ID’s are required in order to register to vote. Only registered voters get ballots. There has been no impactful voter fraud in mail in ballots or in person voting in this nation.

More people voting is good. Period.

In MA, IDs are not required. I registered my wife and myself via the annual census.

This is a supposed GENIUS who believes that it is possible to register to vote without providing ID. Awesome.

Again, mine was done via census. Maybe initially I had to provide something. I don't recall. When I walk in and vote no one asks for my ID so my dad can walk in, give my address and vote as me.

And why would he do that? He'd be risking a serious prison sentence for a single fraudulent vote?

This simply is not a problem in this nation. Please admit that your end game is to suppress the vote.

How would he get caught? We have 80 year olds asking me what street I live on and then giving me a ballot.

He would get caught easily. Signature match. And....WTF are you talking about? Nobody is handing out ballots like that.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

What do you mean specifically? I don't want to make assumptions.

How do you police that someone who gets their ballot actually walks to the designated location and drops it in vs. leaving it for a mailman.

I still don't understand the question. What type of regulation are we "policing"? Walking to a ballot box or leaving with the mailman accomplish the same goal, ballot gets to the right location. Poll workers check signature and if it matches, count the ballot.

How will they check it when the number of ballots increases 100 fold?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The inability of supposedly Intelligent people to grasp the simple fact that no ballot is counted until it has been verified is a wonder to behold.

There is no rational argument against sending every registered voter a ballot in the mail. It simply gives the electorate more options for casting votes.

This thread is just ******* stupid.

You are stupid. Unless a system is set up to count ballots and to QV the process, major errors may and will occur. Why are you here? You show up randomly and post stupid shit. You’re the epitome of a troll. Why do you find it so unnerving that IDs should be required and if you want a mail in ballot one should request.

Defund the Police...that’s the Democrats moniker. If you support it, the least you can do is put some effort into voting for it, you dumb fat leftist.

ID’s are required in order to register to vote. Only registered voters get ballots. There has been no impactful voter fraud in mail in ballots or in person voting in this nation.

More people voting is good. Period.

In MA, IDs are not required. I registered my wife and myself via the annual census.

This is a supposed GENIUS who believes that it is possible to register to vote without providing ID. Awesome.

Again, mine was done via census. Maybe initially I had to provide something. I don't recall. When I walk in and vote no one asks for my ID so my dad can walk in, give my address and vote as me.

And why would he do that? He'd be risking a serious prison sentence for a single fraudulent vote?

This simply is not a problem in this nation. Please admit that your end game is to suppress the vote.

How would he get caught? We have 80 year olds asking me what street I live on and then giving me a ballot.

He would get caught easily. Signature match. And....WTF are you talking about? Nobody is handing out ballots like that.

What signatures? I didn't sign anything?

And it is a double edged sword. I can challenge every signature for a candidate I dislike and hold up the results. It is subjective and many signatures are messy. Happened to my brother in law in a neighboring town in MA for a recall election they are having. When I vote in person my ballot goes into the counter as I put it in there. Again, I wish they would ask me for my ID.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The inability of supposedly Intelligent people to grasp the simple fact that no ballot is counted until it has been verified is a wonder to behold.

There is no rational argument against sending every registered voter a ballot in the mail. It simply gives the electorate more options for casting votes.

This thread is just ******* stupid.

You are stupid. Unless a system is set up to count ballots and to QV the process, major errors may and will occur. Why are you here? You show up randomly and post stupid shit. You’re the epitome of a troll. Why do you find it so unnerving that IDs should be required and if you want a mail in ballot one should request.

Defund the Police...that’s the Democrats moniker. If you support it, the least you can do is put some effort into voting for it, you dumb fat leftist.

ID’s are required in order to register to vote. Only registered voters get ballots. There has been no impactful voter fraud in mail in ballots or in person voting in this nation.

More people voting is good. Period.

In MA, IDs are not required. I registered my wife and myself via the annual census.

This is a supposed GENIUS who believes that it is possible to register to vote without providing ID. Awesome.

Again, mine was done via census. Maybe initially I had to provide something. I don't recall. When I walk in and vote no one asks for my ID so my dad can walk in, give my address and vote as me.

And why would he do that? He'd be risking a serious prison sentence for a single fraudulent vote?

This simply is not a problem in this nation. Please admit that your end game is to suppress the vote.

How would he get caught? We have 80 year olds asking me what street I live on and then giving me a ballot.

He would get caught easily. Signature match. And....WTF are you talking about? Nobody is handing out ballots like that.

What signatures? I didn't sign anything?

And it is a double edged sword. I can challenge every signature for a candidate I dislike and hold up the results. It is subjective and many signatures are messy. Happened to my brother in law in a neighboring town in MA for a recall election they are having. When I vote in person my ballot goes into the counter as I put it in there. Again, I wish they would ask me for my ID.

You sign the ballot. Your signature is on file. It must match.

 

[colfax_m]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

What do you mean specifically? I don't want to make assumptions.

How do you police that someone who gets their ballot actually walks to the designated location and drops it in vs. leaving it for a mailman.

I still don't understand the question. What type of regulation are we "policing"? Walking to a ballot box or leaving with the mailman accomplish the same goal, ballot gets to the right location. Poll workers check signature and if it matches, count the ballot.

How will they check it when the number of ballots increases 100 fold?

Ballots aren't going to increase 100 fold. The only thing that changes is where the ballots are received. Poll workers check the signature whether you vote by mail or in person. Did you ever question how poll workers are going to check signatures at polling places on election day? Of course not.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The inability of supposedly Intelligent people to grasp the simple fact that no ballot is counted until it has been verified is a wonder to behold.

There is no rational argument against sending every registered voter a ballot in the mail. It simply gives the electorate more options for casting votes.

This thread is just ******* stupid.

You are stupid. Unless a system is set up to count ballots and to QV the process, major errors may and will occur. Why are you here? You show up randomly and post stupid shit. You’re the epitome of a troll. Why do you find it so unnerving that IDs should be required and if you want a mail in ballot one should request.

Defund the Police...that’s the Democrats moniker. If you support it, the least you can do is put some effort into voting for it, you dumb fat leftist.

ID’s are required in order to register to vote. Only registered voters get ballots. There has been no impactful voter fraud in mail in ballots or in person voting in this nation.

More people voting is good. Period.

In MA, IDs are not required. I registered my wife and myself via the annual census.

This is a supposed GENIUS who believes that it is possible to register to vote without providing ID. Awesome.

Again, mine was done via census. Maybe initially I had to provide something. I don't recall. When I walk in and vote no one asks for my ID so my dad can walk in, give my address and vote as me.

And why would he do that? He'd be risking a serious prison sentence for a single fraudulent vote?

This simply is not a problem in this nation. Please admit that your end game is to suppress the vote.

How would he get caught? We have 80 year olds asking me what street I live on and then giving me a ballot.

He would get caught easily. Signature match. And....WTF are you talking about? Nobody is handing out ballots like that.

What signatures? I didn't sign anything?

And it is a double edged sword. I can challenge every signature for a candidate I dislike and hold up the results. It is subjective and many signatures are messy. Happened to my brother in law in a neighboring town in MA for a recall election they are having. When I vote in person my ballot goes into the counter as I put it in there. Again, I wish they would ask me for my ID.

You sign the ballot. Your signature is on file. It must match.

Then things like this happen and its in a small town in MA. It is too messy IMO. Cleaner to have people vote in person or REQUEST absentee ballots.

Alvarado loses recall challenge before registrars

READING — Vanessa Alvarado lost her challenge to the recall petition Wednesday.

homenewshere.com

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

What do you mean specifically? I don't want to make assumptions.

How do you police that someone who gets their ballot actually walks to the designated location and drops it in vs. leaving it for a mailman.

I still don't understand the question. What type of regulation are we "policing"? Walking to a ballot box or leaving with the mailman accomplish the same goal, ballot gets to the right location. Poll workers check signature and if it matches, count the ballot.

How will they check it when the number of ballots increases 100 fold?

Ballots aren't going to increase 100 fold. The only thing that changes is where the ballots are received. Poll workers check the signature whether you vote by mail or in person. Did you ever question how poll workers are going to check signatures at polling places on election day? Of course not.

No they don't. I didn't sign anything when I voted. I checked off some boxes and went on my way. What the hell are you talking about?

 

[colfax_m]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

What do you mean specifically? I don't want to make assumptions.

How do you police that someone who gets their ballot actually walks to the designated location and drops it in vs. leaving it for a mailman.

I still don't understand the question. What type of regulation are we "policing"? Walking to a ballot box or leaving with the mailman accomplish the same goal, ballot gets to the right location. Poll workers check signature and if it matches, count the ballot.

How will they check it when the number of ballots increases 100 fold?

Ballots aren't going to increase 100 fold. The only thing that changes is where the ballots are received. Poll workers check the signature whether you vote by mail or in person. Did you ever question how poll workers are going to check signatures at polling places on election day? Of course not.

No they don't. I didn't sign anything when I voted. I checked off some boxes and went on my way. What the hell are you talking about?

That's how it's done in my state, but if you don't sign the book in Massachusetts, then in person voting is may be even less secure than mail in.

 

[Harry Dresden]

when did you carry mail and where ?.....

Northern California for over two decades beginning in the eighties.
But keep that to yourself.

why?....

 

[Cecilie1200]

Only the most gullible in our society, along with the very most corrupt .... would believe mail in voting could be secure.

Bottom line: if you break the clear chain of custody on your ballot, it's not secure. Period.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

why?....

Because it's my business. And the less trolls know about me the better.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Reminder: Why sending cash through the mail is a bad idea

A government agency has a new warning about something we've probably all been told is a no-no at some point: sending cash through the mail.

www.google.com

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houseofdebt.org

If voting by mail is secure then why does the USPS and countless other experts strongly advise people not to send cash in the mail?

Hmmmmmm.....

Maybe because cash is far more desirable than a ballot.

Hey, who let logic in this thread?

It depends to whom? If a mailman is a radical he may just burn them?

Then drop it off yourself.

This doesn't have to be difficult.

I am OK with that...but how do you police that?

What do you mean specifically? I don't want to make assumptions.

How do you police that someone who gets their ballot actually walks to the designated location and drops it in vs. leaving it for a mailman.

I still don't understand the question. What type of regulation are we "policing"? Walking to a ballot box or leaving with the mailman accomplish the same goal, ballot gets to the right location. Poll workers check signature and if it matches, count the ballot.

How will they check it when the number of ballots increases 100 fold?

Ballots aren't going to increase 100 fold. The only thing that changes is where the ballots are received. Poll workers check the signature whether you vote by mail or in person. Did you ever question how poll workers are going to check signatures at polling places on election day? Of course not.

No they don't. I didn't sign anything when I voted. I checked off some boxes and went on my way. What the hell are you talking about?

That's how it's done in my state, but if you don't sign the book in Massachusetts, then in person voting is may be even less secure than mail in.

Some old person checks off your name. I don't sign anything.