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hahhahahhahahaYou concede, the premise of your OP is wrong. You can not offer one answer to the errors you have made.It was by far the worst military debacle the U.S. armed forces suffered in the entire twentieth century
Debacle? That is your opinion, and as you have proven you are unable to substantiate your opinion.
..you people have't provided ANY evidence to refute it except your babbling
..I won this long ago...JFK's quote was the icing on the cake
I'm sure those nations will be glad to know you've decided what their objectives were.the US ''won''I see you had time to read my posts and reply. You have chosen not to reply. That does mean you concede, that your premise is false. You know absolutely nothing about Vietnam and our involvement.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!In 1950? We had nukes they didn't we had a modern army they didn't. The threat was never China it was Soviets. We could have wiped the floor with China if we had just sent enough troops and been willing to enter China.you--like a lot of people--think unrealistically and like it's a board game--this is a common problem with people--and you don't know history:..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
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Yes, and no.
Obviously if you put in place all of the restrictions on how to win the war.... then yes, you can't win the war.
It's like going into a boxing match, and saying
"You can't move from the spot you start on, and you can only hit back, if you have been hit yourself."
If you put those restrictions on yourself in a boxing match, you are going to lose the boxing match.
If the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
As soon as Nixon in 1972, ordered a theater wide unrestricted war on North Vietnam, the N.Vet came to the negotiating table. Nixon approved of the mass offensive in February. Intensified the attack in May. By October, the North Vietnamese were the ones asking for negotiations.
If we had done that in 1965, we would have ended the war.
There is not a single time, at any point in the entire Vietnam war, where enemy troops confronted US troops directly, and did not lose. The US military was better trained, better supplied, better equipped, had better air and ground support, artillery support, navel support, and so on.
Every time we confronted enemy troops, they folded... even when they out numbered US troops, and sometimes by a wide margin.
We could have gone straight to Hanoi, and won the war.
Instead we put restrictions on ourselves, that made it impossible to win. You can't win a war, by not attacking the enemy. You can't win a war, by only playing defense.
Think about it like Football. Can you ever win a game of football without offense? Can you ever win the game, without ever going on the other teams side of the field?
But that is exactly how we played the Vietnam war. We stayed on our side of the field, and marched around, expecting... what? The enemy to all commit suicide? Of course you can't win, without ever going at the enemy.
--so, to very easily refute your post---we go ''flatten North Korea and then we are at TOTAL war with China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..so Mr Genius--please tell me how do we defeat China?
But we were not wanting a war with China and China didn't want a war with us the Soviets pressured China into that war and the Soviets not the Chinese supported North Korea at that time NOT China.
Now if Mc Arther had kept his mouth shut and not made the statements he made we probably wouldn't have had to fight China. Truman should have fire Mac as soon as he started spouting off.
But Vietnam was different. We won the insurgency war in 1968 when North Vietnam initiated the Tet Offensive. We slaughtered the Viet Cong, after that there simply was NO Viet Cong they were all North Vietnam regulars smuggled in. But the Press started ranting about how we were losing and destroyed the moral at the home Front. Even North Vietnam admits they lost Tet and were finished, then OUR press got in the act and the North salvaged a political win. But by 72 South Vietnam was stable. They did NOT need US troops any more. They just needed artillery and air support. And our supplies ammo and parts.
1. send troops to war in CHina!!!!!!!!!???????
2. do you know how big China is????????!!!!
3. 550,000,000 vs 150,000,000 !!!!!!!!!??????!!
4. like Germany thinking they could beat Russia:
a. Russia TOO big
b. Russia population much bigger
......MacArthur said the same thing in 1950 right before China gave us a big a$$ whooping ...they kicked a whole Corps off the peninsula
..Mac said our airpower would be decisive --it wasn't
we had trouble enough with Germany---- AND Russia was on our side!
you are out of your cotton picking mind if you think we could defeat China--and
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You are making the claim that China had 550,000 armed soldiers to combat the USA? You are going to claim that had we declared War on China and anybody who supplies them, the Soviet Union would of entered a war with the USA?
Seeing how you have no understanding of Vietnam it is very clear you have less of an understanding of China and the Soviet Union.
It is sad that we did not destroy the Communists after World War II. We had the ability. Our soldiers had the will. We had the equipment and the armed forces.
Unwinnable is the argument harmonica makes.
China ''won''
SKorea ''won'
NKorea lost
US kept South Korea --which was the objective
China kept the US off their border/away from the Chosin= their objective
SKorea kept from being overrun
North Korea did not achieve it's objective
A UNC attack into North Korea would pose a more prominent threat to Chinaís national security.
On the afternoon of June 25, the U.N. Security Council met in an emergency session and approved a U.S. resolution calling for an “immediate cessation of hostilities” and the withdrawal of North Korean forces to the 38th parallel.
www.history.com
hahhahahhahahaYou concede, the premise of your OP is wrong. You can not offer one answer to the errors you have made.It was by far the worst military debacle the U.S. armed forces suffered in the entire twentieth century
Debacle? That is your opinion, and as you have proven you are unable to substantiate your opinion.
..you people have't provided ANY evidence to refute it except your babbling
..I won this long ago...JFK's quote was the icing on the cake
Nope JFK's quote didn't say he thought the war was unwinable and was made before we ever had combat units in Vietnam. In any case he was just voicing opinion on a different subject.
You simply know nothing about what you are trying to run your mouth about.
For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
..see the map above--China kicked OUR a$$esFor a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
MacArthurs arrogance screwed the pooch in Korea just like it did in the Philippines. Nobody could tell MacArthur anything.For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
..yes--he fked up in the PI alsoMacArthurs arrogance screwed the pooch in Korea just like it did in the Philippines. Nobody could tell MacArthur anything.For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
He was warned that his invasion of the north would draw in China. He laughed at the threat and laughed at China. His arrogance cost the US 50,000 lives
Truman should have fired him sooner
I know, evidence, something you have not posted. Tell us again how our involvement was only seven years and how France should of been a lesson.hahhahahhahahahahahah-
.....STOP posting so much evidence !! please!!!!!
Proving you wrong was evidence enough. First and foremost, you think the French lost should of been a lesson to us. You described France as strong. Had you any education beyond google searching your opinion you would have known that after World War II France had a weak Army, Almost no Air Force, and little Navy. That is fact. This is the second time I point it out to you. It is obvious, had you been able to find anything to counter my fact which would substantiate your opinion you would of linked to it. But you can not.hahhahahhahaha
..you people have't provided ANY evidence to refute it except your babbling
..I won this long ago...JFK's quote was the icing on the cake
The Chinese exaggerated their own military capabilities and underestimated the firepower and general effectiveness of American forces. But the Chinese army was unable to assimilate modern weaponry and tactics and, facing immense logistical difficulties, could not use its superior numbers to overwhelm United Nations forces.
The dogged determination of the United Nations Command (UNC) forces would not only dispel any Chinese hopes of a rapid victory, but would inflict over 539,000 casualties on the CPVF
Chinese errors in adapting to modern technology proved to be critical. The UNCís high mobility and increased firepower, which the Chinese trivialized, played a pivotal role in prolonging the conflict and denying the CPVF and the NKPA their ultimate victory.
Apparently you can't read either. My earlier post:MacArthurs arrogance screwed the pooch in Korea just like it did in the Philippines. Nobody could tell MacArthur anything.For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
He was warned that his invasion of the north would draw in China. He laughed at the threat and laughed at China. His arrogance cost the US 50,000 lives
Truman should have fired him sooner
I continue to be amazed at the accuracy with which our two resident Communist sympathizers quote their party line even in the face of truth.We must thank harmonica for pointing out that China and the North Koreans lost in Korea.
Chinese errors in adapting to modern technology proved to be critical. The UNCís high mobility and increased firepower, which the Chinese trivialized, played a pivotal role in prolonging the conflict and denying the CPVF and the NKPA their ultimate victory.
Nixon--a Republican--let Americans die for his own political gain--with Vietnam!:FDR was a DemIt is that arrogant dismissal of the capabilities of our adversaries that led to so many US deaths in Korea and Vietnam.you--like a lot of people--think unrealistically and like it's a board game--this is a common problem with people--and you don't know history:..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.
Yes, and no.
Obviously if you put in place all of the restrictions on how to win the war.... then yes, you can't win the war.
It's like going into a boxing match, and saying
"You can't move from the spot you start on, and you can only hit back, if you have been hit yourself."
If you put those restrictions on yourself in a boxing match, you are going to lose the boxing match.
If the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
As soon as Nixon in 1972, ordered a theater wide unrestricted war on North Vietnam, the N.Vet came to the negotiating table. Nixon approved of the mass offensive in February. Intensified the attack in May. By October, the North Vietnamese were the ones asking for negotiations.
If we had done that in 1965, we would have ended the war.
There is not a single time, at any point in the entire Vietnam war, where enemy troops confronted US troops directly, and did not lose. The US military was better trained, better supplied, better equipped, had better air and ground support, artillery support, navel support, and so on.
Every time we confronted enemy troops, they folded... even when they out numbered US troops, and sometimes by a wide margin.
We could have gone straight to Hanoi, and won the war.
Instead we put restrictions on ourselves, that made it impossible to win. You can't win a war, by not attacking the enemy. You can't win a war, by only playing defense.
Think about it like Football. Can you ever win a game of football without offense? Can you ever win the game, without ever going on the other teams side of the field?
But that is exactly how we played the Vietnam war. We stayed on our side of the field, and marched around, expecting... what? The enemy to all commit suicide? Of course you can't win, without ever going at the enemy.
--so, to very easily refute your post---we go ''flatten North Korea and then we are at TOTAL war with China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..so Mr Genius--please tell me how do we defeat China?
Are you kidding? China didn't barely have jack. In fact, having read about this, China was begging Stalin to let them drop the Vietnam war. It was draining their resources, and killing them economically.
Remember China just had the mass starvation of the Great Leap Forward in 1958 to 1960. The first half the 1960s of China was barely making a recovery.
And just by 1965, when things were almost at least back to where they were before the 1958 'leap to hell', then they engaged in the cultural revolution.
One of the idiotic things they did during the cultural revolution, was place all the factories and manufacturing plants, under the control of the revolutionary army. The managers and operators and knowledgeable people, were all replaced with military people. And unlike the US, these were not West Point trained officers, but rather just any idiot that was loyal to the communist party.
The people who knew how the factories worked, were sent to work the fields in the rural countryside.
In 1967 alone, production dropped 14%. That's insane. And keep in mind, China wasn't even a fraction as advanced as the US was, at that time. To lose 14% production in one year, when they didn't have that much production to begin with, was devastating.
And remember, in 1958, the entire Chinese arm was made up of peasants.
Again, if we had simply pushed to Hanoi in 1965, this would have been over. China could not have stopped us. Not even come close. Waves of peasants, would not have stopped fully supported US military advances.
And honestly, based on the huge critical issues throughout the China economy, they really would not have tried to stop us. If we had absolutely rolled in mass, towards Hanoi, they would have stepped back and let us go.
No it's a fact. That's just a fact. The Tet Offensive is a perfect example. The North Vietnamese specifically picked targets where there were few American Troops present, because they knew they would get slaughtered.
Not only that, but despite being a surprise attack, that focused on the least risky targets, it actually was a massive defeat for the North Vietnamese.
No, what killed our troops, was making it impossible for them to kill the enemy.
One particularly devastating story from a officer, was him recounting watching the enemy build a fire base to attack his base from, and not being allowed to call in an air strike, until they were actually being attacked, and men were actually dying.
Then after destroying the fire base, they wouldn't be allowed to go and finish off the people at the base. So they would watch them rebuild the base again, and still not be allowed to order an air strike, until once again they were being attacked and men were dying.
This is why our military personnel were killed. And that was due to left-wingers. No right-wing person believes that you can win a boxing match by not being allowed to move, and not being allowed to attack.
Left-wingers killed those troops.
hooooowoowoowowoowowoooooooo--you fked up!
1. I am not liberal at all--I am American
2. I served in the USMC for 8 years..my dad was at the Chosin
3. in 1983, I remember hearing that the USMC was going into Beirut--for DEFENSIVE purposes only
....BEFORE the bombing that killed more Marines in a single attack than many, many other incidents, I thought:
'''this is not good...that place is a big mess ...this will not be good'''
= do you remember who the President was that did not let the USMC protect themselves was ???? a REPUBLICAN
Yeah, FDR was. So was JFK, and LBJ.
And yes I thought (in retrospect) that the Beirut mission was a bad idea.
Generally speaking, I'm against all "peace keeping" missions. If there is not peace there, then we need to be going as a military force, or not at all.
If there *IS* peace there, then.... why are we going?
That said, comparing one bomb, to an entire war, is Apples and Oranges.
But I do agree the concept is somewhat similar. All in... or not in at all.
When a Candidate Conspired With a Foreign Power to Win An Election
It took decades to unravel Nixon’s sabotage of Vietnam peace talks. Now, the full story can be told.www.politico.com
Nixon Tried to Spoil Johnson’s Vietnam Peace Talks in ’68, Notes Show (Published 2017)
Richard M. Nixon feared that progress toward ending the war would hurt his chances for the presidency.www.nytimes.com
Apparently you can't read either. My earlier post:MacArthurs arrogance screwed the pooch in Korea just like it did in the Philippines. Nobody could tell MacArthur anything.For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
He was warned that his invasion of the north would draw in China. He laughed at the threat and laughed at China. His arrogance cost the US 50,000 lives
Truman should have fired him sooner
US Deaths:
Hostile: 33,739
Non-Hostile: 2,835
Total In-Theatre: 36,574
US Wounded in Action - 103,284
Other Casualties by Country (killed and missing)
Source: Encyclopedia Britannica
South Korea - (217,000 military, 1,000,000 civilian)
North Korea - (406,000 military, 600,000 civilian)
China - (600,000 military)
If you could read you might note that: USA KIA's= 33,739
North Korea KIA's=406,000
China KIA's =600,000
Find someone to do the math but we clearly kicked some serious ass and that without nukes which we would have been more than justified to use.
In Vietnam we killed and captured a few hundred more Chinese without even bothering to go looking for them. They just weren't ready to face those kind of losses again.
.......we went up to the Yalu-----we did take out NK---and then the Chinese kicked our assApparently you can't read either. My earlier post:MacArthurs arrogance screwed the pooch in Korea just like it did in the Philippines. Nobody could tell MacArthur anything.For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
He was warned that his invasion of the north would draw in China. He laughed at the threat and laughed at China. His arrogance cost the US 50,000 lives
Truman should have fired him sooner
US Deaths:
Hostile: 33,739
Non-Hostile: 2,835
Total In-Theatre: 36,574
US Wounded in Action - 103,284
Other Casualties by Country (killed and missing)
Source: Encyclopedia Britannica
South Korea - (217,000 military, 1,000,000 civilian)
North Korea - (406,000 military, 600,000 civilian)
China - (600,000 military)
If you could read you might note that: USA KIA's= 33,739
North Korea KIA's=406,000
China KIA's =600,000
Find someone to do the math but we clearly kicked some serious ass and that without nukes which we would have been more than justified to use.
In Vietnam we killed and captured a few hundred more Chinese without even bothering to go looking for them. They just weren't ready to face those kind of losses again.
Agreed agreed.
All of those numbers are dead on accurate.
We could have easily marched into N.K. and forced a surrender.
Especially during the 1950s. Again, China's army was quite literally peasants.
At least during Vietnam, China had a mild level of training. But during the 50s, the Chinese regulars were people formerly holding pitch forks in the countryside, that were handed bolt action rifles.
Equipment was often sparse, and resulted in them using captured American weapons, which then presented the problem of them running out of ammunition.
I am absolutely convinced based on the evidence, that if we had simply decided to take out North Korea, we could have done it, and then we wouldn't have this problem today.
after they kicked our assesChina, very much got stopped by the USA in Korea.
The Chinese exaggerated their own military capabilities and underestimated the firepower and general effectiveness of American forces. But the Chinese army was unable to assimilate modern weaponry and tactics and, facing immense logistical difficulties, could not use its superior numbers to overwhelm United Nations forces.
apparently you don't know shit about history/war/etcApparently you can't read either. My earlier post:MacArthurs arrogance screwed the pooch in Korea just like it did in the Philippines. Nobody could tell MacArthur anything.For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
He was warned that his invasion of the north would draw in China. He laughed at the threat and laughed at China. His arrogance cost the US 50,000 lives
Truman should have fired him sooner
US Deaths:
Hostile: 33,739
Non-Hostile: 2,835
Total In-Theatre: 36,574
US Wounded in Action - 103,284
Other Casualties by Country (killed and missing)
Source: Encyclopedia Britannica
South Korea - (217,000 military, 1,000,000 civilian)
North Korea - (406,000 military, 600,000 civilian)
China - (600,000 military)
If you could read you might note that: USA KIA's= 33,739
North Korea KIA's=406,000
China KIA's =600,000
Find someone to do the math but we clearly kicked some serious ass and that without nukes which we would have been more than justified to use.
In Vietnam we killed and captured a few hundred more Chinese without even bothering to go looking for them. They just weren't ready to face those kind of losses again.
