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I have no doubt that there was a Jewish, apocalyptic preacher from Nazareth who had a small following, ran afoul of Roman authority and was crucified. Other than that, I'm very skeptical of anything else in the NT since it is not a history book, it is a theological work.
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votto the deceiver ...
doubting the biblical account of jesus is the lack of physical proof during their lifetime as a single stone carving or pottery w/ their likeness for proof of their popularity.
their repudiation of judaism, false commandments et al - being swept under the carpet replaced by the 4th century christian bible.
doubting the biblical account of jesus is the lack of physical proof during their lifetime as a single stone carving or pottery w/ their likeness for proof of their popularity.
their repudiation of judaism, false commandments et al - being swept under the carpet replaced by the 4th century christian bible.
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No, it is also a historical book. As the video explains, these are real people talking about real events in history.
In fact, the Bible is the only religious text that I know of in which a scientific discipline has been created from, namely, Biblical Archeology.
I highly recommend the movie Patterns of Evidence, showcasing the case for the historic account of the Exodus.
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Yes, there are certainly real places, people, and events in the Bible but that is not the focus of the book and when the two conflict, the theology takes precedent. The result is that there are many events in the Bible that never actually happened but support the theology of the authors.
This is not a criticism of the book, just an acknowledgement of the facts.
The only other example I know about would be the Iliad and the search for Troy.
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Are you pointing out that belief in God took precedent?
Over historical veracity? Yes.
Jews lived all over the Middle East so finding them in Egypt is hardly surprising. What is surprising is the total lack of evidence of an influx of people to Palestine during that period. There were Jews in Palestine from the earliest archeological records. If any emigrated from Egypt, they had little impact on the peoples already there.
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Why "over" historical veracity, and not, "along with..." ?
There are plenty of examples where history and theology conflict and generally the theology wins.
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Who was this preacher who ran afoul of Roman authority?
Yeshua.
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The Irish Ram
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It is the History of the Jews from beginning to end. The final battle will be there, the return of Jesus will be there. He will set up His throne there. It is in Jerusalem that Heaven itself comes to earth.
Jesus had no small flock. Thousands and thousands and thousands literally followed behind Him, listening to what he said, and watching Him working miracles. They saw Him come back. It solidified for them that Jesus was truly the Son of God, even if it meant their own death. Jesus sent 70 disciples out to minister in different towns and told them if they weren't well received to wipe the dust from their shoes and move on.
Satisfy your skepticism by gathering End Time prophesy, and see if any of it is familiar. Then ask yourself how some mortal, 2,000 years ago, could have envisioned such prophesies.
They executed him. That was pretty foul.
Everything you cite comes from the Bible and none from other, contemporary, sources. For instance, if Jesus had 'thousands and thousands and thousands' of followers, I'd expect someone at the time would have mentioned it. As such, I remain skeptical of the claims.
norwegen
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That doesn't answer the question. I'm what ways did Jesus run afoul of Roman authority?
That is unclear. Crucifixion, a punishment only available to the Roman authorities, was generally reserved for serious crimes against Rome, like treason. If the authorities thought Jesus was calling himself 'king', that would certainly qualify as treason.
norwegen
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Well, guess what. Romans thought Jesus thought of himself as a king, but they didn't think him a traitor to Rome.
Keep working on that "that is unclear," angle. That's what Christians do when they can't answer my question. It gives them comfort.
The Irish Ram
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Someone did. The Pharisees.
In one event, there were 5,000 men following Him. Women and children were not counted, and probably out numbered the men. The total count would be 10,000 to 20,000. There were 4 eyewitnesses that wrote about it. In another incident, Jesus was nearly pushed into the sea by a mob of people trying to get close to Him. He continued to talk to them all from a boat. The Gospel of Nicodemus is stunning.
Jesus was a threat, not to Rome, but to the Priests.
The Bible gives us history in advance, and warns against adding to it or taking from it. There are levels of information in the Bible, including a computer program that is embedded in the Book, that require specific letters to extract the code. That is why it is primarily in the Old Testament.
The Bible is a lot of things. It is a training manual for humans. There is nothing contemporary that it needs.
Having said that, contemporary things do confirm what the Bible says. For instance, science recently found the dimensions recorded in the Bible. Soon they will discover that dimensions can be torn, rolled up like a scroll, burned up. The more science evolves, the closer they get to the Creator of it all. And Contemporary archeologists confirm it. Philosophers and historians wrote about Jesus.
Keep in mind that for a few hundred years, everything Christian was destroyed, including the believers. But Jesus said His words would never pass away. Prophesy fulfilled.
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