vegan, vegetarian, or just normal food?

[Dagosa]

It's not about calories. It's about the quality of the food.

You will not be obese if you eat quality food.

Your body processes 1,000 calories of tuna differently than it processes 1,000 calories of Nutty Bars.

Yup.
With few exceptions many overweight people are malnourished. If you eat all the foods you need for good nutrition first, you stand a fighting chance of saying “ no” to empty calories.

 

[Dagosa]

There are a small group of people born with screwed up metabolism aka an unnatural propensity for gaining weight. Even on a healthy diet they can put on the pounds. They need special medical help as their obesity is not their fault.

But most of us gain weight because we consume more calories than we burn and that generally includes eating food high in calories that aren't all that nutritious.

If we consume a head of lettuce, and a bunch of celery, and several bunches of radishes for our meal, we will actually lose weight because the energy it takes to digest those foods burns more calories than we get from them.

The same bulk of food in fried potatoes, twinkies, donuts and hotdogs would not make the scales friendly the next morning.

All you have to do is compare HS yearbook pictures a few decades ago before fast food chains became the norm. You could count the over weight on one hand in a class picture, and they would be “ normal “ now. Let’s face it, the average person doesn’t stand a chance if they eat fast and processed foods regularly.

The “ tricks” that “ food engineers “ use to make their products taste better than more nutritious and make natural ingredient foods taste like sandpaper, is astounding. We need sugar and carbs when they appear in nutrient rich foods and are a low %. But we don’t need fast foods that literally starve you of nutrients in favor of HFCs and artificially enhanced salt and sugar content,

 

[Dagosa]

Cheeseburgers with mayo and bacon.

Anyone who doesn’t like bacon is a little strange.
Just a little fact many people don’t know. If you’re trying to reduce your fat content by drinking 2% milk, it ain’t doing much. Whole milk is about 3.25 % fat.

“A 1-cup serving of milk contains about 8 grams of fat and 150 calories. You could also say whole milk has roughly 3.25% milk fat. If you keep that in mind, milk fat percentages make more sense: reduced-fat milk (2%), low-fat milk (1%) and fat-free milk (or 0% if you want to be a stickler), which is also called skim milk.”

 

[Papageorgio]

You've got it backwards. WHO started this and nearly all other threads like this? Vegan? Or corpse eaters?

You're mad that we express our opinion in your rants.

You guys feel the need to respond in Vegan threads. Maybe follow your own advice if you can't take being challenged

I do, I have never asked a vegan or vegetarian to change their diet, but I am not changing my diet either.

The thread asked what people liked and I responded and so did vegans, not seeing your point. Eat what you want, I really don’t care because it doesn’t affect me.

 

[Foxfyre]

All you have to do is compare HS yearbook pictures a few decades ago before fast food chains became the norm. You could count the over weight on one hand in a class picture, and they would be “ normal “ now. Let’s face it, the average person doesn’t stand a chance if they eat fast and processed foods regularly.

The “ tricks” that “ food engineers “ use to make their products taste better than more nutritious and make natural ingredient foods taste like sandpaper, is astounding. We need sugar and carbs when they appear in nutrient rich foods and are a low %. But we don’t need fast foods that literally starve you of nutrients in favor of HFCs and artificially enhanced salt and sugar content,

I don't disagree. When I was a kid we had breakfast which was a filling and nourishing breakfast with everything made from scratch. And all parents were expected to see that their kids had breakfast. Only a very bad parent would send a kid to school hungry. The schools certainly did not expect to have to provide breakfast for anybody.

We could take a sack lunch of a sandwich, maybe some carrot sticks, apple and a thermos of milk or if we ate in the cafeteria the food was filling and nutritious if simple. Again the parents were expected to provide that sack lunch or the quarter to buy lunch in the cafeteria. Supper our moms made from scratch with a protein, lots of fresh veggies, sometimes fruit, potatoes or rice or beans.

Fast food was the chicken chased down for Sunday dinner.

And yes, fat people were pretty rare and we were well nourished even when we were poor.

Processed foods are poisonous to us all.

 

[Moonglow]

Anyone who doesn’t like bacon is a little strange.
Just a little fact many people don’t know. If you’re trying to reduce your fat content by drinking 2% milk, it ain’t doing much. Whole milk is about 3.25 % fat.

“A 1-cup serving of milk contains about 8 grams of fat and 150 calories. You could also say whole milk has roughly 3.25% milk fat. If you keep that in mind, milk fat percentages make more sense: reduced-fat milk (2%), low-fat milk (1%) and fat-free milk (or 0% if you want to be a stickler), which is also called skim milk.”

Milk is an awful beverage.

 

[Dagosa]

Papageorgio

Milk is an awful beverage.

Not nutritionally but whole milk is too fatty for most but growing children.

 

[Moonglow]

Papageorgio

Not nutritionally but whole milk is too fatty for most but growing children.

I had to drink it or water growing up, the problem is there are missing nutrients, (vitamin C), in cows' milk for human growth.

 

[Dagosa]

I had to drink it or water growing up, the problem is there are missing nutrients, (vitamin C), in cows' milk for human growth.

But there are a dozen other nutrients. But it isn’t like you have to drink milk raw, we use it in cooking lots of dishes.
“Cows milk is the most consumed milk by man among milk of animal origin.It is composed of proteins, lipids, carbohydrates, minerals such as calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, zinc and iodine. It also has B vitamins, vitamins A, D and E.”

About the only thing it doesn’t have is vitamin c

 

[Zebra]

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[Zebra]

That’s a funny survey. Why isn’t a vegetarian diet considered normal.

with normal i mean .... no restrictions

 

[Woodznutz]

When God blessed Israel with " a land flowing with milk and honey" it was animal milk He was referring to (albeit likely goats' milk).

 

[Zebra]

When God blessed Israel with " a land flowing with milk and honey" it was animal milk He was referring to (albeit likely goats' milk).

is there also none.animal milk?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

When God blessed Israel with " a land flowing with milk and honey" it was animal milk He was referring to (albeit likely goats' milk).

Israel existed in a FALLEN world. Israel exists THIS SIDE of the Flood, yet while they wandered the wilderness God gave them only plant food except when they cried and whined like little bitches for quail. That DEMAND for "meat" angered Him so much He forced them to eat it until it made them SICK

 

[Woodznutz]

is there also none.animal milk?

Today there is. Back then the "cattle on a thousand hills" likely gave animal milk.

 

[Woodznutz]

Israel existed in a FALLEN world. Israel exists THIS SIDE of the Flood, yet while they wandered the wilderness God gave them only plant food except when they cried and whined like little bitches for quail. That DEMAND for "meat" angered Him so much He forced them to eat it until it made them SICK

More likely they were not eating their livestock as they would be necessary once they reached Canaan. It is also likely that milk from lactating animals was dedicated to feeding the young animals. In any case it is unlikely that the milk produced would feed the five or six million Israelites, thus the manna and quail was necessary. Once settled in Canaan Israel enjoyed meat and milk, as a primary blessing and source of wealth from God.

God also knew that the animals of the Canaanite tribes were likely corrupted which is why he ordered Saul to kill them. He didn't want Israel's flocks and herds to be affected by this corruption if they were mixed together.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Israel existed in a FALLEN world. Israel exists THIS SIDE of the Flood, yet while they wandered the wilderness God gave them only plant food except when they cried and whined like little bitches for quail. That DEMAND for "meat" angered Him so much He forced them to eat it until it made them SICK

And another thing, they DID NOT treat cattle the way corporate "farmers" treat cattle today. I've been tempted to post videos since you insist on keeping this topic alive but I'm sure the mods would remove those videos for the same reason they won't allow the members here to actually SEE an abortion, especially late term.

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH

 

[Woodznutz]

And another thing, they DID NOT treat cattle the way corporate "farmers" treat cattle today. I've been tempted to post videos since you insist on keeping this topic alive but I'm sure the mods would remove those videos for the same reason they won't allow the members here to actually SEE an abortion, especially late term.

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH

I know some farmers mistreat their animals. I've seen it firsthand. The owner of a stable where I used to ride would strike the horses on the rump with the toothed edge of a big handsaw, often drawing blood. The hired hand that did the milking on my uncle's dairy farm would hit the cows with a baseball bat if they got out of line.

 

[Zebra]

yes, and cattle transports are often cruel ....

 

[ShahdagMountains]

yes, and cattle transports are often cruel ....

OTOH.

Vegans have been misled again thinking they are killing less animals than a person on grass fed beef for example, this is a complete ILLUSION sold to you by the NWO plant based propaganda machine!
What they fail to tell you about on Plant Based News and the like is MONOCULTURES which is land cleared for vegans to eat crops and grains.
During this process BILLIONS of small mammals, rodents, birds and insects will be killed! The problem is vegans don’t care about those beings, only pigs, chickens and cows because they have been programmed by Earthlings and Cowspiracy! This is nothing more than SPECIESISM
So if you are looking to do the LEAST harm then you should consider grass fed organic meat! Vegans will glaze over all of this because it doesn’t fit in with the narrative but if you TRULY cared about animals you would research monocultures and the damage that is being done.

Tony Sayers.