vegan, vegetarian, or just normal food?

[Moonglow]

what do you like?

Cheeseburgers with mayo and bacon.

 

[buttercup]

According to this report from Harvard med , the keto diet is advertised as a weight loss diet when it’s really “a medical diet with serious risks”

Should you try the keto diet? - Harvard Health

It's advertised as a weight-loss wonder, but this eating plan is actually a medical diet that comes with serious risks. In the world of weight-loss diets, low-carbohydrate, high-protein eating plan...

www.health.harvard.edu

People on a keto diet have had good results for the short term, but based on what I've seen and based on what nutritionists who I trust and respect have said, it is very bad for the long term, and can be disastrous.

 

[Dagosa]

People on a keto diet have had good results for the short term, but based on what I've seen and based on what nutritionists who I trust and respect have said, it is very bad for the long term, and can be disastrous.

Exactly…..when obese people need to lose weight to save their lives and ease the stress on their hearts, it’s a short term solution….

 

[Carl in Michigan]

People on a keto diet have had good results for the short term, but based on what I've seen and based on what nutritionists who I trust and respect have said, it is very bad for the long term, and can be disastrous.

The body NEEDS healthy, natural carbs. What you don't NEED is sugar, and REFINED, white carbs. But people gotta live a little and enjoy life

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Exactly…..when obese people need to lose weight to save their lives and ease the stress on their hearts, it’s a short term solution….

But totally unnecessary. You're better off and will have faster, and long term results eating "God Food."

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I know this is an old thread, but I just have to say.... it's funny to me how the poll was worded.

"Normal food."

There's a lot I could say about that... but I'm not sure I want to invite the inevitable onslaught.

"Normal food" is an apple. Carrots, broccoli, wheat, rice, beans etc
Normal food is the food GOD gave to Man -- not what we've presumptuously TAKEN for ourselves

 

[Dagosa]

"Normal food" is an apple. Carrots, broccoli, wheat, rice, beans etc
Normal food is the food GOD gave to Man -- not what we've presumptuously TAKEN for ourselves

Etc is a lot of food. How about McDonalds fries ? It’s made from potatoes, and other stuff. HFCs ?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I have never seen a vegetarian who looked healthy. I eat everything that tastes good, and my physique manifests that philosophy. I know of no issues I have because I eat red meat every day. I'm 74 and quite healthy.

 

[Foxfyre]

Nope, you really don't have to kill and cook any body, dead or alive. lol. And the only reason I bring that up is because there are people who say things like "well, I kind of feel bad eating animals, but I have to, for nutrition." Well, no. You really don't have to. I'm not speaking to you personally, of course, that was a general you.




Genesis 1:29 clearly refutes that. As does Genesis 2, which (although not as direct as Gen 1:29) shows that the purpose of animals was not to be mere menu items, but to keep man company. If God truly intended animals to be food, He would have stated they are food from the very start, from beginning to end. But the opposite is the case, they were not food in the beginning (Gen. 1:29-30) and they are not in the end, when God restores that Edenic world of peace and harmony that was HIS intent in the first place (Isaiah 11:6-9, Isaiah 65:25, etc.)

God never intended humans and animals to be at each other's throats, and for the animals to live in constant fear of us. Those things are a result of the fall.

And I would not put eating corpses in the same sentence as 'healthy balanced diet', since the long-term effects of flesh eating are not good at all. As for what you said about easiest and tastiest, I think that's another big misconception. I've been vegan for 7 years, and for me it has been easy, for the most part. The only time it was slightly less than easy was when I lived in Baja and I wanted to go out to eat, as the town I lived in had no vegan restaurants. But cooking at home is easy. And the food I make is always tasty.




I'm glad you brought up the phrase "live and let live." I believe that too, that's precisely why I'm vegan.

One isn't "living and letting live" when you needlessly take the lives of other souls who want to live just as strongly as you and I do. Truly "living and letting live" respects everyone's autonomy, including the animals.... especially ones that are innocent and vulnerable, and look to us to take care of them, not to exploit them for our own selfish reasons.

What I never saw before I went vegan and now see so clearly is this: they trust us, we betray them.

Again, that's a general "we".... thankfully more and more people are choosing to not take part in that. I've said this before, but I'll say it again... It was the second best decision I ever made. My only regret is not doing it years sooner.


Blues Man, CarlinAnnArbor, here we go again.

So if you want to battle Bible verses, what do you do with Genesis 9 where God tells Noah: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. . .all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

Which is somewhat contracted in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 where we find a lot of detail of what animals we can eat and what animals we can't eat and how what we do eat must be prepared in order to be kosher. In Exodus 12:8 - "That same night they are to eat the meat (lamb) roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and unleavened bread." The Lord instructed the people to eat lamb as part of the Passover feast:

The fatted calf was killed for a feast to celebrate the return of the Prodigal son. Jesus' disciples who were fishermen certainly didn't fish to have the fish for company. In Luke 24 a resurrected Jesus eats fish to show the Disciples that he was not a ghost. And in John 21 and the miraculous catch of fish, the implication is that Jesus himself cooked the fish and gave it it to his Disciples and shared the meal with them.

So if the Bible cannot be used conclusively to support veganism as the way of life God commands, we can still count it as an ethical choice for those who choose veganism. In my kitchen I cook for many people with many dietary needs and among them are vegetarians and vegans that I make sure have plenty of good food to eat. And they enjoy a good meal and the comradery of whatever occasion right along with the carnivores.

And in my sense of ethics, THAT is living and let live.

 

[Foxfyre]

That is true...a high protein diet does help with weight control.
But, if you eat ANY processed foods including the meats and don’t include some moderate amounts of specific low calorie vegetables and fruits, a MAIN source of nutrients. You can get fucked.

Most people gain weight because they don’t eat enough of the right foods, which deprives them of nutrients leaving them perpetually hungry. Vegetarians do live longer but not because they are vegetarians, but because they are more diet conscious other wise and eat fewer processed foods which are literally NUTRIENT FREE in many cases. That and the growth hormones and nitrates found in processed foods is a killer.

There are a small group of people born with screwed up metabolism aka an unnatural propensity for gaining weight. Even on a healthy diet they can put on the pounds. They need special medical help as their obesity is not their fault.

But most of us gain weight because we consume more calories than we burn and that generally includes eating food high in calories that aren't all that nutritious.

If we consume a head of lettuce, and a bunch of celery, and several bunches of radishes for our meal, we will actually lose weight because the energy it takes to digest those foods burns more calories than we get from them.

The same bulk of food in fried potatoes, twinkies, donuts and hotdogs would not make the scales friendly the next morning.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

So if you want to battle Bible verses, what do you do with Genesis 9 where God tells Noah: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. . .all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

Which is somewhat contracted in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 where we find a lot of detail of what animals we can eat and what animals we can't eat and how what we do eat must be prepared in order to be kosher. In Exodus 12:8 - "That same night they are to eat the meat (lamb) roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and unleavened bread." The Lord instructed the people to eat lamb as part of the Passover feast:

The fatted calf was killed for a feast to celebrate the return of the Prodigal son. Jesus' disciples who were fishermen certainly didn't fish to have the fish for company. In Luke 24 a resurrected Jesus eats fish to show the Disciples that he was not a ghost. And in John 21 and the miraculous catch of fish, the implication is that Jesus himself cooked the fish and gave it it to his Disciples and shared the meal with them.

So if the Bible cannot be used conclusively to support veganism as the way of life God commands, we can still count it as an ethical choice for those who choose veganism. In my kitchen I cook for many people with many dietary needs and among them are vegetarians and vegans that I make sure have plenty of good food to eat. And they enjoy a good meal and the comradery of whatever occasion right along with the carnivores.

And in my sense of ethics, THAT is living and let live.

Imagine a world that was completely wiped out. The ground you walk on has been under water for a year.

There would be no supermarkets. There were no gardens. No farms. NOTHING to eat.
SIN was the reason God had to give NOAH animal flesh. God didn't make that deal with you several thousand years later. This was made with Noah.

Examine EVERY account where God reveals the he diet He wishes for Man. It is ALWAYS vegan.

Israel in the wilderness, GOD PROVIDED a vegan diet. It was only their incessant WHINING and grumbling that God said, if you want quail instead of the manna I gave you, I will give you quail until it's coming out your ears. A carnivore diet is ALWAYS linked to some in the Bible. God TOLERATES a certain amount of rebellion in Man, but that doesn't mean He APPROVES

God COMMANDED Ezekiel to eat a vegan diet. The apostles all are a vegan diet. Evidence suggest Jesus was vegan

We've covered this MANY times, but still you want to debate the same points over and over

 

[Carl in Michigan]

There are a small group of people born with screwed up metabolism aka an unnatural propensity for gaining weight. Even on a healthy diet they can put on the pounds. They need special medical help as their obesity is not their fault.

But most of us gain weight because we consume more calories than we burn and that generally includes eating food high in calories that aren't all that nutritious.

If we consume a head of lettuce, and a bunch of celery, and several bunches of radishes for our meal, we will actually lose weight because the energy it takes to digest those foods burns more calories than we get from them.

The same bulk of food in fried potatoes, twinkies, donuts and hotdogs would not make the scales friendly the next morning.

It's not about calories. It's about the quality of the food.

You will not be obese if you eat quality food.

Your body processes 1,000 calories of tuna differently than it processes 1,000 calories of Nutty Bars.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And in my sense of ethics, THAT is living and let live.

Kinda funny that you use the phrase "live and let live" as you advocate for the slaughter of God's innocent creatures

 

[Foxfyre]

Imagine a world that was completely wiped out. The ground you walk on has been under water for a year.

There would be no supermarkets. There were no gardens. No farms. NOTHING to eat.
SIN was the reason God had to give NOAH animal flesh. God didn't make that deal with you several thousand years later. This was made with Noah.

Examine EVERY account where God reveals the he diet He wishes for Man. It is ALWAYS vegan.

Israel in the wilderness, GOD PROVIDED a vegan diet. It was only their incessant WHINING and grumbling that God said, if you want quail instead of the manna I gave you, I will give you quail until it's coming out your ears. A carnivore diet is ALWAYS linked to some in the Bible. God TOLERATES a certain amount of rebellion in Man, but that doesn't mean He APPROVES

God COMMANDED Ezekiel to eat a vegan diet. The apostles all are a vegan diet. Evidence suggest Jesus was vegan

We've covered this MANY times, but still you want to debate the same points over and over

God can do whatever he wants. Noah sent out the dove who returned to the Ark. And within a couple of weeks the dove returns with an olive branch. An olive branch? After the Earth had been covered with water just two weeks before? (Of course we still don't know how long a 'day' or 'week' was in Noah's time.

But God's covenant with Noah was after the flood and after the water had receded. If the dove found an olive branch, the plants were again on Earth, else many of those critters released from the Ark would have had nothing to eat.

 

[Foxfyre]

Kinda funny that you use the phrase "live and let live" as you advocate for the slaughter of God's innocent creatures

Those who presume righteous authority to dictate how others must live their lives do not understand the concept of 'live and let live.'

 

[Foxfyre]

It's not about calories. It's about the quality of the food.

You will not be obese if you eat quality food.

Your body processes 1,000 calories of tuna differently than it processes 1,000 calories of Nutty Bars.

How does that contradict anything I said????

 

[Papageorgio]

I like what I like and don’t mind if you eat what you like and people that tell me what and how to eat other than my doctor should just mind their own business.

 

[Zebra]

only 2/22 for vegan

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I like what I like and don’t mind if you eat what you like and people that tell me what and how to eat other than my doctor should just mind their own business.

You've got it backwards. WHO started this and nearly all other threads like this? Vegan? Or corpse eaters?

You're mad that we express our opinion in your rants.

You guys feel the need to respond in Vegan threads. Maybe follow your own advice if you can't take being challenged

 

[Dagosa]

I like what I like and don’t mind if you eat what you like and people that tell me what and how to eat other than my doctor should just mind their own business.

Maybe a doctor and the guy who tries to fit next to a lardo on these skimpy airline seats.