Vaccinated people spread covid

[LordBrownTrout]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download&ved=2ahUKEwjHxqrV17DyAhWeB50JHX2BAX8QFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xQaC-8UU6GPyKH_yB9IR8

“Among 3410 total cases of suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group [who received a saltwater shot].”

Those shocking numbers have never seen the light of day in news media.

 

[colfax_m]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download&ved=2ahUKEwjHxqrV17DyAhWeB50JHX2BAX8QFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xQaC-8UU6GPyKH_yB9IR8

“Among 3410 total cases of suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group [who received a saltwater shot].”

Those shocking numbers have never seen the light of day in news media.

Because we can tell the difference between suspected and confirmed COVID cases.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Because we can tell the difference between suspected and confirmed COVID cases.

We could back then also. You missed the point. They didn't tell anyone.

 

[colfax_m]

We could back then also. You missed the point. They didn't tell anyone.

Precisely. That’s why no one gets shook up about “suspected” cases when confirmation of COVID is so simple.

 

[infowar]

Rigby5

There is almost zero risk to getting vaccinated. Whereas at least 624,000 people in the U.S. have died from the coronavirus so far. Though a little while back when it was "only" 600K, according the the University if Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluations, the number was closer to 900,000. (If not a little more) The coronavirus is at least 3 times deadlier than the flu. If not for our advanced medical technology, it's hard to say how many people would be dead by now. As a percentage of our population, no doubt the death toll without that advanced medical technology would have made the death toll in the U.S. during the 1918-1919 Spanish flu outbreak seem like small potatoes in comparison.

Also, people have been doing vaccines for a long time. It was way back in 1885 that Louis Pasteur came up with a rabies vaccine. And the science behind vaccines has improved ever since. Trust the vaccine. Trust what the doctors are saying. Get the vaccine.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Precisely. That’s why no one gets shook up about “suspected” cases when confirmation of COVID is so simple.

No, the number infected was about the same between the placebo and injection. That was never conveyed to the public. Now, we're seeing a terrified public begging for more quantity, third dose. It's amazing to watch.

 

[colfax_m]

No, the number infected was about the same between the placebo and injection. That was never conveyed to the public. Now, we're seeing a terrified public begging for more quantity, third dose. It's amazing to watch.

The number infected with what exactly? None of the illnesses you’re referring to were from COVID.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

No, the number infected was about the same between the placebo and injection. That was never conveyed to the public. Now, we're seeing a terrified public begging for more quantity, third dose. It's amazing to watch.

What the hell are you talking about. Clinical trials have shown that there is a hight efficacy rate for the Covid Vax. Stop lying!

 

[zaangalewa]

Dr. Dan Stock, MD, discusses masks and vaccines (Video).

Everything we are doing is wrong. Everything being recommended by the CDC is inconsistent with established Science and their own data.

Masks are ineffective at preventing viral transmission, per the CDC's and NIH's own data.

We cannot make respiratory viruses disappear. They circulate all year, and they have animal reservoirs. Smallpox had no animal reservoirs.

Vaccination changes none of this.

Vaccinations change a lot. Here in Germany we use a calendar for vaccainations (the dates are not so important. If a child is sick feels not well then it's not any problem to make a vaccination later). I do not translate this now - except it is important for the understanding.

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2-11 month:

Laut Impfkommission sollten Kinder im ersten Lebensjahr gegen Diphterie (D/d), Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap), Tetanus (T), Haemophilus influenza Typ b (Hib), Hepatitis B (HB), Kinderlähmung (Poliomyelitis, IPV), Pneumokokken und gegen Rotaviren geimpft werden. Die Grundimmunisierung sollte ab dem 2. Lebensmonat beginnen und bei Erreichen des 12. Lebensmonats abgeschlossen sein.

Eine Impfung gegen Grippe (Influenza) empfiehlt die STIKO trotz der zahlreichen Debatten in jüngster Zeit als Standard-Impfung bislang nur für Personen über 60 Jahre.
(=A vaccination against flu (infkuenza) ... is recommened from the STIKO only for person over 60 years.)

11-15th month:

Ab dem ersten Lebensjahr empfiehlt die STIKO Impfungen gegen Masern, Mumps und Röteln (MMR), Meningokokken sowie Windpocken (Varizellen). (=measels, mumps, rubella, meningococcals, chicken pox)

Da Masern meistens erst im Erwachsenenalter Komplikationen verursachen, raten impfkritische Ärzte, Kinder erst im Schulalter impfen zu lassen. Am Ende des 2. Lebensjahres wird eine vollständige Überprüfung des Impfstatus unbedingt empfohlen.

5-6 years:

Die Impfungen gegen Diphterie (D/d), Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) und Tetanus (T) müssen zweimal aufgefrischt werden: das erste Mal im Alter von 5 - 6 Jahren, das zweite Mal im Alter zwischen 9 und 16 Jahren.

9-16 years

Hepatitis B, weitere Auffrischungen

Kinderlähmung (Poliomyelitis, IPV) wird zum ersten Mal, Diphterie (D/d), Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) und Tetanus (T) zum zweiten Mal aufgefrischt.

Erwachsenen empfiehlt die STIKO alle 10 Jahre die Auffrischung der Tetanus- und Diphterieimpfung. Die erste dieser Auffrischungen sollte zusätzlich mit einer Auffrischung der Immunisierung gegen Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) verbunden sein. Außerdem sollte bei allen nach 1970 Geborenen mit unklarem Impfschutz, keiner Impfung oder nur einer Impfung in der Kindheit ab 18 Jahren zusätzlich eine Masern-Impfung erfolgen.

Ältere Menschen über 60 Jahre sollten sich zudem gegen Pneumokokken, Grippe (Influenza) und Gürtelrose (Herpes zoster) immunisieren lassen. Ist im Säuglingsstadium keine Grundimmunisierung gegen Hepatitis B (HB) vorgenommen worden, kann diese nun ebenfalls erfolgen. Mädchen und Jungen im Alter von 9 bis 14 Jahren sollten gegen Humane Papilloma-Viren (HPV können Krebs verursachen) immunisiert werden. Auch die Immunisierung gegen Windpocken (Varizellen) sollte überprüft werden.


18 years :

ab 18 Jahre​

Auffrischungen und Impfungen für Erwachsene

Erwachsenen empfiehlt die STIKO alle 10 Jahre die Auffrischung der Tetanus- und Diphterieimpfung. Die erste dieser Auffrischungen sollte zusätzlich mit einer Auffrischung der Immunisierung gegen Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) verbunden sein. Außerdem sollte bei allen nach 1970 Geborenen mit unklarem Impfschutz, keiner Impfung oder nur einer Impfung in der Kindheit ab 18 Jahren zusätzlich eine Masern-Impfung erfolgen.

Ältere Menschen über 60 Jahre sollten sich zudem gegen Pneumokokken, Grippe (Influenza) und Gürtelrose (Herpes zoster) immunisieren lassen.
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The current vaccine is causing anti-body mediated viral enhancement, which has happened for all coronaviruses.

Sars-Co-V2 is not comparable with other Coronavirusses which cause a cold. Let me compare it with snakes. Snakes are harmless - except they are very big (constrictors) or very toxic.

Vaccines allow the virus to be come worse than it would with native infection.

A NATIVE INFECTION WITH COVID-19 IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS IN AVERAGE THAN ANY VACCINATION.

75% of symptomatic COVID cases in Cape Cod were of fully-vaccinated individuals.

That's impossible. We had by the way to arrest in Germany a nurse who destroyed vaccines and vaccinated instead with saline solution. Because she said nothing to her heavy crime we had to revaccinate in a worst case scenario about 8500 people.

Therefore vaccinated and unvaccinated should be treated equally. Vaccinated individuals are shedding virus.

If so then everyone shoud try to get immediatelly a vaccination against Covid-19.

The vaccines don't do exactly what you want them to do. These summer outbreaks are unusual, and being driven by the vaccinated.

People who had COVID get no benefit at all from vaccination,

It's more than only stupid to say this. The vast majorite in intensive care in hospitals are not vaccinated.

and they get reactions to the vaccines at four to six times the previously uninfected.

What's wrong with you? Why do you spread such a stupid deadly nonsense?

Everything we are doing is wrong and unscientific.

Exactly. Everything what you said here is wrong and has nothing to do with real science.

 

[zaangalewa]

No, the data is clear now. Look at all the most heavily vaccinated countries and regions. Anywhere from 40%-60% (100% for Gibraltar) of their new COVID patients are fully vaccinated(see Israel, UK, Iceland). Massachusetts has the 2nd highest vaccination rate in the states and is at 48% (as of 2 weeks ago) of their new patients are fully vaccinated. These numbers aren’t including those who already have already recovered and have naturally immunity (which actually works agains the delta).

Folks, none of this should be a surprise. I’ve started a couple threads on this subject. We’ve never made a vaccine for this type of rapidly mutating RNA virus

It is extremely slowly mutating. The problem: It exist much too many from this virusses. The solution: Worldwide vaccinations and reduction of the number of virusses before a virus mutates and starts to be resistent against immunisations.

for this exact reason. By the time a vaccine is made and distributed, it will become old news. This is what we’re seeing

 

[zaangalewa]

Good post, but a slight correction is I hate when people say "mutates".
Mutations are totally random damage, like from radiation.
Almost all mutations are dead, and it would take on the order of a million years for one to accidentally be viable and better.
That can not happen in life times.
What can happen in life time spans are 2 possibilities.
One is that variants already long existed, but natural selection pulls some of them into the vast majority.
The other is that it is more like hybridization, where more than one virus injects its RNA into the same cell nucleus, and they combine.
Both should not be called "mutation".

The correct expressions is "variants" - not mutations. But the problem is the same. It's an elementary change. The # of virusses have to be drastically reduced. And in case of such a piece of chemical virus structure without any feelings and intentions I had no problem to reduce it to zero - if possible to do so.

Since you understand the vax is just a spike protein, imagine if it accidentally taught the immune system to start to attack the spike protein of our own exosomes?

?

 

[sakinago]

Rigby5

There is almost zero risk to getting vaccinated. Whereas at least 624,000 people in the U.S. have died from the coronavirus so far. Though a little while back when it was "only" 600K, according the the University if Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluations, the number was closer to 900,000. (If not a little more) The coronavirus is at least 3 times deadlier than the flu. If not for our advanced medical technology, it's hard to say how many people would be dead by now. As a percentage of our population, no doubt the death toll without that advanced medical technology would have made the death toll in the U.S. during the 1918-1919 Spanish flu outbreak seem like small potatoes in comparison.

Also, people have been doing vaccines for a long time. It was way back in 1885 that Louis Pasteur came up with a rabies vaccine. And the science behind vaccines has improved ever since. Trust the vaccine. Trust what the doctors are saying. Get the vaccine.

Idiot, you need to stop talking. What your saying applies to standard vaccines. This is not a standard vaccine with an inactive/dead virus. The whole safety of this vaccine hinges on the is the hope it does not leave the injection site. These vaccines work by telling your cells protein factory’s to make the spike protein of the virus. This is the very same spike protein that is cytotoxic, causing the inflammation and micro clotting that some a vulnerable too. Big pharma did a half ass job (on purpose, they used they wrong test) at making sure the spike proteins don’t travel. They do. We know that for a fact. This is why the adverse events look a lot like a COVID infection.

So, these vaccines give people the worst part of COVID, and only provide a very narrow immunity strictly to the spike protein, not to the entire virus like natural immunity does. This is a problem because with this type of rapidly mutating RNA virus, all the virus has to do to beat the vaccine is change its spike protein. Which is why the vaccines are now failing. They are no longer providing immunity, nor do they prevent person to person infection.

Here’s the VAERS data.

COVID Vaccine Landing

VAERS

www.openvaers.com

 

[sakinago]

You’ve never heard of PNAS?

Seriously?

Nope. Do you wish to give us the scientific explanation on why this virus, like none before it, somehow has the ability to spread asymptomatically? Idk I guess the body doesn’t detect or fight off an infection raging enough to be shedding, but somehow no symptoms or damage shows up? As nonsensical that is, that’d be your best answer.

 

[sakinago]

It is extremely slowly mutating. The problem: It exist much too many from this virusses. The solution: Worldwide vaccinations and reduction of the number of virusses before a virus mutates and starts to be resistent against immunisations.

You’re just pulling shit out of your ass now. Why are RNA virus mutation rates so damn high?
You sound like a kid telling their parents how to drive, and that they should have their left foot on the break, and right foot on the gas. You do not know what you’re talking about.

That’s literally the first link that comes up. On top of that...THE VACCINE HAS ALREADY FAILED. Are you not paying attention to what’s happening???? Clearly your not. There’s already been over 2,000 confirmed strains, probably at least hundreds of thousands that aren’t confirmed. The virus was always going to escape the vaccine. This is just how viral/micro evolution works. You put a mass evolutionary pressure on something that multiplies and mutates as fast a microorganisms, the mutation that’s resistant will rise to the top. You over-treat with methicillin, you get methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus(MRSA).

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Idiot, you need to stop talking. What your saying applies to standard vaccines. This is not a standard vaccine with an inactive/dead virus. The whole safety of this vaccine hinges on the is the hope it does not leave the injection site. These vaccines work by telling your cells protein factory’s to make the spike protein of the virus. This is the very same spike protein that is cytotoxic, causing the inflammation and micro clotting that some a vulnerable too. Big pharma did a half ass job (on purpose, they used they wrong test) at making sure the spike proteins don’t travel. They do. We know that for a fact. This is why the adverse events look a lot like a COVID infection.

So, these vaccines give people the worst part of COVID, and only provide a very narrow immunity strictly to the spike protein, not to the entire virus like natural immunity does. This is a problem because with this type of rapidly mutating RNA virus, all the virus has to do to beat the vaccine is change its spike protein. Which is why the vaccines are now failing. They are no longer providing immunity, nor do they prevent person to person infection.

Here’s the VAERS data.

COVID Vaccine Landing

VAERS

www.openvaers.com

Your source is bullshit. It is a manipulation of actual CDC data

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[sakinago]

Your source is bullshit. It is a manipulation of actual CDC data

OpenVaers - Bias and Credibility

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mediabiasfactcheck.com

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They. Download. Their. Data. Directly. From. The. CDC. There is no manipulation. You just don’t have to go in and select all the necessary booleans. The CDC VAERS database is notoriously hard to use, and extremely clunky. Worse than pubmed. They literally make no political statements whatsoever. Just data. How they can be claimed as right wing is insane. I guess the CDC is right wing too.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Vaccinations change a lot. Here in Germany we use a calendar for vaccainations (the dates are not so important. If a child is sick feels not well then it's not any problem to make a vaccination later). I do not translate this now - except it is important for the understanding.

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2-11 month:

Laut Impfkommission sollten Kinder im ersten Lebensjahr gegen Diphterie (D/d), Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap), Tetanus (T), Haemophilus influenza Typ b (Hib), Hepatitis B (HB), Kinderlähmung (Poliomyelitis, IPV), Pneumokokken und gegen Rotaviren geimpft werden. Die Grundimmunisierung sollte ab dem 2. Lebensmonat beginnen und bei Erreichen des 12. Lebensmonats abgeschlossen sein.

Eine Impfung gegen Grippe (Influenza) empfiehlt die STIKO trotz der zahlreichen Debatten in jüngster Zeit als Standard-Impfung bislang nur für Personen über 60 Jahre.
(=A vaccination against flu (infkuenza) ... is recommened from the STIKO only for person over 60 years.)

11-15th month:

Ab dem ersten Lebensjahr empfiehlt die STIKO Impfungen gegen Masern, Mumps und Röteln (MMR), Meningokokken sowie Windpocken (Varizellen). (=measels, mumps, rubella, meningococcals, chicken pox)

Da Masern meistens erst im Erwachsenenalter Komplikationen verursachen, raten impfkritische Ärzte, Kinder erst im Schulalter impfen zu lassen. Am Ende des 2. Lebensjahres wird eine vollständige Überprüfung des Impfstatus unbedingt empfohlen.

5-6 years:

Die Impfungen gegen Diphterie (D/d), Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) und Tetanus (T) müssen zweimal aufgefrischt werden: das erste Mal im Alter von 5 - 6 Jahren, das zweite Mal im Alter zwischen 9 und 16 Jahren.

9-16 years

Hepatitis B, weitere Auffrischungen

Kinderlähmung (Poliomyelitis, IPV) wird zum ersten Mal, Diphterie (D/d), Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) und Tetanus (T) zum zweiten Mal aufgefrischt.

Erwachsenen empfiehlt die STIKO alle 10 Jahre die Auffrischung der Tetanus- und Diphterieimpfung. Die erste dieser Auffrischungen sollte zusätzlich mit einer Auffrischung der Immunisierung gegen Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) verbunden sein. Außerdem sollte bei allen nach 1970 Geborenen mit unklarem Impfschutz, keiner Impfung oder nur einer Impfung in der Kindheit ab 18 Jahren zusätzlich eine Masern-Impfung erfolgen.

Ältere Menschen über 60 Jahre sollten sich zudem gegen Pneumokokken, Grippe (Influenza) und Gürtelrose (Herpes zoster) immunisieren lassen. Ist im Säuglingsstadium keine Grundimmunisierung gegen Hepatitis B (HB) vorgenommen worden, kann diese nun ebenfalls erfolgen. Mädchen und Jungen im Alter von 9 bis 14 Jahren sollten gegen Humane Papilloma-Viren (HPV können Krebs verursachen) immunisiert werden. Auch die Immunisierung gegen Windpocken (Varizellen) sollte überprüft werden.


18 years :

ab 18 Jahre​

Auffrischungen und Impfungen für Erwachsene

Erwachsenen empfiehlt die STIKO alle 10 Jahre die Auffrischung der Tetanus- und Diphterieimpfung. Die erste dieser Auffrischungen sollte zusätzlich mit einer Auffrischung der Immunisierung gegen Keuchhusten (Pertussis, aP/ap) verbunden sein. Außerdem sollte bei allen nach 1970 Geborenen mit unklarem Impfschutz, keiner Impfung oder nur einer Impfung in der Kindheit ab 18 Jahren zusätzlich eine Masern-Impfung erfolgen.

Ältere Menschen über 60 Jahre sollten sich zudem gegen Pneumokokken, Grippe (Influenza) und Gürtelrose (Herpes zoster) immunisieren lassen.
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Sars-Co-V2 is not comparable with other Coronavirusses which cause a cold. Let me compare it with snakes. Snakes are harmless - except they are very big (constrictors) or very toxic.



A NATIVE INFECTION WITH COVID-19 IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS IN AVERAGE THAN ANY VACCINATION.



That's impossible. We had by the way to arrest in Germany a nurse who destroyed vaccines and vaccinated instead with saline solution. Because she said nothing to her heavy crime we had to revaccinate in a worst case scenario about 8500 people.





If so then everyone shoud try to get immediatelly a vaccination against Covid-19.



It's more than only stupid to say this. The vast majorite in intensive care in hospitals are not vaccinated.



What's wrong with you? Why do you spread such a stupid deadly nonsense?



Exactly. Everything what you said here is wrong and has nothing to do with real science.

Read and comprehend. Learn something...

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198&type=printable

 

[zaangalewa]

You’re just pulling shit out of your ass now.

One moment - did you now say to me "Du pobelst Scheiße aus deinem Hintern"? What a luck that you are not a German. You would be dead now and I would be in prison.

Why are RNA virus mutation rates so damn high?

The mutation rate of influenza is high - the mutation rate of Corona-2 is low. But it exist much too many Corona-2 virusses, so also dangerous variants came.

You sound like a kid telling their parents how to drive,

Never one of my kids tried to tell me how I have to drive.

and that they should have their left foot on the break, and right foot on the gas. You do not know what you’re talking about.

Sigh. When will you come to the point "best behavior under the pressure of a pandemic"?

That’s literally the first link that comes up. On top of that...THE VACCINE HAS ALREADY FAILED.

Not here in Germany - everything works meanwhile much better than we feared - thanks of vaccinations.

Are you not paying attention to what’s happening???? Clearly your not. There’s already been over 2,000 confirmed strains, probably at least hundreds of thousands that aren’t confirmed. The virus was always going to escape the vaccine.

That's nonsense. Who is vaccinated has best chances to survive.

This is just how viral/micro evolution works.

No - this is not how evolution works. A virus which not fits dies. So a virsus which lands on a stone will die (worst scenario for the virus) . And a virus which will land in a human being will produce descendents (best scenario for the virus.).

Here specially: A virus will produce much less descdendents if the immune system is ready to fight = if someone is vaccinated. So the not vaccinated people take take care for a higher number of virusses - and more possibilities for mutations.

You put a mass evolutionary pressure on something that multiplies and mutates as fast a microorganisms, the mutation that’s resistant will rise to the top. You over-treat with methicillin, you get methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus(MRSA).

You are simplifying evolution. In my example it's clear that a virus never will be able to infect a stone. And you said on your own very clear an "over-treat with methicillin" caused resistance in case of some bacteriae. Short: The existence of an immune system and a training of an immune system (=vaccination) is not able to be an "over-treat". The best is everyone is vaccinated, then the virusses will have not any chance to reproduce themselve any longer. The less virusses exist the lower is the danger of mutations or variants. The lower the speed of vaccinations the worse.

 

[zaangalewa]

Read and comprehend. Learn something...

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens

I deleted your link and did not read this in-depth because to say so is totally stupid. A vaccination trains the own immune system - an immune system produces no virulent pathogens. And an imperfect vaccination is just simple not so powerful as it could be - but even this is always better than to do nothing. The most dangerous way is the "vaccination" with the active deadly virus itselve.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

They. Download. Their. Data. Directly. From. The. CDC. There is no manipulation. You just don’t have to go in and select all the necessary booleans. The CDC VAERS database is notoriously hard to use, and extremely clunky. Worse than pubmed. They literally make no political statements whatsoever. Just data. How they can be claimed as right wing is insane. I guess the CDC is right wing too.

They publish selective data from the CDC showing the rae number of adverse reactions that were reported but fail to point out that a vast niumber of people have gotten the vaxx with no reaction which results in a very low percentage of reactions

Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

Protect yourself by getting vaccinated. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. Serious safety problems are rare and long-term side effects unlikely (150)

www.cdc.gov