USS Liberty

LOL! Well, I figured you and JoeB131, aka Jihad Joe, were two peas in a pod!

And I'm not surprised that you side with the tiny minority who believe Israel purposely attacked the USS Liberty, never mind that no one has yet come up with a credible, logical motive, and never mind that every official investigation has concluded the attack was a tragic case of friendly fire, and never mind, as I proved to Jihad Joe, that there have been even worse cases of friendly fire.

I'm curious: Do you also believe the 9/11 Truther conspiracy theory about 9/11, i.e., that the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions planted before the attack, and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile and not by an airliner?
You seem to lack common sense. It's painfully obvious that the attack on the Liberty was not accidental, and that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. In order to understand those things one must have an open and curious mind. It appears you do not have either.
 
It's painfully obvious that the attack on the Liberty was not accidental, and that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.
I am curious. Explain how Demolitions got up into the Tower despite the buildings having security forces at all times? It would take a lot of men walking packages up. And why doesn't the FBI think that same thing? Why were there no reports of explosions? There are films of the airplanes hitting the towers. Why make up stories?
 
You seem to lack common sense. It's painfully obvious that the attack on the Liberty was not accidental, and that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. In order to understand those things one must have an open and curious mind. It appears you do not have either.


Thank you for that.

Unfortunately, Critical Literacy is in short supply especially among those too lazy to either think for themselves or look beyond our pro Israel MSM.

I don't know of a single honest and rational person who is familiar with Israel's deliberate attack on our USS Liberty with orders to leave no survivors that believes that it was an "accident.

No military "accidentally" deploys unmarked aircraft like the Israelis did that day.

No military "accidentally" strafes lowered life rafts at close range and then hangs the remains in a nautical museum as a trophy.

No ethical military targets medics and he wounded on an unarmed, "allied" ship.

Finally, an ethical Israeli pilot who immediately identified the Liberty as an American ship refused to participate in this murderous and criminal betrayal.

"Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED

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What is most disturbing is the cowardly treason of LBJ and his advisors in recalling American fighter planes sent to rescue the Liberty:


“I don’t give a damn if the ship sinks and all the Americans are killed. I will not embarrass my ally.”
- Lyndon Johnson,

"Remembering the U.S.S. Liberty — June 8 1967 [2020]"​



Anyone who doubts the influence that America's infestation of Zionist lobbies has over the highest levels of US Government has this act of treason as only one of countless examples.


Thanks again,
 
No military "accidentally" deploys unmarked aircraft like the Israelis did that day.
If the planes were not marked, why did you say they came from Israel? I think this really is not about the Liberty at all but all about hate of Israel.
 
If the planes were not marked, why did you say they came from Israel? I think this really is not about the Liberty at all but all about hate of Israel.


No, the sentiments of an American toward Israel's deliberate attempt to sink our USS Liberty and murder all survivors is a sort of loyalty litmus test.

Those who have served America in combat and whose first loyalty is to the U.S. are repulsed by treacherous and parasitic foreign governments who deliberately murder wounded American G.I.s and repeatedly betray America.(1)

On the other hand, America is infested with parasitic and traitorous "Israel Firsters" who are only in the US for the sake of extorting additional $ Trillions for "Greater Israel" and sending loyal, young Americans to die for Zionist genocide and Israeli regional hegemony.

As I have made clear in previous comments:
I do not hate Israel or Israel's rational and peace seeking citizens who also oppose counterproductive Zionist genocide and expansionism.

I, like most loyal Americans, strongly oppose Israel's parasitic and genocidal Zionists who manipulate and deceive America to achieve Zionist nuclear regional hegemony and steal even more Arab land.

Israel's deliberate attempt to murder 294 fellow American G.I.s (2) was not the first time that Israeli war mongers attacked and destroyed an American target to dupe America into destroying Egypt for them.

In an earlier False Flag deception, The Lavon Affair (3), Israeli agents fire bombed an American installation in an effort to deceive Americans into attack Egypt in 1954.

As usual, the Israeli government and its global army of traitorous Zionist Quislings dismissed this Israeli False Flag betrayal as the work of "anti Semites" (aka "Israel haters") until proof became irrefutable.

The reason that Israel's deliberate, criminal and cowardly False Flag betrayal remains as relevant today as it was then is that it, along with countless other betrayals, reveals the degree to which Israeli lobbies and traitorous "Israel Firsters"dominate US Foreign policy to America's severe detriment.

As much earlier Americans have observed:
It is America's enemies from within that are a far greater threat than those far away.

Finally, when an American president is so fearful of "embarrassing" a foreign government that he is complicit in the deliberate murder of American G.I.s, that government is your greatest threat.

“I don’t give a damn if the ship sinks and all the Americans are killed. I will not embarrass my ally.”
- Lyndon Johnson, (4)






(1) "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED


(2). "NEW EVIDENCE PROVES ISRAEL ATTACKED USS LIBERTY WITH ORDERS TO KILL 294 AMERICANS"


(3). "THE LAVON AFFAIR IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF?"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

EXCERPT "In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Egyptian Muslims as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.

Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites".

But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing."CONTINUED


(4). "Remembering the U.S.S. Liberty — June 8 1967 [2020]"
 
No, the sentiments of an American toward Israel's deliberate attempt to sink our USS Liberty and murder all survivors is a sort of loyalty litmus test.

Those who have served America in combat and whose first loyalty is to the U.S. are repulsed by treacherous and parasitic foreign governments who deliberately murder wounded American G.I.s and repeatedly betray America.(1)

On the other hand, America is infested with parasitic and traitorous "Israel Firsters" who are only in the US for the sake of extorting additional $ Trillions for "Greater Israel" and sending loyal, young Americans to die for Zionist genocide and Israeli regional hegemony.

As I have made clear in previous comments:
I do not hate Israel or Israel's rational and peace seeking citizens who also oppose counterproductive Zionist genocide and expansionism.

I, like most loyal Americans, strongly oppose Israel's parasitic and genocidal Zionists who manipulate and deceive America to achieve Zionist nuclear regional hegemony and steal even more Arab land.

Israel's deliberate attempt to murder 294 fellow American G.I.s (2) was not the first time that Israeli war mongers attacked and destroyed an American target to dupe America into destroying Egypt for them.

In an earlier False Flag deception, The Lavon Affair (3), Israeli agents fire bombed an American installation in an effort to deceive Americans into attack Egypt in 1954.

As usual, the Israeli government and its global army of traitorous Zionist Quislings dismissed this Israeli False Flag betrayal as the work of "anti Semites" (aka "Israel haters") until proof became irrefutable.

The reason that Israel's deliberate, criminal and cowardly False Flag betrayal remains as relevant today as it was then is that it, along with countless other betrayals, reveals the degree to which Israeli lobbies and traitorous "Israel Firsters"dominate US Foreign policy to America's severe detriment.

As much earlier Americans have observed:
It is America's enemies from within that are a far greater threat than those far away.

Finally, when an American president is so fearful of "embarrassing" a foreign government that he is complicit in the deliberate murder of American G.I.s, that government is your greatest threat.

“I don’t give a damn if the ship sinks and all the Americans are killed. I will not embarrass my ally.”
- Lyndon Johnson, (4)






(1) "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED


(2). "NEW EVIDENCE PROVES ISRAEL ATTACKED USS LIBERTY WITH ORDERS TO KILL 294 AMERICANS"


(3). "THE LAVON AFFAIR IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF?"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

EXCERPT "In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Egyptian Muslims as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.

Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites".

But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing."CONTINUED


(4). "Remembering the U.S.S. Liberty — June 8 1967 [2020]"
You forgot to talk about this claim:
If the planes were not marked, why did you say they came from Israel?
 
You forgot to talk about this claim:
If the planes were not marked, why did you say they came from Israel?


I didn't forget to answer your question because I didn't think that you were serious.

Why not ask: "How do you know that the unmarked plains weren't aliens?"


Think.

What other country in the region would join the Israelis in an attack on an American ship?
 
I didn't forget to answer your question because I didn't think that you were serious.

Why not ask: "How do you know that the unmarked plains weren't aliens?"


Think.

What other country in the region would join the Israelis in an attack on an American ship?
My imagination is not wild. I seek facts. I don't see why this happened to begin with.
 
No, the sentiments of an American toward Israel's deliberate attempt to sink our USS Liberty and murder all survivors is a sort of loyalty litmus test.
Times and attitudes and friends and allies change.

Otherwise we would still be at-war with the UK and Germany and France and Japan and Italy and Vietnam et al.

Whoever in the IDF who made that bone-headed call was wrong and our boys on that ship paid with lives and limbs.

Israel and the US have long-since kissed and made-up; we're fast friends now and firm allies.

The days of using the USS Liberty incident to (try and fail to) influence current American foreign policy are long gone.

Nice try.

Not.


Death to Hamas.

Death to Hezbollah.

Go Team Israel.


israel-flag-4.gif
 
They can't be Marxists. The basis of Marxism is the destruction of private ownership of the means of production. Without that, it's not Marxism. Do you think the forces of finance capital behind the liberals are striving for that?
The nation of Israel was started by oligarchs. Allegedly for the future safety of the jewish people.

This raises some interesting questions.

Why wasn't the land and property simply returned to the survivors of the war?

Because the Nazis were a hyper capitalistic nationalist society supported by the majority of American, and British oligarchs?

We have had a military presence in Europe since the end of the war. The jewish people had the protection they would have need to rebuild.

Why did the Marshall Plan involve using the same corporations to rebuild after the war, that were Hitlers biggest supporters?

Why was all of the stolen treasure hidden in Switzerland, not returned to it’s rightful owners that survived the war, or their surviving family members?

And why was Switzerland not punished for allowing this to happen, hiding behind “neutrality”? An entire country of oligarchs.

Why were German oligarchs brought to the US under secretive means, and given a pass for their support of the Holocaust?
 
Times and attitudes and friends and allies change.

Otherwise we would still be at-war with the UK and Germany and France and Japan and Italy and Vietnam et al.

Whoever in the IDF who made that bone-headed call was wrong and our boys on that ship paid with lives and limbs.

Israel and the US have long-since kissed and made-up; we're fast friends now and firm allies.

The days of using the USS Liberty incident to (try and fail to) influence current American foreign policy are long gone.

Nice try.

Not.


Death to Hamas.

Death to Hezbollah.

Go Team Israel.


israel-flag-4.gif


A man can only be loyal to one country.

Which is yours?

Why chose a government of back stabbing parasites that STILL betray America?


Israel must never be compared to Nazi ...
 
No, the sentiments of an American toward Israel's deliberate attempt to sink our USS Liberty and murder all survivors is a sort of loyalty litmus test.

Those who have served America in combat and whose first loyalty is to the U.S. are repulsed by treacherous and parasitic foreign governments who deliberately murder wounded American G.I.s and repeatedly betray America.(1)

On the other hand, America is infested with parasitic and traitorous "Israel Firsters" who are only in the US for the sake of extorting additional $ Trillions for "Greater Israel" and sending loyal, young Americans to die for Zionist genocide and Israeli regional hegemony.

As I have made clear in previous comments:
I do not hate Israel or Israel's rational and peace seeking citizens who also oppose counterproductive Zionist genocide and expansionism.

I, like most loyal Americans, strongly oppose Israel's parasitic and genocidal Zionists who manipulate and deceive America to achieve Zionist nuclear regional hegemony and steal even more Arab land.

Israel's deliberate attempt to murder 294 fellow American G.I.s (2) was not the first time that Israeli war mongers attacked and destroyed an American target to dupe America into destroying Egypt for them.

In an earlier False Flag deception, The Lavon Affair (3), Israeli agents fire bombed an American installation in an effort to deceive Americans into attack Egypt in 1954.

As usual, the Israeli government and its global army of traitorous Zionist Quislings dismissed this Israeli False Flag betrayal as the work of "anti Semites" (aka "Israel haters") until proof became irrefutable.

The reason that Israel's deliberate, criminal and cowardly False Flag betrayal remains as relevant today as it was then is that it, along with countless other betrayals, reveals the degree to which Israeli lobbies and traitorous "Israel Firsters"dominate US Foreign policy to America's severe detriment.

As much earlier Americans have observed:
It is America's enemies from within that are a far greater threat than those far away.

Finally, when an American president is so fearful of "embarrassing" a foreign government that he is complicit in the deliberate murder of American G.I.s, that government is your greatest threat.

“I don’t give a damn if the ship sinks and all the Americans are killed. I will not embarrass my ally.”
- Lyndon Johnson, (4)






(1) "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED


(2). "NEW EVIDENCE PROVES ISRAEL ATTACKED USS LIBERTY WITH ORDERS TO KILL 294 AMERICANS"


(3). "THE LAVON AFFAIR IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF?"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

EXCERPT "In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Egyptian Muslims as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.

Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites".

But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing."CONTINUED


(4). "Remembering the U.S.S. Liberty — June 8 1967 [2020]"

284. Intelligence Memorandum Prepared in the Central Intelligence Agency​

SC No. 01415/67
Washington, June 13, 1967.
THE ISRAELI ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY

The US Naval technical research ship Liberty was attacked by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats off the Sinai Peninsula on 8 June. The following account of the circumstances of the attack has been compiled from all available sources.

1. The Liberty reported at 9:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. Washington time) on 8 June that it had been orbited by two delta-wing jet fighters, presumably Israeli Mirages. At 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) the Liberty was strafed by unidentified jet aircraft. The Liberty apparently was not able to establish communications with other units of the US Sixth Fleet during the air attack, and the first information available to the US commanders was after the subsequent attack by unidentified torpedo boats, which occurred at 3:25 p.m.

2. At 4:11 p.m. (9:11 a.m.) the US Commander in Chief, Europe, notified the National Military Command Center in Washington that the Liberty was under attack and was listing to starboard after being struck by a torpedo. The Commander of the US Sixth Fleet declared the attacking units hostile and sent attack aircraft from the carriers America and Saratoga to protect the Liberty. A good part of the ship’s communications equipment was destroyed by the crew during the attack but emergency communications were soon established with the Saratoga and with the naval communications station in Greece. Because of the tenseness of the situation and the communications delays, the initial reports from the Liberty were sketchy and somewhat confusing.

Specifics of the Attack

3. According to these reports, however, the sequence of events took place as follows. The ship was attacked at 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) by [Page 470]unidentified jet fighters, believed to be Israeli, at position 31–35N, 33–29E. Six strafing runs were made by the jets. Twenty minutes later three torpedo boats closed at high speed and two of them launched torpedoes after first circling the Liberty. One torpedo passed astern, and the other struck the starboard side of the ship in the spaces occupied by the SIGINT collectors. One of the boats was later identified as Israeli and the hull number of one unit was noted as 206–T. Some 50 minutes later two Israeli helicopters arrived on the scene.

Israeli Identification of the Ship

4. None of the communications of the attacking aircraft and torpedo boats is available, but the intercepted conversations between the helicopter pilots and the control tower at Hatzor (near Tel Aviv) leave little doubt that the Israelis failed to identify the Liberty as a US ship before or during the attack. Control told (helicopter) 815 at 3:31 p.m. (8:31 a.m.) that “there is a warship there which we attacked. The men jumped into the water from it. You will try to rescue them.” Although there were other references to a search for the men in the water and although US units later searched the area, no survivors were recovered from the sea, nor were there any indications that any of the 22 missing personnel from the Liberty had been lost overboard.

5. A subsequent message from the control tower to the helicopter identified the ship as Egyptian and told the pilot to return home. Although the Liberty is some 200 feet longer than the Egyptian transport El Quesir, it could easily be mistaken for the latter vessel by an overzealous pilot. Both ships have similar hulls and arrangements of masts and stack.

6. The weather was clear in the area of attack, the Liberty’s hull number (GTR 5) was prominently displayed, and an American flag was flying. The helicopter pilot was then urgently requested to identify the survivors as Egyptian or English speaking (this being the first indication that the Israelis suspected they may have attacked a neutral ship). The helicopter pilot reported seeing an American flag on the Liberty. In another intercept between an unidentified Israeli controller and the helicopter number 815, the pilot reported that number GTR 5 was written on the ship’s side. The controller told the pilot the number had no significance.

7. Thus it was not until 4:12 p.m. (9:12 a.m.) that the Israelis became convinced that the Liberty was American. This was about 44 minutes after the last attack on the ship and the attack had apparently been called off, not because the ship had been identified, but because it seemed to be sinking. (The US Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv reports that Israeli helicopters and the three torpedo boats searched the area until 6:04 p.m. (11:04 a.m.).) The Israeli offer of assistance was declined [Page 471]because of the sensitive mission of the ship. According to US Navy reports, the ship was saved only through the efforts of her crew.

Damage and Personnel Losses

8. The ship suffered heavy material and personnel casualties. A hole estimated to be 39 feet wide at the bottom and 24 feet wide at the top near the waterline was opened by a torpedo. The ship is flooded below the second deck between frames 52 and 78 (36-inch frame spacing). The crew carried out emergency destruction of classified communications and radar equipment, but the ship’s engineering plant is intact. Several flash fires and cannon holes throughout the superstructure caused some minor damage and the ship’s motor whale boat and virtually all of its life rafts were lost. Personnel casualties include 10 killed, 90 wounded, and 22 missing, most of whom were probably trapped in the flooded compartments. The wounded and the dead have been removed from the ship and some additional crew members put aboard. The ship is expected to arrive in Malta on 14 June for dry docking and hull repairs. Security precautions are being taken to protect the classified intercept equipment in the flooded spaces. The US Navy has convened a board of inquiry to look into the incident.
 
A man can only be loyal to one country.

Which is yours?

Why chose a government of back stabbing parasites that STILL betray America?


Israel must never be compared to Nazi ...
First of all, several jet fighter pilots started the attack in the afternoon. The US did not identify whose planes they were.
Torpedo boats of which one was later identified as Israel's did the major damage to the ship. They blew a huge hole in the ship.

Our CIA wrote this up.

284. Intelligence Memorandum Prepared in the Central Intelligence Agency​

SC No. 01415/67
Washington, June 13, 1967.
THE ISRAELI ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY

The US Naval technical research ship Liberty was attacked by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats off the Sinai Peninsula on 8 June. The following account of the circumstances of the attack has been compiled from all available sources.

1. The Liberty reported at 9:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. Washington time) on 8 June that it had been orbited by two delta-wing jet fighters, presumably Israeli Mirages. At 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) the Liberty was strafed by unidentified jet aircraft. The Liberty apparently was not able to establish communications with other units of the US Sixth Fleet during the air attack, and the first information available to the US commanders was after the subsequent attack by unidentified torpedo boats, which occurred at 3:25 p.m.

2. At 4:11 p.m. (9:11 a.m.) the US Commander in Chief, Europe, notified the National Military Command Center in Washington that the Liberty was under attack and was listing to starboard after being struck by a torpedo. The Commander of the US Sixth Fleet declared the attacking units hostile and sent attack aircraft from the carriers America and Saratoga to protect the Liberty. A good part of the ship’s communications equipment was destroyed by the crew during the attack but emergency communications were soon established with the Saratoga and with the naval communications station in Greece. Because of the tenseness of the situation and the communications delays, the initial reports from the Liberty were sketchy and somewhat confusing.

Specifics of the Attack

3. According to these reports, however, the sequence of events took place as follows. The ship was attacked at 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) by [Page 470]unidentified jet fighters, believed to be Israeli, at position 31–35N, 33–29E. Six strafing runs were made by the jets. Twenty minutes later three torpedo boats closed at high speed and two of them launched torpedoes after first circling the Liberty. One torpedo passed astern, and the other struck the starboard side of the ship in the spaces occupied by the SIGINT collectors. One of the boats was later identified as Israeli and the hull number of one unit was noted as 206–T. Some 50 minutes later two Israeli helicopters arrived on the scene.

Israeli Identification of the Ship

4. None of the communications of the attacking aircraft and torpedo boats is available, but the intercepted conversations between the helicopter pilots and the control tower at Hatzor (near Tel Aviv) leave little doubt that the Israelis failed to identify the Liberty as a US ship before or during the attack. Control told (helicopter) 815 at 3:31 p.m. (8:31 a.m.) that “there is a warship there which we attacked. The men jumped into the water from it. You will try to rescue them.” Although there were other references to a search for the men in the water and although US units later searched the area, no survivors were recovered from the sea, nor were there any indications that any of the 22 missing personnel from the Liberty had been lost overboard.

5. A subsequent message from the control tower to the helicopter identified the ship as Egyptian and told the pilot to return home. Although the Liberty is some 200 feet longer than the Egyptian transport El Quesir, it could easily be mistaken for the latter vessel by an overzealous pilot. Both ships have similar hulls and arrangements of masts and stack.

6. The weather was clear in the area of attack, the Liberty’s hull number (GTR 5) was prominently displayed, and an American flag was flying. The helicopter pilot was then urgently requested to identify the survivors as Egyptian or English speaking (this being the first indication that the Israelis suspected they may have attacked a neutral ship). The helicopter pilot reported seeing an American flag on the Liberty. In another intercept between an unidentified Israeli controller and the helicopter number 815, the pilot reported that number GTR 5 was written on the ship’s side. The controller told the pilot the number had no significance.

7. Thus it was not until 4:12 p.m. (9:12 a.m.) that the Israelis became convinced that the Liberty was American. This was about 44 minutes after the last attack on the ship and the attack had apparently been called off, not because the ship had been identified, but because it seemed to be sinking. (The US Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv reports that Israeli helicopters and the three torpedo boats searched the area until 6:04 p.m. (11:04 a.m.).) The Israeli offer of assistance was declined [Page 471]because of the sensitive mission of the ship. According to US Navy reports, the ship was saved only through the efforts of her crew.

Damage and Personnel Losses

8. The ship suffered heavy material and personnel casualties. A hole estimated to be 39 feet wide at the bottom and 24 feet wide at the top near the waterline was opened by a torpedo. The ship is flooded below the second deck between frames 52 and 78 (36-inch frame spacing). The crew carried out emergency destruction of classified communications and radar equipment, but the ship’s engineering plant is intact. Several flash fires and cannon holes throughout the superstructure caused some minor damage and the ship’s motor whale boat and virtually all of its life rafts were lost. Personnel casualties include 10 killed, 90 wounded, and 22 missing, most of whom were probably trapped in the flooded compartments. The wounded and the dead have been removed from the ship and some additional crew members put aboard. The ship is expected to arrive in Malta on 14 June for dry docking and hull repairs. Security precautions are being taken to protect the classified intercept equipment in the flooded spaces. The US Navy has convened a board of inquiry to look into the incident.
 
A man can only be loyal to one country.

Which is yours?
Which is mine?

The United States of America.

In 2025... the good friend and firm ally of the State of Israel.
Why chose a government of back stabbing parasites that STILL betray America?
Sit down, Muzzie a$$-ki$$er... nobody (who counts) is listening to you any longer. :itsok:
 

284. Intelligence Memorandum Prepared in the Central Intelligence Agency

SC No. 01415/67
Washington, June 13, 1967.
THE ISRAELI ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY

The US Naval technical research ship Liberty was attacked by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats off the Sinai Peninsula on 8 June. The following account of the circumstances of the attack has been compiled from all available sources.

1. The Liberty reported at 9:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. Washington time) on 8 June that it had been orbited by two delta-wing jet fighters, presumably Israeli Mirages. At 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) the Liberty was strafed by unidentified jet aircraft. The Liberty apparently was not able to establish communications with other units of the US Sixth Fleet during the air attack, and the first information available to the US commanders was after the subsequent attack by unidentified torpedo boats, which occurred at 3:25 p.m.

2. At 4:11 p.m. (9:11 a.m.) the US Commander in Chief, Europe, notified the National Military Command Center in Washington that the Liberty was under attack and was listing to starboard after being struck by a torpedo. The Commander of the US Sixth Fleet declared the attacking units hostile and sent attack aircraft from the carriers America and Saratoga to protect the Liberty. A good part of the ship’s communications equipment was destroyed by the crew during the attack but emergency communications were soon established with the Saratoga and with the naval communications station in Greece. Because of the tenseness of the situation and the communications delays, the initial reports from the Liberty were sketchy and somewhat confusing.

Specifics of the Attack

3. According to these reports, however, the sequence of events took place as follows. The ship was attacked at 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) by [Page 470]unidentified jet fighters, believed to be Israeli, at position 31–35N, 33–29E. Six strafing runs were made by the jets. Twenty minutes later three torpedo boats closed at high speed and two of them launched torpedoes after first circling the Liberty. One torpedo passed astern, and the other struck the starboard side of the ship in the spaces occupied by the SIGINT collectors. One of the boats was later identified as Israeli and the hull number of one unit was noted as 206–T. Some 50 minutes later two Israeli helicopters arrived on the scene.

Israeli Identification of the Ship

4. None of the communications of the attacking aircraft and torpedo boats is available, but the intercepted conversations between the helicopter pilots and the control tower at Hatzor (near Tel Aviv) leave little doubt that the Israelis failed to identify the Liberty as a US ship before or during the attack. Control told (helicopter) 815 at 3:31 p.m. (8:31 a.m.) that “there is a warship there which we attacked. The men jumped into the water from it. You will try to rescue them.” Although there were other references to a search for the men in the water and although US units later searched the area, no survivors were recovered from the sea, nor were there any indications that any of the 22 missing personnel from the Liberty had been lost overboard.

5. A subsequent message from the control tower to the helicopter identified the ship as Egyptian and told the pilot to return home. Although the Liberty is some 200 feet longer than the Egyptian transport El Quesir, it could easily be mistaken for the latter vessel by an overzealous pilot. Both ships have similar hulls and arrangements of masts and stack.

6. The weather was clear in the area of attack, the Liberty’s hull number (GTR 5) was prominently displayed, and an American flag was flying. The helicopter pilot was then urgently requested to identify the survivors as Egyptian or English speaking (this being the first indication that the Israelis suspected they may have attacked a neutral ship). The helicopter pilot reported seeing an American flag on the Liberty. In another intercept between an unidentified Israeli controller and the helicopter number 815, the pilot reported that number GTR 5 was written on the ship’s side. The controller told the pilot the number had no significance.

7. Thus it was not until 4:12 p.m. (9:12 a.m.) that the Israelis became convinced that the Liberty was American. This was about 44 minutes after the last attack on the ship and the attack had apparently been called off, not because the ship had been identified, but because it seemed to be sinking. (The US Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv reports that Israeli helicopters and the three torpedo boats searched the area until 6:04 p.m. (11:04 a.m.).) The Israeli offer of assistance was declined [Page 471]because of the sensitive mission of the ship. According to US Navy reports, the ship was saved only through the efforts of her crew.

Damage and Personnel Losses

8. The ship suffered heavy material and personnel casualties. A hole estimated to be 39 feet wide at the bottom and 24 feet wide at the top near the waterline was opened by a torpedo. The ship is flooded below the second deck between frames 52 and 78 (36-inch frame spacing). The crew carried out emergency destruction of classified communications and radar equipment, but the ship’s engineering plant is intact. Several flash fires and cannon holes throughout the superstructure caused some minor damage and the ship’s motor whale boat and virtually all of its life rafts were lost. Personnel casualties include 10 killed, 90 wounded, and 22 missing, most of whom were probably trapped in the flooded compartments. The wounded and the dead have been removed from the ship and some additional crew members put aboard. The ship is expected to arrive in Malta on 14 June for dry docking and hull repairs. Security precautions are being taken to protect the classified intercept equipment in the flooded spaces. The US Navy has convened a board of inquiry to look into the incident.
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First of all, several jet fighter pilots started the attack in the afternoon. The US did not identify whose planes they were.
Torpedo boats of which one was later identified as Israel's did the major damage to the ship. They blew a huge hole in the ship.

Our CIA wrote this up.

284. Intelligence Memorandum Prepared in the Central Intelligence Agency

SC No. 01415/67
Washington, June 13, 1967.

THE ISRAELI ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY

The US Naval technical research ship Liberty was attacked by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats off the Sinai Peninsula on 8 June. The following account of the circumstances of the attack has been compiled from all available sources.

1. The Liberty reported at 9:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. Washington time) on 8 June that it had been orbited by two delta-wing jet fighters, presumably Israeli Mirages. At 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) the Liberty was strafed by unidentified jet aircraft. The Liberty apparently was not able to establish communications with other units of the US Sixth Fleet during the air attack, and the first information available to the US commanders was after the subsequent attack by unidentified torpedo boats, which occurred at 3:25 p.m.

2. At 4:11 p.m. (9:11 a.m.) the US Commander in Chief, Europe, notified the National Military Command Center in Washington that the Liberty was under attack and was listing to starboard after being struck by a torpedo. The Commander of the US Sixth Fleet declared the attacking units hostile and sent attack aircraft from the carriers America and Saratoga to protect the Liberty. A good part of the ship’s communications equipment was destroyed by the crew during the attack but emergency communications were soon established with the Saratoga and with the naval communications station in Greece. Because of the tenseness of the situation and the communications delays, the initial reports from the Liberty were sketchy and somewhat confusing.

Specifics of the Attack

3. According to these reports, however, the sequence of events took place as follows. The ship was attacked at 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) by [Page 470]unidentified jet fighters, believed to be Israeli, at position 31–35N, 33–29E. Six strafing runs were made by the jets. Twenty minutes later three torpedo boats closed at high speed and two of them launched torpedoes after first circling the Liberty. One torpedo passed astern, and the other struck the starboard side of the ship in the spaces occupied by the SIGINT collectors. One of the boats was later identified as Israeli and the hull number of one unit was noted as 206–T. Some 50 minutes later two Israeli helicopters arrived on the scene.

Israeli Identification of the Ship

4. None of the communications of the attacking aircraft and torpedo boats is available, but the intercepted conversations between the helicopter pilots and the control tower at Hatzor (near Tel Aviv) leave little doubt that the Israelis failed to identify the Liberty as a US ship before or during the attack. Control told (helicopter) 815 at 3:31 p.m. (8:31 a.m.) that “there is a warship there which we attacked. The men jumped into the water from it. You will try to rescue them.” Although there were other references to a search for the men in the water and although US units later searched the area, no survivors were recovered from the sea, nor were there any indications that any of the 22 missing personnel from the Liberty had been lost overboard.

5. A subsequent message from the control tower to the helicopter identified the ship as Egyptian and told the pilot to return home. Although the Liberty is some 200 feet longer than the Egyptian transport El Quesir, it could easily be mistaken for the latter vessel by an overzealous pilot. Both ships have similar hulls and arrangements of masts and stack.

6. The weather was clear in the area of attack, the Liberty’s hull number (GTR 5) was prominently displayed, and an American flag was flying. The helicopter pilot was then urgently requested to identify the survivors as Egyptian or English speaking (this being the first indication that the Israelis suspected they may have attacked a neutral ship). The helicopter pilot reported seeing an American flag on the Liberty. In another intercept between an unidentified Israeli controller and the helicopter number 815, the pilot reported that number GTR 5 was written on the ship’s side. The controller told the pilot the number had no significance.

7. Thus it was not until 4:12 p.m. (9:12 a.m.) that the Israelis became convinced that the Liberty was American. This was about 44 minutes after the last attack on the ship and the attack had apparently been called off, not because the ship had been identified, but because it seemed to be sinking. (The US Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv reports that Israeli helicopters and the three torpedo boats searched the area until 6:04 p.m. (11:04 a.m.).) The Israeli offer of assistance was declined [Page 471]because of the sensitive mission of the ship. According to US Navy reports, the ship was saved only through the efforts of her crew.

Damage and Personnel Losses

8. The ship suffered heavy material and personnel casualties. A hole estimated to be 39 feet wide at the bottom and 24 feet wide at the top near the waterline was opened by a torpedo. The ship is flooded below the second deck between frames 52 and 78 (36-inch frame spacing). The crew carried out emergency destruction of classified communications and radar equipment, but the ship’s engineering plant is intact. Several flash fires and cannon holes throughout the superstructure caused some minor damage and the ship’s motor whale boat and virtually all of its life rafts were lost. Personnel casualties include 10 killed, 90 wounded, and 22 missing, most of whom were probably trapped in the flooded compartments. The wounded and the dead have been removed from the ship and some additional crew members put aboard. The ship is expected to arrive in Malta on 14 June for dry docking and hull repairs. Security precautions are being taken to protect the classified intercept equipment in the flooded spaces. The US Navy has convened a board of inquiry to look into the incident.
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Taking a story that was used by Kluxers & JBS to malign & impugn Israel & Jews in the late 1970s & early 80s and reviving it today is pretty low brow
Truth is truth no matter who "used" it. Facts are facts. Israel DID attack the USS Liberty whether you want to believe it or not.
 
Truth is truth no matter who "used" it. Facts are facts. Israel DID attack the USS Liberty whether you want to believe it or not.
It did, indeed.

However, we've long-since kissed-and-made-up...

We're very close friends and allies now...

The way it should have been all along, since 1948...

Too bad we had to get past 1967 before we found the courage to begin standing with them...

But better late than never...

And, by now, we're closer than ever...
 
It did, indeed.

However, we've long-since kissed-and-made-up...

We're very close friends and allies now...

The way it should have been all along, since 1948...
George Soros, Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Benjamin Netanyahu, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Karl Marx, Jeffery Epstein, Mark Zuckerberg, Henry Kissinger, Jamie Raskin, and many others would fully agree with you.
 
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