USS Liberty

[Dante]

/----/ I was a teenager when that happened. I don't recall LBJ recalling the Phantoms. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't recall.

facts:

Remembering the Attack on USS LIBERTY

On June 8 1967, the USS LIBERTY (AGTR-5) was attacked in international water by Israeli forces killing 34 Americans and wounding another 171. Seven out of every 10 crew members was either kil…

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[Kondor3]

Erred?

What kind of bs apologist crap is that?

Dante has linked to the facts. Screw your multiple narratives excusing and covering up for Israel. Be an American first

people had the page taken down, but we have the Wayback Machine

Remembering the Attack on USS LIBERTY

On June 8 1967, the USS LIBERTY (AGTR-5) was attacked in international water by Israeli forces killing 34 Americans and wounding another 171. Seven out of every 10 crew members was either kil…

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Yer swingin' 60 years after the bell... get some new material... your argument no longer has any teeth...

 

[Dante]

Yer swingin' 60 years after the bell... get some new material... your argument no longer has any teeth...

Truthful, provable Facts always have teeth

 

[Dante]

Yer swingin' 60 years after the bell... get some new material... your argument no longer has any teeth...

the liar: 1450: Israeli Lt. Col. Michael Bloch telephones Commander Castle that Liberty, because it was not flying a flag, had been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Queseir. State Department assures Congress that attack was accidental.
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8 June 1997: Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, appointed Chief of Naval Operations shortly after the attack on the Liberty, tells a reunion of survivors: “I have to conclude that it was Israel’s intent to sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American.”

November 1998: Captain McGonagle breaks his long silence: “After many years I finally believe that the attack was deliberate. I don’t think there has been an adequate investigation of the incident . . . The flag was flying prior to the attack…” McGonagle will die four months later, on March 3, 1999.

Remembering the Attack on USS LIBERTY

On June 8 1967, the USS LIBERTY (AGTR-5) was attacked in international water by Israeli forces killing 34 Americans and wounding another 171. Seven out of every 10 crew members was either kil…

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[Dante]

18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo boats erroneously reported the Liberty’s speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among those maritime items of which it is most proud.

 

[Dante]

LBJ went on to further embarrassments with the USS Pueblo captured by North Korea and being held as a trophy to this day.

Interesting.

 

[Kondor3]

Truthful, provable Facts always have teeth

Now, all you need is a majority-audience that thinks about it the same way you do... and you don't have that...

Most Americans who aren't married to an Anti-Semitic or Anti-Israel agenda do not view that old incident as fatal to the alliance.

And they - not you - are in the overwhelming majority... which is what I mean by the argument no longer having teeth...

Translation: it is no longer sufficiently relevant to present circumstances to substantively color present-day Israel-US relations...

Next batter, please...

 

[Robert W]

18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo boats erroneously reported the Liberty’s speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among those maritime items of which it is most proud.

Not Interesting.

 

[Dante]

Not Interesting.

Factual truths rarely are to folks like you, are they.

 

[Dante]

Now, all you need is a majority-audience that thinks about it the same way you do... and you don't have that...

Most Americans who aren't married to an Anti-Semitic or Anti-Israel agenda do not view that old incident as fatal to the alliance.

And they - not you - are in the overwhelming majority... which is what I mean by the argument no longer having teeth...

Translation: it is no longer sufficiently relevant to present circumstances to substantively color present-day Israel-US relations...

Next batter, please...

Whatever you are ranting on about, it is quite disturbing.

 

[Dante]

Now, all you need is a majority-audience that thinks about it the same way you do... and you don't have that...

Most Americans who aren't married to an Anti-Semitic or Anti-Israel agenda do not view that old incident as fatal to the alliance.

And they - not you - are in the overwhelming majority... which is what I mean by the argument no longer having teeth...

Translation: it is no longer sufficiently relevant to present circumstances to substantively color present-day Israel-US relations...

Next batter, please...

The Cancel Culture surrounding Israel today is just atrocious. There will be blowback. Unfortunately there will be. The public is being misled on much. And people like you laugh and admit some shit like you've done here.

 

[PeterPilot]

/----/ I was a teenager when that happened. I don't recall LBJ recalling the Phantoms. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't recall.

I was 20 years old when that happened, and did not become aware of it until about 10 years ago.

The mainstream media did not report that LBJ, McCain and MacNamara recalled the Phantoms--whistleblowers did.

The sinking of the Israeli submarine Dakar happened 6 months after the Liberty incident.

Israeli sub vanishes | January 25, 1968 | HISTORY

The Israeli submarine Dakar, carrying 69 sailors, disappears on January 25, 1968. It would remain missing for some 30 years. The Dakar was built at the height of World War II by H.M. Dockyard in Great Britain and commissioned as the HMS Totem by the British navy in 1943. Following the war, the...

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I cannot remember where, but I read that US sailors avenged their brothers in arms onboard the Liberty. I hope that's true.

 

[Dante]

"Captain William L. McGonagle of the USS Liberty, "received the Medal of Honor, the highest U.S. medal, for his actions. The Medal of Honor is generally presented by the president of the United States in the White House, but this time it was awarded at the Washington Navy Yard by the Secretary of the Navy in an unpublicized ceremony. Other Liberty sailors received decorations for their actions during and after the attack, but most of the award citations omitted mention of Israel as the perpetrator. In 2009, however, a Silver Star was awarded to crew member Terry Halbardier, who braved machine-gun and cannon fire to repair a damaged antenna that restored the ship's communication; in his award citation Israel was named as the attacker." -
Wikipedia quotation

I see that the Israeli Air Force flew over the ship. The crew of the ship said they had the identification of the Liberty being an American ship. I've had arguments with an acquaintance over the years who was in the military at the time. I now apologize to him. His anger at Israel was justified. My defense of their actions was not. Not really. He was always upset and angry that so many have struggled to write it all off to fog of war, unfortunate coincidences, blah, blah blah...

A very long-winded Wikipedia entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Israel is not always in the right, just as the US government is not always in the right. We must think straight and be honest with ourselves and others.

 

[Dante]

Why? Transcripts can be forged.

The problem is you want to take the Zionists at the word.

I don't.

Don't trust them.

amused by your interaction with The Mister Peabody of USMB (mikegriffith1 )

note:
The cartoons are about Peabody, who is the smartest being in existence, having graduated from Harvard when he was 3 years old. ("Wagna cum laude"). Peabody has accomplished many things in his life as a business magnate, inventor, scientist, Nobel laureate, gourmand, and two-time Olympic medalist.

Mr. Peabody - Wikipedia

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[Robert W]

Why? Transcripts can be forged.

The problem is you want to take the Zionists at the word.

I don't.

Don't trust them.

Do you trust China?

 

[Grau]

Do you trust China?

We'd better trust China since traitorous Zionist spies are stealing American military secrets and selling them to the Chinese.


With allies like Israel...
...who needs enemies?

"Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China

EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002."CONTINUED


"ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"

Israel Won't Stop Spying on the U.S. - Newsweek

Israel is flouting the "friendly" rules of espionage to steal U.S. trade and tech secrets

www.newsweek.com

EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

“No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013" CONTINUED

 

[Robert W]

We'd better trust China since traitorous Zionist spies are stealing American military secrets and selling them to the Chinese.


With allies like Israel...
...who needs enemies?

"Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China

EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002."CONTINUED


"ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"

Israel Won't Stop Spying on the U.S. - Newsweek

Israel is flouting the "friendly" rules of espionage to steal U.S. trade and tech secrets

www.newsweek.com

EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

“No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013" CONTINUED

If you trust China, why do you mind what Israel sends to China?

 

[Failzero]

Teh Jooos are in cahoots with the Chinese ?

 

[mikegriffith1]

amused by your interaction with The Mister Peabody of USMB (mikegriffith1 )

LOL! Well, I figured you and JoeB131, aka Jihad Joe, were two peas in a pod!

And I'm not surprised that you side with the tiny minority who believe Israel purposely attacked the USS Liberty, never mind that no one has yet come up with a credible, logical motive, and never mind that every official investigation has concluded the attack was a tragic case of friendly fire, and never mind, as I proved to Jihad Joe, that there have been even worse cases of friendly fire.

I'm curious: Do you also believe the 9/11 Truther conspiracy theory about 9/11, i.e., that the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions planted before the attack, and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile and not by an airliner?

 

[Grau]

If you trust China, why do you mind what Israel sends to China?

That's just it.

I don't trust China but I trust Israel's genocidal and parasitic Zionists even less.

Please remember, don't expect to read about Israel's innumerable betrayals, deceptions and insatiable parasitism in Western Pro Israel MSM. (2).



(1). "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED



(2). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with......" CONTINUED