US to withdraw from NATO?

[frigidweirdo]

Putin got European countries to spend more NATO? To what end?

It's like trying to get a two year old to understand politics.

Come on man, seriously? You just asked the most ridiculous question of the day (at least that I've seen, the competition is probably fierce).

Tell you what, you spend some time using your noggin and think about it, then get back to me, hey?

 

[SweetTea]

It's like trying to get a two year old to understand politics.

Come on man, seriously? You just asked the most ridiculous question of the day (at least that I've seen, the competition is probably fierce).

Tell you what, you spend some time using your noggin and think about it, then get back to me, hey?

Answer the question, genius.

 

[TimFitz]

Leave NATO and form a new alliance in Asia Pacific instead. Japan and S. Korea welcome US troops.

Uh, we have SEATO.

And the Asian nations are no more likely to trust us after Trump’s dismal and divisive attacks and betrayal of NATO,

Especially since these are the countries hit hardest by the consequences of the war Trump started.

 

[TimFitz]

Putin got European countries to spend more NATO? To what end?

In response to an obvious and new Russian threat (the invasion of Ukraine), as well as Trump’s support for that war and his duplicity towards NATO.

 

[SweetTea]

In response to an obvious and new Russian threat (the invasion of Ukraine), as well as Trump’s support for that war and his duplicity towards NATO.

Except that EU countries started spending more money on NATO during Trumps first term.

 

[struth]

In response to an obvious and new Russian threat (the invasion of Ukraine), as well as Trump’s support for that war and his duplicity towards NATO.

Russia invade Ukraine in 2014....over a decade ago...that's not new....

Trump, not Xiden or Obama....started giving Ukraine defensive weapons, Trump, not Obama oro Xiden got NATO to step up, and Europe to step up and help

 

[westwall]

Putin LOVES the idea

He probably does. So do I. Europe can take care of itself. They've had 70 years. Time for them to grow up.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Iran launched missiles at Turkey. That doesn't count?

MSN

NATO Downs New Iranian Missile in Escalating Turkey Threat

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization intercepted an Iranian missile over Turkey on Monday, the Turkish Defense Ministry said in a statement, eliminating a fourth such threat against the country in less than a month.

www.bloomberg.com

NATO fighters shot them down. Yes NATO defended Cypres and Turkey. US territory has not been attacked by Iran.

 

[luiza]

He probably does. So do I. Europe can take care of itself. They've had 70 years. Time for them to grow up.

Seems like they have matured and the school yard bully has not.
Guess we like best pals who are more involved in a real culture and are intellectually challenging and interesting .

Acting coarse and stupid can seem funny at first but soon palls , particularly when there are serious and grown - up matters to discuss .

 

[Old Rocks]

Europe can take care of itself. It's time to withdraw from NATO and the Ukraine war. Ukraine is Europe's problem now.

And Sudetenland was Europe's problem until Germany declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor. A Europe dominated by Russia would soon very much be our problem. You are a fool for thinking otherwise.

 

[rightwinger]

He probably does. So do I. Europe can take care of itself. They've had 70 years. Time for them to grow up.

Helps us too

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, we started it. I remember back in 1979 we were all shouting "Death to Iran". Then we took Iranian hostages for 400 days.

Stupid ass, we overthrew Iran's attempt at democracy in 1953, and installed the Shaw. Who ran a very repressive regime, and we supported that. In fact looking at the history of the Mid-East, they have good reason for not trusting Europe and America. The present borders of the present nations there were not drawn by the people living there, but by Europeans dividing up the wealth of oil.

 

[kyzr]

NATO fighters shot them down. Yes NATO defended Cyprus and Turkey. US territory has not been attacked by Iran.

What happened to "an attack on one is an attack on all"??????

Was NATO attacked by Iran, yes or no?

 

[Zincwarrior]

What happened to "an attack on one is an attack on all"??????

Was NATO attacked by Iran, yes or no?

Yes and they stopped the attack. They are fulfilling their obligations. Note, the US didn't stop the attacks.

 

[cnm]

I cannot think of anything that Putin would like more than to see the US withdraw from NATO. Having achieved nothing but chaos with his vastly unpopular war in Iran, one we started, Trump is once again doing the bidding of his KBG master in the Kremlin.

MSN

His relating where Putin and himself would both mock NATO as a paper tiger was illuminating.

I'm sure it didn't worry anyone...

 

[cnm]

Was NATO attacked by Iran, yes or no?

No.

Article 5​

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

 

[cnm]

The head of NATO will come begging on his knees.

Yeah, he's playing Chump to the maximum while the NATO countries are telling Chump to go **** himself.

 

[kyzr]

Yes and they stopped the attack. They are fulfilling their obligations. Note, the US didn't stop the attacks.

Point being, Iran attacked two NATO countries, the US is battling Iran over its nuclear program, and all the other NATO countries are saying "not my problem", So Article 5 is worthless?

 

[kyzr]

No.

YES. Read these links, Turkey & Cyprus were attacked by Iran.

NATO Downs New Iranian Missile in Escalating Turkey Threat

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization intercepted an Iranian missile over Turkey on Monday, the Turkish Defense Ministry said in a statement, eliminating a fourth such threat against the country in less than a month.

www.bloomberg.com

How the Iran war has put the small island of Cyprus abruptly on Europe's security radar

When it comes to European Union territory, you can't go much further east than Cyprus. So far east, in fact, that it's within reach of Iran's weapons.

www.cbsnews.com

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

Looks like Article 5 says "take action to restore and maintain security" (in the Gulf of Hormuz).

"...individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."

 

[Zincwarrior]

Point being, Iran attacked two NATO countries, the US is battling Iran over its nuclear program, and all the other NATO countries are saying "not my problem", So Article 5 is worthless?

Iran did not attack the US. The US attacked Iran. Wars of aggression are not covered by Article 5.