US to withdraw from NATO?

[JonKoch]

No one asked them to attack. We just wanted to use one of the many bases that we fund.

After going on an offensive war, started by Dementia Don





NATO is a defensive alliance focused on collective security

• Article 5 Focus: Collective defence dictates that members must protect one another from attack.
• Article 51 Compliance: NATO's actions are aligned with the United Nations Charter's provision for collective self-defense.

 

[JonKoch]

When it comes down to it, what good is NATO? Does NATO defend us? No. We defend them. We pay the most dues and we provide most of the personnel and equipment. What does NATO do for us? Nothing.

NATO has a direct budget for shared headquarters and missions (roughly €4.6 billion in 2025). The US pays roughly 16% of this direct, common-funded budget, which was reduced from 22% in 2019 to better align with other members.


BUT YES, THE US MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IS HUGE, DOD BUDGET OF $1 TRILLION HAS ABOUT HALF GOING TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. Corps love them some welfare



The VA has its own separate budget and is not part of the Department of Defense budget. This includes veterans' medical care and disability compensation.


In summary, the VA budget is completely separate, while military retirement is a mix of DoD contributions and Treasury funding. Together, the combined spending of the DoD and VA in 2025 is estimated to be around $1.2 trillion.

 

[JonKoch]

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[JonKoch]

Putin doesn't have anything to do with it. Why do we need NATO? They need us. We don't need them.

NATO as an organization did not participate in the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq due to deep divisions among its members. However, the alliance later provided support through training Iraqi forces (2004–2011) and assisting with logistics. Individual NATO members participated in the coalition, but it was not a formal NATO mission.


NATO as an organization did not participate in the 2026 US-led invasion of Iran



The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is a collective defense alliance formed in 1949 to secure peace and stability in the North Atlantic area through solidarity and deterrence, primarily against Soviet—and now Russian—aggression.

 

[kyzr]

NATO stabilizes Western Europe and keeps Russia in check.
Trump is weakening the NATO alliance, something Putin has always dreamed about

Trump strengthened NATO by making them comply with their military spending commitments.

 

[kyzr]

We are the ones who choose to spend 40 cents of every defense dollar on earth.
Europe provides those remote defense bases, airfields and naval ports we need to extend our power

NATO countries don't let us use our bases or fly over their country. Worthless weenies.

 

[kyzr]

NATO does not have to support our stupid decisions

They didn’t in Vietnam, didn’t in Iraq
They were right

If they were right, what was the purpose of the JCPOA?

 

[kyzr]

After going on an offensive war, started by Dementia Don
NATO is a defensive alliance focused on collective security

• Article 5 Focus: Collective defence dictates that members must protect one another from attack.
• Article 51 Compliance: NATO's actions are aligned with the United Nations Charter's provision for collective self-defense.

So when Turkey is attacked by Iran everyone just ignores it instead of helping the US defang Iran. Worthless weenies.

 

[JonKoch]

Trump strengthened NATO by making them comply with their military spending commitments.

President Obama, particularly at the 2014 NATO Summit in Wales, urged allies to reverse declines in defense spending and meet the 2% of GDP target, addressing an imbalance in NATO burden-sharing. He pushed for this target in response to Russia's aggression, with members pledging to meet the 2% goal by 2024.

 

[JonKoch]

So when Turkey is attacked by Iran everyone just ignores it instead of helping the US defang Iran. Worthless weenies.

Turkey asking for an article 5? I didn't think so.

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