US to withdraw from NATO?

[Rawley]

Name them
I will wait

Please tell us you are not that ignorant. Please.

 

[Rawley]

I'm beginning to thin it's something we need to consider.

We don't need to pull out, just seriously rethink the resources we supply to NATO.

 

[westwall]

Hey, they took our embassy back in 1829 and even killed our ambassador, Griboedov. But then, we made their Shah very sorry and he paid us a lot for settling the things down.
But as I said, you started it first, by removing democratic Iranian government in 1953.

"Democratic", seems to me you're ignoring the guy who was murdered so that your guy could get in, in the first place.

Why is that?

The real history is inconvenient for you?

 

[rightwinger]

Please tell us you are not that ignorant. Please.

Name the thousands

 

[rightwinger]

The JCPOA was not working. It expired in 10-15 years, it was moronic.

MSN

Iran claimed to have enough uranium for 11 nuclear bombs, US envoy Witkoff says​

“They were proud of it,” Witkoff went on. “They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

Enforcing the "JCPOA" with military force is much better than giving Iran $56,000,000,000 to develop nukes and ICBMs. Trump simplified the JCPOA, saying "Iran will never be allowed to have nuclear weapons".

Meaning the deal would still be in effect and inspectors on the ground TODAY

Without closing the Strait of Hormuz and raising our gas by $1.25 a gallon

 

[Rawley]

Name the thousands

How about the 241 marines killed in 1983. Start there. Or you can stop being an asshole and admit the fact that Iran has been the #1 state sponsor of terror for decades.

 

[IM2]

And the thousand or so Americans murdered in the interim, plus the continued efforts to obtain a nuke, which they would immediately use.

But you know that, you're just a liar.

Legacy: Roots of Resentment​

The coup’s consequences were profound.

Domestic Authoritarianism: The Shah, restored to power, ruled with increasing autocracy for the next 25 years. His reliance on Western backing and his creation of SAVAK deepened repression.

National Humiliation: The coup became a collective memory of betrayal. When revolution erupted in 1979, chants of “Death to America” and “Death to England” drew directly on the memory of 1953.

Cold War Geopolitics: For Washington, Iran became a key ally, hosting U.S. military bases and serving as a pillar of containment. Yet the very alliance sowed the seeds of future estrangement.

Oil Nationalism: Although Mosaddegh was defeated, the principle of oil sovereignty remained powerful. Later OPEC revolts against Western oil companies drew inspiration from Iran’s example.

Enduring Distrust: The coup poisoned U.S.–Iran relations. Even today, Iranian leaders cite 1953 as proof of American duplicity. For many Iranians, the coup explains why foreign influence must be resisted at all costs.

Conclusion​

The coup of 1953 was a turning point in modern Iran. It crushed a democratic experiment, restored an autocratic Shah, and reasserted Western control over oil. For the United States and Britain, it was a Cold War victory; for Iranians, it was a national trauma. Its legacy shaped the revolutionary anger of 1979 and continues to color relations between Iran and the West.

The 1953 Coup: Oil, Mosaddegh, and the Roots of Iranian Resentment - Explaining History Podcast

In one decisive episode, a democratically elected leader was removed in a covert Anglo-American operation, foreign powers reasserted control over Iranian oil, and the Shah’s autocracy was restored.

explaininghistory.org

 

[kyzr]

Meaning the deal would still be in effect and inspectors on the ground TODAY

Not true. The JCPOA expired. Iran brags they cheated on it developing advanced centrifuges and having 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium, enough for 11 bombs.

Without closing the Strait of Hormuz and raising our gas by $1.25 a gallon

Without Trump Iran would have 11 bombs in a matter of weeks. Reread post #257

 

[westwall]

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Legacy: Roots of Resentment​

The coup’s consequences were profound.

Domestic Authoritarianism: The Shah, restored to power, ruled with increasing autocracy for the next 25 years. His reliance on Western backing and his creation of SAVAK deepened repression.

National Humiliation: The coup became a collective memory of betrayal. When revolution erupted in 1979, chants of “Death to America” and “Death to England” drew directly on the memory of 1953.

Cold War Geopolitics: For Washington, Iran became a key ally, hosting U.S. military bases and serving as a pillar of containment. Yet the very alliance sowed the seeds of future estrangement.

Oil Nationalism: Although Mosaddegh was defeated, the principle of oil sovereignty remained powerful. Later OPEC revolts against Western oil companies drew inspiration from Iran’s example.

Enduring Distrust: The coup poisoned U.S.–Iran relations. Even today, Iranian leaders cite 1953 as proof of American duplicity. For many Iranians, the coup explains why foreign influence must be resisted at all costs.

Conclusion​

The coup of 1953 was a turning point in modern Iran. It crushed a democratic experiment, restored an autocratic Shah, and reasserted Western control over oil. For the United States and Britain, it was a Cold War victory; for Iranians, it was a national trauma. Its legacy shaped the revolutionary anger of 1979 and continues to color relations between Iran and the West.

The 1953 Coup: Oil, Mosaddegh, and the Roots of Iranian Resentment - Explaining History Podcast

In one decisive episode, a democratically elected leader was removed in a covert Anglo-American operation, foreign powers reasserted control over Iranian oil, and the Shah’s autocracy was restored.

explaininghistory.org

And you too ignore the fact that the guy you're pissing and moaning about only got where he was by MURDERING the guy before him.

DURRRRRR

 

[rightwinger]

Not true. The JCPOA expired. Iran brags they cheated on it developing advanced centrifuges and having 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium, enough for 11 bombs.

Without Trump Iran would have 11 bombs in a matter of weeks. Reread post #257

It didn’t expire
Trump said he would get a better deal

His deal was shut down the Strait of Hormuz

 

[Seymour Flops]

I cannot think of anything that Putin would like more than to see the US withdraw from NATO. Having achieved nothing but chaos with his vastly unpopular war in Iran, one we started, Trump is once again doing the bidding of his KBG master in the Kremlin.

MSN

What did NATO do about Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

What do you think NATO would do if China invaded California somehow or if Russia invaded the East Coast?

Suppose Either country promised the European members of NATO not to attack them, so long as they stayed out of the war in North America? Including promising Denmark that they could keep their Greenland colony?

Suppose Russia or China offered further incentives to Europe such as favorable trade deals to stay out?

Please tell me you don't seriously believe that France, Germany, Finland, and Sweden are going to join the war to rush to the U.S.' aid?

 

[rightwinger]

What did NATO do about Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

They invoked crippling sanctions on Russia and provided billions of dollars in high tech military equipment.

Why Putin didn’t win

 

[TimFitz]

The JCPOA was not working. It expired in 10-15 years, it was moronic.

MSN

Iran claimed to have enough uranium for 11 nuclear bombs, US envoy Witkoff says​

“They were proud of it,” Witkoff went on. “They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

Enforcing the "JCPOA" with military force is much better than giving Iran $56,000,000,000 to develop nukes and ICBMs. Trump simplified the JCPOA, saying "Iran will never be allowed to have nuclear weapons".

Witkoff was openly lying.

He was the one that walked out of the negotiations, not Iran.

 

[IM2]

The JCPOA was not working. It expired in 10-15 years, it was moronic.

MSN

Iran claimed to have enough uranium for 11 nuclear bombs, US envoy Witkoff says​

“They were proud of it,” Witkoff went on. “They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

Enforcing the "JCPOA" with military force is much better than giving Iran $56,000,000,000 to develop nukes and ICBMs. Trump simplified the JCPOA, saying "Iran will never be allowed to have nuclear weapons".

Everything you say here is wrong. Witkoff lied.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They invoked crippling sanctions on Russia and provided billions of dollars in high tech military equipment.

Why Putin didn’t win

Oh.

Russia has pulled out of Ukraine? Ukraine is free? Yay!

Wait . . . if Russia lost the war, how much credit do you give to the U.S. for that?

 

[Zavulon]

"Democratic", seems to me you're ignoring the guy who was murdered so that your guy could get in, in the first place.

Why is that?

The real history is inconvenient for you?

The real thing is, that constitutional monarchy, when Shah doesn't actually rule, and rule the government elected by people, is way more "democratic" than a corrupted monarchy, pumping money and resources from their people into a foreign country (actually, an occupational administration in neo-colonialism system). And the history teach us (even Americans), that people don't like to be a colony and they often see colonial administration as enemies, and, what is even more important, people are quite conservative creatures. We don't easily start Revolutions. We usually need much more than a glimpse of imagination or religious affection to start fighting and destroying our world.

 

[TimFitz]

What did NATO do about Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

What do you think NATO would do if China invaded California somehow or if Russia invaded the East Coast?

Suppose Either country promised the European members of NATO not to attack them, so long as they stayed out of the war in North America? Including promising Denmark that they could keep their Greenland colony?

Suppose Russia or China offered further incentives to Europe such as favorable trade deals to stay out?

Please tell me you don't seriously believe that France, Germany, Finland, and Sweden are going to join the war to rush to the U.S.' aid?

NATO took in hundreds of thousands of refugees.

NATO grew as a result of the Russian invasion.

NATO hs supplied military aid, training and logistical support throughout.

Trump has served his master Putin well, opposing both support and aid, and siding with Moscow.

 

[TimFitz]

They invoked crippling sanctions on Russia and provided billions of dollars in high tech military equipment.

Why Putin didn’t win

Why Putin hasn’t won. Dispite the best efforts of Donald Trump.

 

[TimFitz]

And the thousand or so Americans murdered in the interim, plus the continued efforts to obtain a nuke, which they would immediately use.

But you know that, you're just a liar.

That was one of the after the fact rationalizations.

 

[rightwinger]

Why Putin hasn’t won. Dispite the best efforts of Donald Trump.

Trump called Putin a genius