US to withdraw from NATO?

[Mashmont]

Want to back a few years earlier and tell us what US and UK did to Iran?

There is no one innocent if that fight...

Thing was the UN deal was going well and Trump had an offer on the table from Iran to stop any Nuclear development.

UK security adviser ‘attended’ US-Iran talks and judged deal was within reach

Exclusive: Jonathan Powell thought Tehran’s ‘surprising’ offer on its nuclear programme could prevent rush to war, sources say

www.theguardian.com

JArad and Witkoff wanted a war and they led Trump into it... I don't think Trump knew what he was getting himself into.
It is pretty clear that they didn't discuss this within intelligence community....

Iran lied all the way through.

 

[Mashmont]

Nope...

Look at the opinion polls on the war...
This 8 days ago
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This is 2 days ago:

In the CNN poll, released Wednesday before President Trump gave an address on the conflict, 66 percent said they either “somewhat disapprove” or “strongly disapprove” of “the U.S. decision to take military action in Iran.”

US doesn't want this war either... Even Trump is talking about going home...
This adventure was massively ill conceived....

NATO members don't trust Trump and they have very good reason... He has shown only contempt for them in the first place.

Jews don't like it either

Poll: Most American Jews oppose war on Iran

Vast majority of poll respondents say Trump has no clear plan for the conflict

responsiblestatecraft.org

The NATO leaders wouldn't leader for hot minute if they said they were getting involved...

Facts are, Trump is not America...

Cowboy Ted. Something you must understand. I’m the cowboy or Trump is the cowboy. He and I are two of a kind. Nobody else can be a cowboy.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Cowboy Ted. Something you must understand. I’m the cowboy or Trump is the cowboy. He and I are two of a kind. Nobody else can be a cowboy.

He ain't no ******* cowboy. The closest he got to a cow is a steak dinner at Texas Roadhouse.

 

[JonKoch]

JCPOA had a 15-year expiration date. It was worthless. Trump's "no nukes period" had consequences.
They call it a "war of choice", but it is the JCPOA by military means.

Sure, I thought Cheeto was the great negotiator, he couldn't do much with it huh? Even though they gave international inspectors 24/7 access and video feeds?

Oh well, another broken promise to Cheeto's CULT. AmeriKKKa first!

 

[JonKoch]

Iraq, yes
Syria, yes
AFG, no, but that was the choice of the Afghans, enabled by Biden's hasty withdrawal.

Fkn clueless if you thing it worked in Syria or Iraq

 

[JonKoch]

The US has spent hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions over the years, protecting Europe with American lives and assets. When we need European bases to launch an attack on a country that has ballistic missiles that can reach THEIR CAPITALS, NOT OURS, they say no.

** them. ** NATO. They can defend themselves. Bring our boys home.

The US has spent TRILLIONS for our Corporate overlords can have "commodities" they want, cheaply. That's been that way for over 100 years. We overthrow Gov't's because we want cheap oil, bananas, minerals, sugar, etc

 

[JonKoch]

Yes, the US was.

If Iran had been chanting "death to France" for 47 years, had killed over 1000 French citizens and military, and France finally decided they had enough and would take out the regime, we would have been right with them.

But no more.

The US was attacked numerous times by Iran. I guess 300 people dead in Lebanon in 1983 doesn't mean shit to you, does it? Just because previous administrations kicked the can down the road doesn't mean it's still not an act of war. And acts of war do not have expiration dates.

Beirut bombing where 241 military died and Ronnie cut and ran (while trading guns for hostages with Iran) and invaded Grenada instead? lmaorog

 

[cnm]

If you need it opened, go open it.

Trump just enforced the JCPOA by military means, with no end date and no exceptions.

What a load of shit.

 

[Zavulon]

Iran attacked Turkey who is a NATO member. So why isn't NATO attacking Iran?

The USA, with their allies, attacked Iran, started the war of aggression. Therefore, Iran, as defender, has legal right to fight back both USA and it's allies, who didn't declare neutrality.
Were Tirkey and Cyprus neutral, or they were parts of hostile to Iran military alliance?

 

[Mashmont]

Sure, I thought Cheeto was the great negotiator, he couldn't do much with it huh? Even though they gave international inspectors 24/7 access and video feeds?

Oh well, another broken promise to Cheeto's CULT. AmeriKKKa first!

International inspectors are easily fooled and are not looking for trouble. Way different from American inspectors.

 

[there4eyeM]

That other nations do not want to be dragged into a war they were not even consulted about is understandable. At the same time, it is entirely in the interests of Europe that oil flow as freely as possible, so Hormuz's opening should concern them. It is petulance on their part at this point to not participate. All that said, there is no reason for the U.S. to forego NATO. In fact, it is the height of absurdity to even discuss such a thing. The trouble is that "absurdity" has become normal.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

2. If you dig into the EU "nuclear umbrella" it isn't there.

The British and the French have nukes, not an 'umbrella' but still a deterrent. During the Cold War their nuclear policies were more aggressive than ours was. The French are probably still willing to do first strikes if Russians invade.

 

[The Duke]

 

[The Duke]

The British and the French have nukes, not an 'umbrella' but still a deterrent. During the Cold War their nuclear policies were more aggressive than ours was. The French are probably still willing to do first strikes if Russians invade.

That's going to be a serious problem when they get Caliphate-ized.
I'm not even saying "if" at this point.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

That's going to be a serious problem when they get Caliphate-ized.
I'm not even saying "if" at this point.

The enemy is already within.

 

[The Duke]

The enemy is already within.

UK, France, and Germany are looking to go the way Iran did in 1979.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Nice try. Want me to tell everyone what country your IP address is pinging from?

Never heard of VPNs, eh? Mine picks up whichever one is fastest at the moment I log on. US, Japan, The Netherlands, etc., even Singapore once in a while.

That's going to be a serious problem when they get Caliphate-ized.
I'm not even saying "if" at this point.

It may be too late, but we're seeing resistance to Muslim invaders all across Europe now. The commies and anarchists may still get that anarchy and chaos they wish for, and it won't go nearly as well for their 'Cause' as the scum thinks it will.

 

[The Duke]

Never heard of VPNs, eh? Mine picks up whichever one is fastest at the moment I log on. US,


It may be too late, but we're seeing resistance to Muslim invaders all across Europe now. The commies and anarchists may still get that anarchy and chaos they wish for, and it won't go nearly as well for their 'Cause' as the scum thinks it will.

One can pray. Also, how does this douchebag get your IP address?
Where am I pinging from right now? Hmm..
citygator

 

[EdwinAMartin]

One can pray.

Those Arab nations don't have real militaries; they're mostly just thugs, bandits, and criminals that degenerate into mobs of looters and rapists in the fields. At a civilian level they are merely feral animals and would be easily rounded up and defeated; like most thieves and bandits they will rat out their own mothers for a pack of smokes. How do you think the Israelis nearly always have excellent intelligence on them and their operations? Islamists have few morals.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

One can pray. Also, how does this douchebag get your IP address?
Where am I pinging from right now? Hmm..
citygator

There are also programs you can download to do it in Windows or whatever OS you run.


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How to Ping an IP Address​

Pinging an IP address lets you test whether your device can communicate with another host and measure the round-trip time for packets.

Basic Steps​

1. Open the command line tool

• Windows: Press Windows + R, type cmd, press Enter, or right-click the Start menu and choose Command Prompt or Windows PowerShell.
• macOS: Open Terminal from Applications → Utilities.
• Linux: Open a terminal (e.g., press Ctrl + Alt + T in Ubuntu) WikiHow+1.

2. Enter the ping command
Type:

<span data-bm="76">ping &lt;IP_address&gt;<br></span>
Replace &lt;IP_address&gt; with the target IP (e.g., ping 8.8.8.8 or ping 192.168.1.1) Computer Hope+1.

3. Interpret the results

• If you get replies with times in milliseconds, it means the host is reachable.
• If you see “Request timed out” or no replies, the host may be unreachable or blocking ICMP requests Computer Hope.

4. Stop the ping
Press Ctrl + C to stop the continuous ping WikiHow.

Example Output​

<span data-bm="86">Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:<br><span data-bm="87">Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=114</span><br><span>Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=114</span><br><span>Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:</span><br><span> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),</span><br><span> Approx. round trip times (ms): min/avg/max = 24/24/25</span><br></span>
This shows 4 packets sent, all received, with minimal latency Computer Hope.

Optional Options​

You can customize ping behavior:

• Windows: -t (continuous ping), -n &lt;count&gt; (number of packets) GeeksForGeeks.
• Linux/macOS: -c &lt;count&gt;, -i &lt;interval&gt;, -s &lt;size&gt; (packet size) GeeksForGeeks.

Troubleshooting​

• If the IP is unreachable, check your network connection or firewall settings.
• Some hosts block ICMP (ping) requests, so you may get timeouts even if the service is online GeeksForGeeks.

Tip: You can also ping by domain name (e.g., ping google.com) — the system will resolve it to an IP first Computer Hope.