US to withdraw from NATO?

[kyzr]

The US can't open it. All its force is useless, just like its POTUS.

We'll see. Either Iran opens it or gets pulverized. No thanks to you guys.

 

[JonKoch]

If Trump believes that Iran is an imminent threat, especially since the JCPOA expired, NATO should support Iran getting defanged.

Blocking or hindering the US against Iran shows how useless the EU NATO members are.

EXPIRED? So Cheeto didn't end it

 

[JonKoch]

We'll see. Either Iran opens it or gets pulverized. No thanks to you guys.

Yep, that worked in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc shaking head

 

[kyzr]

EXPIRED? So Cheeto didn't end it

JCPOA had a 15-year expiration date. It was worthless. Trump's "no nukes period" had consequences.
They call it a "war of choice", but it is the JCPOA by military means.

 

[cnm]

ONLY Congress could do it

Chump just has to not order US forces to respond.

NATO is effectively dead.

The next POTUS will inherit the earned distrust of the US by the rest of NATO.

 

[kyzr]

Yep, that worked in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc shaking head

Iraq, yes
Syria, yes
AFG, no, but that was the choice of the Afghans, enabled by Biden's hasty withdrawal.

 

[kyzr]

Chump just has to not order US forces to respond.
NATO is effectively dead.
The next POTUS will inherit the earned distrust of the US.

So if NATO goes from 32 members to 31 its dead. Why is that?

 

[IM2]

I know I should be immune by now but I'm still constantly amazed.

Yeah, the purposeful ignorance on the right is incredible

 

[cnm]

Ok, we'll remember that the next time the EU countries need military help.
Good luck with Hormuz being closed or held for ransom.

Military help like closing the Strait of Hormuz?

I'm sure everyone's as grateful as appropriate for another US clusterfuck in the ME.

The world was running out of them.

 

[cnm]

So if NATO goes from 32 members to 31 its dead. Why is that?

Because it's now the Canada and Europe Treaty Organisation.

CETO

 

[IM2]

Ok, we'll remember that the next time the EU countries need military help.
Good luck with Hormuz being closed or held for ransom.

You've forgotten how the EU countries fought in another war we started for no reason.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Israel is a better ally than any NATO country.

Really? I don't remember serving with any Israelis during the Cold War but served with plenty of NATO troops.

 

[Kruska]

Because it's now the Canada and Europe Treaty Organisation.

CETO

So will CETO have to build China like fortified Islands from Bermuda to the Turks, Cayman, Martinique to French Guiana?

 

[kyzr]

Military help like closing the Strait of Hormuz?

If you need it opened, go open it.

I'm sure everyone's as grateful as appropriate for another US clusterfuck in the ME.

Trump just enforced the JCPOA by military means, with no end date and no exceptions.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Why Putin wanted Trump

The US has spent hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions over the years, protecting Europe with American lives and assets. When we need European bases to launch an attack on a country that has ballistic missiles that can reach THEIR CAPITALS, NOT OURS, they say no.

**** them. **** NATO. They can defend themselves. Bring our boys home.

 

[CowboyTed]

Yes, we started it. I remember back in 1979 we were all shouting "Death to Iran". Then we took Iranian hostages for 400 days.

Want to back a few years earlier and tell us what US and UK did to Iran?

There is no one innocent if that fight...

Thing was the UN deal was going well and Trump had an offer on the table from Iran to stop any Nuclear development.

UK security adviser ‘attended’ US-Iran talks and judged deal was within reach

Exclusive: Jonathan Powell thought Tehran’s ‘surprising’ offer on its nuclear programme could prevent rush to war, sources say

www.theguardian.com

JArad and Witkoff wanted a war and they led Trump into it... I don't think Trump knew what he was getting himself into.
It is pretty clear that they didn't discuss this within intelligence community....

 

[CowboyTed]

The US has spent hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions over the years, protecting Europe with American lives and assets. When we need European bases to launch an attack on a country that has ballistic missiles that can reach THEIR CAPITALS, NOT OURS, they say no.

** them. ** NATO. They can defend themselves. Bring our boys home.

yep,

NATO is a defensive alliance... US wasn't attacked.

For US was led into this war by vested interests that are not looking after then US interests. NATO countries are stupid enough to follow them.

Trump didn't discuss the attack with NATO. Sorry, if you want have a war, it is your business..

 

[CowboyTed]

What foreigners don't understand when they insult our president is, conservatives and decent liberals will come together and defend this great man. We are free to debate him, but you foreigners had better not. We are America first, and Trump IS America, so we all agree foreigners had better lay off.

Nope...

Look at the opinion polls on the war...
This 8 days ago

This is 2 days ago:

In the CNN poll, released Wednesday before President Trump gave an address on the conflict, 66 percent said they either “somewhat disapprove” or “strongly disapprove” of “the U.S. decision to take military action in Iran.”

US doesn't want this war either... Even Trump is talking about going home...
This adventure was massively ill conceived....

NATO members don't trust Trump and they have very good reason... He has shown only contempt for them in the first place.

Jews don't like it either

Poll: Most American Jews oppose war on Iran

Vast majority of poll respondents say Trump has no clear plan for the conflict

responsiblestatecraft.org

The NATO leaders wouldn't leader for hot minute if they said they were getting involved...

Facts are, Trump is not America...

 

[airplanemechanic]

yep,

NATO is a defensive alliance... US wasn't attacked.

For US was led into this war by vested interests that are not looking after then US interests. NATO countries are stupid enough to follow them.

Trump didn't discuss the attack with NATO. Sorry, if you want have a war, it is your business..

Yes, the US was.

If Iran had been chanting "death to France" for 47 years, had killed over 1000 French citizens and military, and France finally decided they had enough and would take out the regime, we would have been right with them.

But no more.

The US was attacked numerous times by Iran. I guess 300 people dead in Lebanon in 1983 doesn't mean shit to you, does it? Just because previous administrations kicked the can down the road doesn't mean it's still not an act of war. And acts of war do not have expiration dates.

 

[CowboyTed]

Iran launched missiles at Turkey. That doesn't count?

MSN

NATO Downs New Iranian Missile in Escalating Turkey Threat

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization intercepted an Iranian missile over Turkey on Monday, the Turkish Defense Ministry said in a statement, eliminating a fourth such threat against the country in less than a month.

www.bloomberg.com

Well Turkey not US would have to invoke Article 5...

So no that doesn't count....

It would take a lot more than a few misses to get Turkey into this shit show.. No one is that dumb.