US Taxes are too low compared to the rest of the world

[Andylusion]

The US keeps borrowing money, $23T and counting, and that is "unsustainable" as reported by the GAO.
National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

The rest of the world appears to be more responsible.
How do US taxes compare internationally?
View attachment 304081

So to Balance the Budget and start paying down the Debt the US needs to seriously revamp the tax code. Here are my recommendations for a return to fiscal sanity:
A. Hire another "Grace Commission" to audit and fix the Federal budget deficit

B. Cut Spending $625b a year
1. Cut defense to 2017 levels of $600b until the Debt is reduced, saving $150b
2. Cut foreign aid $55b (until Debt is paid we can't borrow to give money away)
3. Cut Welfare $200b & Medicaid $200b (about half)
4. Cut education $20b (state responsibility)

US Government Defense Spending History with Charts - a www.usgovernmentspending.com briefing
Current US Defense Spending:
Year Military Veterans Foreign Aid Total Defense
2017 $598.70 billion $178.00 billion $46.30 billion $823.00 billion
2018 $631.20 billion $180.40 billion $49.00 billion $860.50 billion
2019 $684.60 billion $202.10 billion $54.30 billion $941.00 billion
2020 $737.90 billion $219.20 billion $53.10 billion $1.00 trillion

C. To cover the $900b budget deficit the following taxes need to be raised:
1. Raise the top tax rate about 7% above 2016 levels +$400b
2. Implement a new 3% Fed sales tax +$400b (aka VAT)
3. Implement a new transaction tax on all stocks & bonds Impose a Tax on Financial Transactions | Congressional Budget Office +$100b (stops hi-frequency traders)
4. Implement a new remittances tax/fee on all money sent out of the US https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/tax_remittances_can_build_the_wall.html 2% of $140b is +$3b a year


D. Reform entitlements, Medicare & Social Security, currently projected to be insolvent:

Social Security will be unable to meet obligations (not technically "bankrupt") in 2034, paying only 79% of owed benefits, while it will be actually bankrupt around 2090.
Social Security fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/05/21/how-warren-buffett-thinks-we-should-fix-social-sec.aspx
https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2014/11/14/5-potential-social-security-fixes
https://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-05-2012/future-of-social-security-proposals.html

Medicare will be insolvent in 2026
Medicare Fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2016/03/27/7-ways-to-fix-medicare.aspx
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/369151-fix-what-weve-got-and-make-medicare-right-this-year
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/how-to-save-and-fix-medicare
https://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/health/medicare-and-medicaid/2012-05/The-Future-Of-Medicare.pdf

So you want to raise taxes on the poor and middle class? Because that is how the rest of the world has higher taxes.
Are you openly in favor of harming the poor and middle class?

Maybe you don't comprehend the problem. The $23T Debt will eventually cause the whole economy and financial system to collapse.
The US dollar will be worthless. What happens to the poor and middle class when that happens?
The OP showed you that the rest of the world pays higher taxes and don't pay $400b a year in interest on their Debt.
So stop whining about the fucking poor and middle class, and try to see the fucking iceberg dead ahead.

Cut spending.

Look, taxing the rich doesn't work. You can't point to a single country anywhere in the world, which has taxed the rich, and had that plan work.

So you two option if you want to avoid destroying the country with debt.

A: Tax the poor and middle class, like France, which is why they had the Yellow Vest protests.
B: Cut spending. Maybe you can't just afford whatever the heck you want. Maybe you have to grow up, and be an adult, and say we don't have money for this.

Those are your two options. And by the way, option doesn't work. You jack up taxes, and you still don't have the money, which is exactly why France was jacking up taxes when they caused the Yellow Vest protests.

So option A, will eventually lead to option B anyway.

 

[Andylusion]

I chuckle when PROGS complain about debt considering their political positions on everything increases taxes & stagnates growth.

Does it? Cause Trump cut taxes and his economy is much slower than the Bill Clinton economy. Heck the tax cuts gave no noticeable boost, except to the deficit.

The Bill Clinton economy, which didn't have nearly as much regulations, and didn't have expensive Obama Care slowing it down? That economy? The one with the minimum wage at $4.25 for most of the 8 years? The economy where the Republicans pushed through welfare reform, which cut welfare and food stamp rolls by 2/3rds, and made people go to work? The economy which still had low marginal tax rates, from 70% in the 1970s, to only 39% during the 90s? That economy?

Yes, I agree. We should go back to basic fundamental economic policies that work. Agreed. If you want to repeal everything Obama did, and even some of the things Bush did that I disagree with, to go back to a more conservative economic policies, I agree 100%.

 

[Pete7469]

Even the gold backed currency depended upon faith as it was the same people telling us how much the gold was worth. Gold has no intrinsic value, it is pricey because we choose it to be so. I often laugh at all the people that stockpile gold for after the "collapse", like gold will somehow still have its value.

Hmmm....

This is the first thing I've seen you post that doesn't compel me to ridicule you, and you're pretty much correct.

Gold has value as a conductor in electronics, but other than that it is an ornament. It's value throughout history has no more basis than tulips did in Holland when futures markets were invented. The story is largely hyped, but it still serves as an example of people investing in shit that is only valuable so long as a demand is there.

I agree that people who stack gold coins as if that will do a damn thing for them in some apocalyptic scenario are fools. The only metal worth a damn at that point better be able to expel a projectile.


.

 

[Pete7469]

Whatever those costs are in trillions, they are less than what we are spending now. The United States's problem is we are not taxing the rich enough and everyone else too much. Google the only tax graph you need to know. We have a flat tax system if you count all taxes not enough to invest in America and Americans. Every other rich country manages it and we are the richest.

franco REALLY IS that stupid folks....

Never mind the fact you could steal everything from all of the top 50% of the richest people in the world and not pay off this debt.

Marxist politics are based on hate and envy, there is not a single synapse of critical thought involved, it's emotional bullshit from a bunch of ugly women and beta males that should have been eaten by predators or wandered into machinery because they're genetic waste, the bottom of the gene pool.

 

[Dragonlady]

The US keeps borrowing money, $23T and counting, and that is "unsustainable" as reported by the GAO.
National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

The rest of the world appears to be more responsible.
How do US taxes compare internationally?
View attachment 304081

So to Balance the Budget and start paying down the Debt the US needs to seriously revamp the tax code. Here are my recommendations for a return to fiscal sanity:
A. Hire another "Grace Commission" to audit and fix the Federal budget deficit

B. Cut Spending $625b a year
1. Cut defense to 2017 levels of $600b until the Debt is reduced, saving $150b
2. Cut foreign aid $55b (until Debt is paid we can't borrow to give money away)
3. Cut Welfare $200b & Medicaid $200b (about half)
4. Cut education $20b (state responsibility)

US Government Defense Spending History with Charts - a www.usgovernmentspending.com briefing
Current US Defense Spending:
Year Military Veterans Foreign Aid Total Defense
2017 $598.70 billion $178.00 billion $46.30 billion $823.00 billion
2018 $631.20 billion $180.40 billion $49.00 billion $860.50 billion
2019 $684.60 billion $202.10 billion $54.30 billion $941.00 billion
2020 $737.90 billion $219.20 billion $53.10 billion $1.00 trillion

C. To cover the $900b budget deficit the following taxes need to be raised:
1. Raise the top tax rate about 7% above 2016 levels +$400b
2. Implement a new 3% Fed sales tax +$400b (aka VAT)
3. Implement a new transaction tax on all stocks & bonds Impose a Tax on Financial Transactions | Congressional Budget Office +$100b (stops hi-frequency traders)
4. Implement a new remittances tax/fee on all money sent out of the US https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/tax_remittances_can_build_the_wall.html 2% of $140b is +$3b a year


D. Reform entitlements, Medicare & Social Security, currently projected to be insolvent:

Social Security will be unable to meet obligations (not technically "bankrupt") in 2034, paying only 79% of owed benefits, while it will be actually bankrupt around 2090.
Social Security fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/05/21/how-warren-buffett-thinks-we-should-fix-social-sec.aspx
https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2014/11/14/5-potential-social-security-fixes
https://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-05-2012/future-of-social-security-proposals.html

Medicare will be insolvent in 2026
Medicare Fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2016/03/27/7-ways-to-fix-medicare.aspx
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/369151-fix-what-weve-got-and-make-medicare-right-this-year
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/how-to-save-and-fix-medicare
https://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/health/medicare-and-medicaid/2012-05/The-Future-Of-Medicare.pdf

Why is your only "raise taxes" option to "raise taxes and cut entitlements"? Why not "raise taxes and cut the military"?

If the USA isn't going to have hundreds of thousands of troops stationed around the world, how many men and how much equipment do you need? If you're not going to get involved in other people's domestic wars, why do you need to spend ALL of this money on a war machine and then let all of this stuff get rusty.

 

[Dragonlady]

The US keeps borrowing money, $23T and counting, and that is "unsustainable" as reported by the GAO.
National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

The rest of the world appears to be more responsible.
How do US taxes compare internationally?
View attachment 304081

So to Balance the Budget and start paying down the Debt the US needs to seriously revamp the tax code. Here are my recommendations for a return to fiscal sanity:
A. Hire another "Grace Commission" to audit and fix the Federal budget deficit

B. Cut Spending $625b a year
1. Cut defense to 2017 levels of $600b until the Debt is reduced, saving $150b
2. Cut foreign aid $55b (until Debt is paid we can't borrow to give money away)
3. Cut Welfare $200b & Medicaid $200b (about half)
4. Cut education $20b (state responsibility)

US Government Defense Spending History with Charts - a www.usgovernmentspending.com briefing
Current US Defense Spending:
Year Military Veterans Foreign Aid Total Defense
2017 $598.70 billion $178.00 billion $46.30 billion $823.00 billion
2018 $631.20 billion $180.40 billion $49.00 billion $860.50 billion
2019 $684.60 billion $202.10 billion $54.30 billion $941.00 billion
2020 $737.90 billion $219.20 billion $53.10 billion $1.00 trillion

C. To cover the $900b budget deficit the following taxes need to be raised:
1. Raise the top tax rate about 7% above 2016 levels +$400b
2. Implement a new 3% Fed sales tax +$400b (aka VAT)
3. Implement a new transaction tax on all stocks & bonds Impose a Tax on Financial Transactions | Congressional Budget Office +$100b (stops hi-frequency traders)
4. Implement a new remittances tax/fee on all money sent out of the US https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/tax_remittances_can_build_the_wall.html 2% of $140b is +$3b a year


D. Reform entitlements, Medicare & Social Security, currently projected to be insolvent:

Social Security will be unable to meet obligations (not technically "bankrupt") in 2034, paying only 79% of owed benefits, while it will be actually bankrupt around 2090.
Social Security fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/05/21/how-warren-buffett-thinks-we-should-fix-social-sec.aspx
https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2014/11/14/5-potential-social-security-fixes
https://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-05-2012/future-of-social-security-proposals.html

Medicare will be insolvent in 2026
Medicare Fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2016/03/27/7-ways-to-fix-medicare.aspx
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/369151-fix-what-weve-got-and-make-medicare-right-this-year
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/how-to-save-and-fix-medicare
https://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/health/medicare-and-medicaid/2012-05/The-Future-Of-Medicare.pdf

So you want to raise taxes on the poor and middle class? Because that is how the rest of the world has higher taxes.
Are you openly in favor of harming the poor and middle class?

Maybe you don't comprehend the problem. The $23T Debt will eventually cause the whole economy and financial system to collapse.
The US dollar will be worthless. What happens to the poor and middle class when that happens?
The OP showed you that the rest of the world pays higher taxes and don't pay $400b a year in interest on their Debt.
So stop whining about the fucking poor and middle class, and try to see the fucking iceberg dead ahead.

Cut spending.

Look, taxing the rich doesn't work. You can't point to a single country anywhere in the world, which has taxed the rich, and had that plan work.

So you two option if you want to avoid destroying the country with debt.

A: Tax the poor and middle class, like France, which is why they had the Yellow Vest protests.
B: Cut spending. Maybe you can't just afford whatever the heck you want. Maybe you have to grow up, and be an adult, and say we don't have money for this.

Those are your two options. And by the way, option doesn't work. You jack up taxes, and you still don't have the money, which is exactly why France was jacking up taxes when they caused the Yellow Vest protests.

So option A, will eventually lead to option B anyway.

What an ignorant post!

1. Tax the rich;

2. Cut military spending, by half;

3. Transition to single payer, universal health care. Bring Big Pharma to heel;

4. Start investing in infratstructure and education;

5. Make retraining of the unemployed and underemployed production workers a priority;

6. Pass a $15 minimum wage.

 

[theHawk]

The US keeps borrowing money, $23T and counting, and that is "unsustainable" as reported by the GAO.
National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

The rest of the world appears to be more responsible.
How do US taxes compare internationally?
View attachment 304081

So to Balance the Budget and start paying down the Debt the US needs to seriously revamp the tax code. Here are my recommendations for a return to fiscal sanity:
A. Hire another "Grace Commission" to audit and fix the Federal budget deficit

B. Cut Spending $625b a year
1. Cut defense to 2017 levels of $600b until the Debt is reduced, saving $150b
2. Cut foreign aid $55b (until Debt is paid we can't borrow to give money away)
3. Cut Welfare $200b & Medicaid $200b (about half)
4. Cut education $20b (state responsibility)

US Government Defense Spending History with Charts - a www.usgovernmentspending.com briefing
Current US Defense Spending:
Year Military Veterans Foreign Aid Total Defense
2017 $598.70 billion $178.00 billion $46.30 billion $823.00 billion
2018 $631.20 billion $180.40 billion $49.00 billion $860.50 billion
2019 $684.60 billion $202.10 billion $54.30 billion $941.00 billion
2020 $737.90 billion $219.20 billion $53.10 billion $1.00 trillion

C. To cover the $900b budget deficit the following taxes need to be raised:
1. Raise the top tax rate about 7% above 2016 levels +$400b
2. Implement a new 3% Fed sales tax +$400b (aka VAT)
3. Implement a new transaction tax on all stocks & bonds Impose a Tax on Financial Transactions | Congressional Budget Office +$100b (stops hi-frequency traders)
4. Implement a new remittances tax/fee on all money sent out of the US https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/tax_remittances_can_build_the_wall.html 2% of $140b is +$3b a year


D. Reform entitlements, Medicare & Social Security, currently projected to be insolvent:

Social Security will be unable to meet obligations (not technically "bankrupt") in 2034, paying only 79% of owed benefits, while it will be actually bankrupt around 2090.
Social Security fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/05/21/how-warren-buffett-thinks-we-should-fix-social-sec.aspx
https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2014/11/14/5-potential-social-security-fixes
https://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-05-2012/future-of-social-security-proposals.html

Medicare will be insolvent in 2026
Medicare Fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2016/03/27/7-ways-to-fix-medicare.aspx
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/369151-fix-what-weve-got-and-make-medicare-right-this-year
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/how-to-save-and-fix-medicare
https://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/health/medicare-and-medicaid/2012-05/The-Future-Of-Medicare.pdf

We should raise taxes on the richest states, CA and NY, by 200%.

 

[Dick Foster]

The US keeps borrowing money, $23T and counting, and that is "unsustainable" as reported by the GAO.
National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

The rest of the world appears to be more responsible.
How do US taxes compare internationally?
View attachment 304081

So to Balance the Budget and start paying down the Debt the US needs to seriously revamp the tax code. Here are my recommendations for a return to fiscal sanity:
A. Hire another "Grace Commission" to audit and fix the Federal budget deficit

B. Cut Spending $625b a year
1. Cut defense to 2017 levels of $600b until the Debt is reduced, saving $150b
2. Cut foreign aid $55b (until Debt is paid we can't borrow to give money away)
3. Cut Welfare $200b & Medicaid $200b (about half)
4. Cut education $20b (state responsibility)

US Government Defense Spending History with Charts - a www.usgovernmentspending.com briefing
Current US Defense Spending:
Year Military Veterans Foreign Aid Total Defense
2017 $598.70 billion $178.00 billion $46.30 billion $823.00 billion
2018 $631.20 billion $180.40 billion $49.00 billion $860.50 billion
2019 $684.60 billion $202.10 billion $54.30 billion $941.00 billion
2020 $737.90 billion $219.20 billion $53.10 billion $1.00 trillion

C. To cover the $900b budget deficit the following taxes need to be raised:
1. Raise the top tax rate about 7% above 2016 levels +$400b
2. Implement a new 3% Fed sales tax +$400b (aka VAT)
3. Implement a new transaction tax on all stocks & bonds Impose a Tax on Financial Transactions | Congressional Budget Office +$100b (stops hi-frequency traders)
4. Implement a new remittances tax/fee on all money sent out of the US https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/tax_remittances_can_build_the_wall.html 2% of $140b is +$3b a year


D. Reform entitlements, Medicare & Social Security, currently projected to be insolvent:

Social Security will be unable to meet obligations (not technically "bankrupt") in 2034, paying only 79% of owed benefits, while it will be actually bankrupt around 2090.
Social Security fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/05/21/how-warren-buffett-thinks-we-should-fix-social-sec.aspx
https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2014/11/14/5-potential-social-security-fixes
https://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-05-2012/future-of-social-security-proposals.html

Medicare will be insolvent in 2026
Medicare Fixes:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2016/03/27/7-ways-to-fix-medicare.aspx
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/369151-fix-what-weve-got-and-make-medicare-right-this-year
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/how-to-save-and-fix-medicare
https://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/health/medicare-and-medicaid/2012-05/The-Future-Of-Medicare.pdf

Why is your only "raise taxes" option to "raise taxes and cut entitlements"? Why not "raise taxes and cut the military"?

If the USA isn't going to have hundreds of thousands of troops stationed around the world, how many men and how much equipment do you need? If you're not going to get involved in other people's domestic wars, why do you need to spend ALL of this money on a war machine and then let all of this stuff get rusty.

You're absolutely clueless. Were you always as stupid as you are now? Did it creep up on you or did it pounce all of a sudden or were you simply born stupid and have stayed that way?

 

[Dr Grump]

"Taxes are too low" said nobody ever.

At least not in this country full of freeloaders like you that are happy to push their debt off on to the future generations.

GFY. I pay my own way. I need nothing from the government and don't vote for FreeSHitArmy candidates.

So you have your own sanitation system, own water supply and don't drive on roads. Cool. Must be a pretty boring life.

 

[Dr Grump]

You're absolutely clueless. Were you always as stupid as you are now? Did it creep up on you or did it pounce all of a sudden or were you simply born stupid and have stayed that way?

oh no...you can't touch the sacred cow that is the military...<rolls eyes>...

 

[JGalt]

"Taxes are too low" said nobody ever.

At least not in this country full of freeloaders like you that are happy to push their debt off on to the future generations.

GFY. I pay my own way. I need nothing from the government and don't vote for FreeSHitArmy candidates.

So you have your own sanitation system, own water supply and don't drive on roads. Cool. Must be a pretty boring life.

Why yes I do. I have my own septic system, my own well, and I pay for the roads with my gas, country, state, and federal taxes.

If it makes your life more exciting by paying more in taxes, knock yerself out.

 

[whitehall]

Why is the National Debt an issue only during republican administrations? Hypocrite lefties fail to point out that congressional spending is mostly responsible for the Debt and the President only signs the checks. Strangely enough the socialist left doesn't seem to be willing to curb reckless spending but would rather punish middle class taxpayers with confiscatory taxes. A roaring economy is the best way to lower the Debit but lefties are afraid of it because they will lose control.

 

[Dr Grump]

"Taxes are too low" said nobody ever.

At least not in this country full of freeloaders like you that are happy to push their debt off on to the future generations.

GFY. I pay my own way. I need nothing from the government and don't vote for FreeSHitArmy candidates.

So you have your own sanitation system, own water supply and don't drive on roads. Cool. Must be a pretty boring life.

Why yes I do. I have my own septic system, my own well, and I pay for the roads with my gas, country, state, and federal taxes.

If it makes your life more exciting by paying more in taxes, knock yerself out.

So you do pay taxes. So does everyone else.

 

[francoHFW]

Whatever those costs are in trillions, they are less than what we are spending now. The United States's problem is we are not taxing the rich enough and everyone else too much. Google the only tax graph you need to know. We have a flat tax system if you count all taxes not enough to invest in America and Americans. Every other rich country manages it and we are the richest.

franco REALLY IS that stupid folks....

Never mind the fact you could steal everything from all of the top 50% of the richest people in the world and not pay off this debt.

Marxist politics are based on hate and envy, there is not a single synapse of critical thought involved, it's emotional bullshit from a bunch of ugly women and beta males that should have been eaten by predators or wandered into machinery because they're genetic waste, the bottom of the gene pool.

Only fools are in favor of a flat tax system, a huge giveaway to the rich and a screw job for everyone else. You are totally misinformed by the GOP propaganda machine a disgrace. All Trump had to do to take over the GOP was parrot ridiculous conspiracy theories and character assassination and Misinformation, GOP propaganda in short.

 

[bripat9643]

"Taxes are too low" said nobody ever.

At least not in this country full of freeloaders like you that are happy to push their debt off on to the future generations.

GFY. I pay my own way. I need nothing from the government and don't vote for FreeSHitArmy candidates.

So you have your own sanitation system, own water supply and don't drive on roads. Cool. Must be a pretty boring life.

My parents had a house that was hooked up to privately owned sewer and water supply, do that argument is utterly vapid. There are also numerous private roads.

 

[francoHFW]

Why is the National Debt an issue only during republican administrations? Hypocrite lefties fail to point out that congressional spending is mostly responsible for the Debt and the President only signs the checks. Strangely enough the socialist left doesn't seem to be willing to curb reckless spending but would rather punish middle class taxpayers with confiscatory taxes. A roaring economy is the best way to lower the Debit but lefties are afraid of it because they will lose control.

No Democrat is in favor of more taxes for the middle class, au contraire. God knows what misinformation you're babbling about....

 

[bripat9643]

Why is the National Debt an issue only during republican administrations? Hypocrite lefties fail to point out that congressional spending is mostly responsible for the Debt and the President only signs the checks. Strangely enough the socialist left doesn't seem to be willing to curb reckless spending but would rather punish middle class taxpayers with confiscatory taxes. A roaring economy is the best way to lower the Debit but lefties are afraid of it because they will lose control.

No Democrat is in favor of more taxes for the middle class, au contraire. God knows what misinformation you're babbling about....

They have raised taxes on the middle class hundreds of times.

 

[francoHFW]

Why is the National Debt an issue only during republican administrations? Hypocrite lefties fail to point out that congressional spending is mostly responsible for the Debt and the President only signs the checks. Strangely enough the socialist left doesn't seem to be willing to curb reckless spending but would rather punish middle class taxpayers with confiscatory taxes. A roaring economy is the best way to lower the Debit but lefties are afraid of it because they will lose control.

This is Trump's budget. This economy is no better than Obama's was. And just more inequality and crap upward mobility with these GOP tax rates.

 

[Dr Grump]

"Taxes are too low" said nobody ever.

At least not in this country full of freeloaders like you that are happy to push their debt off on to the future generations.

GFY. I pay my own way. I need nothing from the government and don't vote for FreeSHitArmy candidates.

So you have your own sanitation system, own water supply and don't drive on roads. Cool. Must be a pretty boring life.

My parents had a house that was hooked up to privately owned sewer and water supply, do that argument is utterly vapid. There are also numerous private roads.

Cool. So, try getting from A to B using just private roads. And how many of said private roads have YOU built and do YOU own?

And are you hooked up to privately owned sewer and water supply? If not, STFU and pay your taxes.

 

[Dr Grump]

Marxist politics are based on hate and envy, there is not a single synapse of critical thought involved, it's emotional bullshit from a bunch of ugly women and beta males that should have been eaten by predators or wandered into machinery because they're genetic waste, the bottom of the gene pool.

And if every Deplorable had to do an IQ test to be able to vote, Trump would have lost 30 per cent of his votes (at least)...