US Needs to Get Out of Ukraine and NATO

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump is an asshole.

So are his supporters.

 

[GLASNOST]

Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day.​

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He could have easily done so, and still can. Putin stated his goals from day one. Had Trump agreed to Putin's terms the war would have ended before the ink was dry. As it stands Trump hasn't committed to the absolute end to weapons supplies to Zoolinsky. The MIC may not have Trump by the balls but they do still have a hold on him.​

 

[Deadstick]

Sorry but I don't accept your 'facts' as facts and not spin, propaganda, or disinformation.

So you have alternative facts that only exist in your head and Truman show World you live in.

 

[Deadstick]

Trump is an asshole.

So are his supporters.

We know that but Genocide Joe Biden was a Geriatric nutter who had lost his mind so you have a big problem in the US, there is always Musk and the America party, what a joke American Politics are.

 

[GLASNOST]

So you have alternative facts that only exist in your head .....

... which eliminates them as "facts" ... alternative or otherwise.

 

[Deadstick]

... which eliminates them as "facts" ... alternative or otherwise.

Correct but that is the crazy World they live in.

 

[GLASNOST]

Correct but that is the crazy World they live in.

They've taken the wrong tablets.

 

[alang1216]

So you have alternative facts that only exist in your head and Truman show World you live in.

If you consider 'alternative facts' being Wikipedia, US State Dep't, and commercial media outlets, then yes. Weighed against an anonymous internet poster, I'll choose the former.

 

[there4eyeM]

"US Needs to Get Out of Ukraine and NATO"​

This is certainly true if Putin is to have his dreams come true. Anyone stating this is obviously working toward that goal.

 

[Deadstick]

They've taken the wrong tablets.

I must have a word with their ward orderlies.

 

[Deadstick]

If you consider 'alternative facts' being Wikipedia, US State Dep't, and commercial media outlets, then yes. Weighed against an anonymous internet poster, I'll choose the former.

Of course anyone with any sense doesn't take those sources seriously, you never told me what facts i got wrong in my first post, you know the ones you didn't recognize, maybe you can help me out?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So you have alternative facts that only exist in your head and Truman show World you live in.

You "alternative facts" are only opinion, Deadstick. They are meaningless.

 

[defcon4]

If you had followed what has happened in Ukraine since 2014 you must know there was a coup instigated by America supported by the EU, the legal elected government of Yanukovych was overthrown Porochenko then declared war on his own citizens in Dombass because they didn't support the Coup, ethnic Russians were attacked and killed Cities like Donetsk were shelled with many civilians killed anti Maidan protesters were burned alive some beaten to death in Odessa by a Fascist mob and Porochenko turned the army and Nazi gangs like Azov and Tornado loose on the people in Donbass, so the ethnic Russians got organised and fought back and taught the Ukrainians a lesson, meanwhile the Maidan leadership would have given the Russian naval base in Sebastopol to NATO where the Russian Black Sea Fleet was based, now if they thought Russia would tolerate that they should have had their heads tested, mistake Russia made was waiting until 2022 to go in, they should have done it in 2014, as for Russia in 1918 there was a revolution against the Monarchy not against any sort of Democracy which was a totally different situation and not the business of those Western Countries who intervened to stop the revolution, now that is a brief history of those events not an opinion but facts not some alternative reality in your head.

...also, an international monitoring group watched the polls where the denizens of Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. The ballots were cast under the watchful eyes of the international monitoring group. I don't even go there how Crimea became a part of Ukraine. It is here
Most of the NPCs don't even know the proper geographical location of European countries. Everything east from Germany is Eastern Europe. Don't waste your time on them they are uneducated parrots getting their talking points from their upper echelons. Although, I understand that you want to disseminate the truth about the situation.

 

[Deadstick]

...also, an international monitoring group watched the polls where the denizens of Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. The ballots were cast under the watchful eyes of the international monitoring group. I don't even go there how Crimea became a part of Ukraine. It is here
Most of the NPCs don't even know the proper geographical location of European countries. Everything east from Germany is Eastern Europe. Don't waste your time on them they are uneducated parrots getting their talking points from their upper echelons. Although, I understand that you want to disseminate the truth about the situation.

Yes indeed it's ignorance on steroids but we have to try and educate these people, but many don't want to be educated.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

...also, an international monitoring group watched the polls where the denizens of Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. The ballots were cast under the watchful eyes of the international monitoring group. I don't even go there how Crimea became a part of Ukraine. It is here
Most of the NPCs don't even know the proper geographical location of European countries. Everything east from Germany is Eastern Europe. Don't waste your time on them they are uneducated parrots getting their talking points from their upper echelons. Although, I understand that you want to disseminate the truth about the situation.

It was a rigged election by the Russians.

 

[defcon4]

It was a rigged election by the Russians.

Sure.

 

[alang1216]

Of course anyone with any sense doesn't take those sources seriously, you never told me what facts i got wrong in my first post, you know the ones you didn't recognize, maybe you can help me out?

Check here. For example, you claimed Guido and Navalny were criminals. They may have been charged by a corrupt regime for political purposes but that doesn't make them criminals, that makes them patriots and martyrs.

 

[Deadstick]

Check here. For example, you claimed Guido and Navalny were criminals. They may have been charged by a corrupt regime for political purposes but that doesn't make them criminals, that makes them patriots and martyrs.

Behave yourself, patriots don't sell their Countries to foreign powers.

 

[alang1216]

Behave yourself, patriots don't sell their Countries to foreign powers.

If the evidence comes from the Russian government, I'm very skeptical.

 

[Deadstick]

If the evidence comes from the Russian government, I'm very skeptical.

If it comes from the US state dept and the Western MSM i'm very skeptical because they are proven liars, facts are facts that can't be disputed, it's a fact that the elected Ukrainian Government was overthrown after Maidan in 2014, it's a fact Poroschenko ordered the Ukrainian army to attack people in Donbass starting a civil war and shelled it for years,it's a fact Bandera ideology got hold of the Ukrainian education system and Government, it's a fact the Ukrainian Bandera thugs burned and beat people to death in the Odessa trade Union building, those are facts not my opinion.