US Needs to Get Out of Ukraine and NATO

[alang1216]

So what business was that civil war of those Countries who invaded? it's the same Countries who think they have a right to Rule other Countries today,

<hypocricy>Russia claims that Ukrainians are Russians but also claim they invaded Ukraine to save the Russians living in Ukraine. So what business was that civil war of Russia? Do you and Russia think they have a right to Rule other Countries today,</hypocricy>

 

[Deadstick]

<hypocricy>Russia claims that Ukrainians are Russians but also claim they invaded Ukraine to save the Russians living in Ukraine. So what business was that civil war of Russia? Do you and Russia think they have a right to Rule other Countries today,</hypocricy>

If you had followed what has happened in Ukraine since 2014 you must know there was a coup instigated by America supported by the EU, the legal elected government of Yanukovych was overthrown Porochenko then declared war on his own citizens in Dombass because they didn't support the Coup, ethnic Russians were attacked and killed Cities like Donetsk were shelled with many civilians killed anti Maidan protesters were burned alive some beaten to death in Odessa by a Fascist mob and Porochenko turned the army and Nazi gangs like Azov and Tornado loose on the people in Donbass, so the ethnic Russians got organised and fought back and taught the Ukrainians a lesson, meanwhile the Maidan leadership would have given the Russian naval base in Sebastopol to NATO where the Russian Black Sea Fleet was based, now if they thought Russia would tolerate that they should have had their heads tested, mistake Russia made was waiting until 2022 to go in, they should have done it in 2014, as for Russia in 1918 there was a revolution against the Monarchy not against any sort of Democracy which was a totally different situation and not the business of those Western Countries who intervened to stop the revolution, now that is a brief history of those events not an opinion but facts not some alternative reality in your head.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We knew the takeover was legit and approved by Europe and the US.

Russia said, "yeah yeah," then started aiding the criminals and banditti in the four eastern oblast.

 

[alang1216]

If you had followed what has happened in Ukraine since 2014 you must know there was a coup instigated by America supported by the EU, the legal elected government of Yanukovych was overthrown Porochenko then declared war on his own citizens in Dombass because they didn't support the Coup, ethnic Russians were attacked and killed Cities like Donetsk were shelled with many civilians killed anti Maidan protesters were burned alive some beaten to death in Odessa by a Fascist mob and Porochenko turned the army and Nazi gangs like Azov and Tornado loose on the people in Donbass, so the ethnic Russians got organised and fought back and taught the Ukrainians a lesson, meanwhile the Maidan leadership would have given the Russian naval base in Sebastopol to NATO where the Russian Black Sea Fleet was based, now if they thought Russia would tolerate that they should have had their heads tested, mistake Russia made was waiting until 2022 to go in, they should have done it in 2014,

A very Russian spin on history but I don't buy it.

as for Russia in 1918 there was a revolution against the Monarchy not against any sort of Democracy which was a totally different situation and not the business of those Western Countries who intervened to stop the revolution, now that is a brief history of those events not an opinion but facts not some alternative reality in your head.

The Monarchist and the revolutionaries were Russian so it was unquestionably a Civil War. The Monarchist didn't believe in democracy but neither did the revolutionaries. The Western view that I share is that Russia is NOT a democracy but Ukraine is so if you claim 1918 was not the business of other countries, the same should be said of the situation in Ukraine.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Russians should be parceled out as serfs to the world, particularly, though, to Ukraine and Poland.

 

[Deadstick]

A very Russian spin on history but I don't buy it.


The Monarchist and the revolutionaries were Russian so it was unquestionably a Civil War. The Monarchist didn't believe in democracy but neither did the revolutionaries. The Western view that I share is that Russia is NOT a democracy but Ukraine is so if you claim 1918 was not the business of other countries, the same should be said of the situation in Ukraine.

Russia IS a democracy but not to you because the Russian people keep electing the wrong guy, and Ukraine is certainly no Democracy as i already said they overthrew the elected Government in 2014, that isn't Russian spin it's a fact, Zelenesky at this time isn't even elected, Ukraine is a corrupt gangster State and a Oligarchy, and what has happened in Ukraine IS Russia's business as i have said, they don't want Nato missiles on the Ukraine Russian border pointing at Moscow just like the US didn't want Russian missiles in Cuba, NATO has moved hundreds of miles East towards Russia after being told when the Berlin wall came down they wouldn't move one inch East it isn't rocket science.

 

[GLASNOST]

If you had followed what has happened in Ukraine since 2014 you must know there was a coup instigated by America supported by the EU, the legal elected government of Yanukovych was overthrown Porochenko then declared war on his own citizens in Dombass because they didn't support the Coup, ethnic Russians were attacked and killed Cities like Donetsk were shelled with many civilians killed anti Maidan protesters were burned alive some beaten to death in Odessa by a Fascist mob and Porochenko turned the army and Nazi gangs like Azov and Tornado loose on the people in Donbass, so the ethnic Russians got organised and fought back and taught the Ukrainians a lesson, meanwhile the Maidan leadership would have given the Russian naval base in Sebastopol to NATO where the Russian Black Sea Fleet was based, now if they thought Russia would tolerate that they should have had their heads tested, mistake Russia made was waiting until 2022 to go in, they should have done it in 2014, as for Russia in 1918 there was a revolution against the Monarchy not against any sort of Democracy which was a totally different situation and not the business of those Western Countries who intervened to stop the revolution, now that is a brief history of those events not an opinion but facts not some alternative reality in your head

You are speaking to idiots. They are voluntary illiterates. The MSM never told them any of that so they reckon it’s all untrue.

Zelenesky at this time isn't even elected

His tenure expired ..... I forgot the date. A couple of years ago.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, Deadstick, you and Russia are all at the bottom of the heap.

 

[alang1216]

Russia IS a democracy but not to you because the Russian people keep electing the wrong guy,

What choice do they have, Alexei Navalny is dead.

and Ukraine is certainly no Democracy as i already said they overthrew the elected Government in 2014, that isn't Russian spin it's a fact,

Russian spin. The election was suspect so the people rose up and threw him out.

Zelenesky at this time isn't even elected, Ukraine is a corrupt gangster State and a Oligarchy,

Hard to hold elections when a large portion of your country is occupied.

and what has happened in Ukraine IS Russia's business as i have said, they don't want Nato missiles on the Ukraine Russian border pointing at Moscow just like the US didn't want Russian missiles in Cuba, NATO has moved hundreds of miles East towards Russia after being told when the Berlin wall came down they wouldn't move one inch East it isn't rocket science.

Those countries chose to join NATO. I don't see Russia has any legitimate fears.

 

[Deadstick]

What choice do they have, Alexei Navalny is dead.


Russian spin. The election was suspect so the people rose up and threw him out.


Hard to hold elections when a large portion of your country is occupied.


Those countries chose to join NATO. I don't see Russia has any legitimate fears.

The election was not suspect, Navalny was a nobody and Western intel asset who had little support, i could call the election in my Country suspect but i wouldn't have the right to storm Parliament with an AK, you are full of shit.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The election was not suspect, Navalny was a nobody and Western intel asset who had little support, i could call the election in my Country suspect but i wouldn't have the right to storm Parliament with an AK, you are full of shit.

Your govt is so much more corrupt and evil than the UK and the US.

 

[alang1216]

The election was not suspect, Navalny was a nobody and Western intel asset who had little support, i could call the election in my Country suspect but i wouldn't have the right to storm Parliament with an AK, you are full of shit.

If Navalny had so little support why was he poisoned and then arrested? Sounds like Putin considered him a threat.

 

[Deadstick]

Your govt is so much more corrupt and evil than the UK and the US.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So evil

 

[JanetTheGreat]

It is good to see some here share my same view. NATO is a waste and the US would be better off without it. Ukraine's government was one of the most corrupt in Europe before the war, and after the war, the media glazes over the fact that they have Neo-Nazis are all over in their army? Give me a break. I have no sympathy for Ukraine. They started this whole mess by provoking Russia. Russia is corrupt too, they are no saint, however I'm tired of all this media noise telling me to feel sorry for a nation ran by beggars and oligarchs.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Maybe less than six share your opinions here.

 

[Deadstick]

If Navalny had so little support why was he poisoned and then arrested? Sounds like Putin considered him a threat.

Let us look at the facts, he was said to have taken ill on a aircraft on a flight from Tomsk to Moscow and was hospitalized the Doctors checked his health but found no such thing as Novichok, then for some reason allowed him to be transported to a NATO Country Germany where surprise surprise they Germns said they found evidence of Novichok, first thing is if Russia wanted to kill Navalny they wouldn't use a deadly nerve agent inside Russia and why would they allow Navalny to be sent to Germany if they had used Novichok on him? it's bullshit, that was the first false flag, do you know who are the main opposition party in Russia? it's the Communist party, the problem with your Regime and politicians they think they have the right to decide who rules other Countries, just look at the clown they said was the real President of Venezuela Juan Guido who didn't even take part in the election.

 

[Deadstick]

It is good to see some here share my same view. NATO is a waste and the US would be better off without it. Ukraine's government was one of the most corrupt in Europe before the war, and after the war, the media glazes over the fact that they have Neo-Nazis are all over in their army? Give me a break. I have no sympathy for Ukraine. They started this whole mess by provoking Russia. Russia is corrupt too, they are no saint, however I'm tired of all this media noise telling me to feel sorry for a nation ran by beggars and oligarchs.

What people need to know is NATO is nothing to do with defence, it's the biggest Pyramid selling scam in History led by the arms companies,many people are just stupid that's the problem who pay their taxes to the industrial military complex and the scam.

 

[alang1216]

Let us look at the facts, he was said to have taken ill on a aircraft on a flight from Tomsk to Moscow and was hospitalized the Doctors checked his health but found no such thing as Novichok, then for some reason allowed him to be transported to a NATO Country Germany where surprise surprise they Germns said they found evidence of Novichok, first thing is if Russia wanted to kill Navalny they wouldn't use a deadly nerve agent inside Russia and why would they allow Navalny to be sent to Germany if they had used Novichok on him? it's bullshit, that was the first false flag, do you know who are the main opposition party in Russia? it's the Communist party, the problem with your Regime and politicians they think they have the right to decide who rules other Countries, just look at the clown they said was the real President of Venezuela Juan Guido who didn't even take part in the election.

Sorry but I don't recognize the history you claim. Also, it is funny how both Russian and Venezuelan opposition candidates get charged with various crimes that prevent them from running in elections.

 

[Deadstick]

Sorry but I don't recognize the history you claim. Also, it is funny how both Russian and Venezuelan opposition candidates get charged with various crimes that prevent them from running in elections.

What do you men you don't recognize the history are you retarded? it's quite simple to understand, just what don't you recognize? well they were criminals and Guido didn't even take part in the election, one of Navalny's people was caught red handed meeting a so called British Embassy official which means MI6 he was recorded by the FSB in a Cafe telling the British agent if we had more money it would help to undermine Putin, Navalny was a traitor, there were traitors like him in WW2 under Vlasov different time same filth.