US Might free Jonathan Pollard

[JoeB131]

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We already know how you feel about Israel and the Jews from the disgusting comments you made.
For 66 years, we've been hearing that Israel will be destroyed by this way or that way. After a while, it gets kind of boring.
But the thing is, Israel has existed beyond peoples beliefs. And in 40 years, haters like you will still be saying ' Israel will not exist in 40 years' .

Guy, please don't make this about "the Jews". A lot of the Jewish Community is about as embarrassed by Israel's behavior as the rest of the world is.

In fact, the Zionists new best friends are Fundimentalist Christians who want Israel around so Jesus can come back.

Point is, Israel hasn't won a war without help since 1967, and it's kind of hard to justify to Americans why we need to keep sending our tax dollars over there when our schools and roads are crumbling.

 

[toastman]

I've never said anything about the Holocaust other than to say it was a terrible thing.

However, it doesn't excuse what the Zionists do to the Palestinians, any more than "Dad Beat Me" justifies a life of crime.

That is what happens when the Arabs initiate Wars. Should have accepted Israels right to exist before 1967.

Okay, let's look at those wars.

1948- Started when the Zionists attacked the British authorities, and the Arab League attacke them in turn.

1956- Israel conspired with France and the UK to seize the Suez Canal.

1967- Israel struck first.

1973- this one the arabs started.

1982- Oops, sorry, Israel invaded Lebanon.

So maybe Israel should stop attacking her neighbors.

Wow. Massive fail by you, again.

1948 5 Arab countries surrounded Israel and attacked

1956 Egyptian aggression started the war

1967 Israel made a pre emptive strike on Egypt after they massed troops by Israels borders while making threats of annihation. Egypt also closed the Straits if Tiran which Israel said beforehand hand would be a declaration of war. Israel tries diplomatic solutions and once they failed, Israel attacked first. Firing the first shot doesn't always mean starting the war.


1973 you're right


1982 Do you even know why Israel invaded Lebanon?? My guess is no

2006 Hezbollah fired rockets at Israel and then killed 5 soldiers and captured 2 of their corpses.


In conclusion, every war was started by Arab aggression.

 

[toastman]

Don't take this the wrong way, but frankly, there's going to be a point where the Israelis are going to realize that moving to a place where your neighbors are willing to strap bombs onto their children to kill you isn't a place any sensible person would want to live.

Actually, I suspect when the Zionists fall, America will end up taking most of them.

'When the Zionists fall'
*yawn*. Wake me up when that happens

Oh, and Arabs strap bombs on themselves in many other places in the ME . It has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Islam.
Very idiotic statement

Really? WHere are Bomb vests mentioned in the Koran? Being the Koranic Scholar that you are, you can point this out to us.

Huh? When did I say anything a out the Koran.
I said that suicide bombing is Muslim/Arab tactic. Jeez !

 

[toastman]

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We already know how you feel about Israel and the Jews from the disgusting comments you made.
For 66 years, we've been hearing that Israel will be destroyed by this way or that way. After a while, it gets kind of boring.
But the thing is, Israel has existed beyond peoples beliefs. And in 40 years, haters like you will still be saying ' Israel will not exist in 40 years' .

Guy, please don't make this about "the Jews". A lot of the Jewish Community is about as embarrassed by Israel's behavior as the rest of the world is.

In fact, the Zionists new best friends are Fundimentalist Christians who want Israel around so Jesus can come back.

Point is, Israel hasn't won a war without help since 1967, and it's kind of hard to justify to Americans why we need to keep sending our tax dollars over there when our schools and roads are crumbling.

Wow. Talk about veering off into a different topic

 

[toastman]

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We already know how you feel about Israel and the Jews from the disgusting comments you made.
For 66 years, we've been hearing that Israel will be destroyed by this way or that way. After a while, it gets kind of boring.
But the thing is, Israel has existed beyond peoples beliefs. And in 40 years, haters like you will still be saying ' Israel will not exist in 40 years' .

Guy, please don't make this about "the Jews". A lot of the Jewish Community is about as embarrassed by Israel's behavior as the rest of the world is.

In fact, the Zionists new best friends are Fundimentalist Christians who want Israel around so Jesus can come back.

Point is, Israel hasn't won a war without help since 1967, and it's kind of hard to justify to Americans why we need to keep sending our tax dollars over there when our schools and roads are crumbling.

Im not making this 'about Jews' . If we were strictly talking about Israel I would not have said that.
I'm refferring to the disgusting comments you've made in the past.

We get it Joe, you hate Israel and want her to be destroyed! People like you are a dime a dozen

 

[JoeB131]

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Wow. Massive fail by you, again.

1948 5 Arab countries surrounded Israel and attacked

Because the Zionists illegally set up a Jewish State and took Arab land.

1956 Egyptian aggression started the war

No, they took back what was RIGHTFULLY theirs. The French and British were the interlopers. Even Eisenhower told them to knock it off.

1967 Israel made a pre emptive strike on Egypt after they massed troops by Israels borders while making threats of annihation. Israel tries diplomatic solutions and once they failed, Israel attacked first. Firing the first shot doesn't always mean starting the war.

Yeah, actually, it does.

1982 Do you even know why Israel invaded Lebanon?? My guess is no

Because they were chasing the PLO.

2006 Hezbollah fired rockets at Israel and then killed 5 soldiers and captured 2 of their corpses.

And that worked out so well for them.

In conclusion, every war was started by Arab aggression.

You mean defending Arab land against European Interlopers.

So you won't mind if the CHinese come into your neighborhood tomorrow and take your house? What if htey had a stone tablet inscribed by Bhudda?

 

[Sally]

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We already know how you feel about Israel and the Jews from the disgusting comments you made.
For 66 years, we've been hearing that Israel will be destroyed by this way or that way. After a while, it gets kind of boring.
But the thing is, Israel has existed beyond peoples beliefs. And in 40 years, haters like you will still be saying ' Israel will not exist in 40 years' .

Guy, please don't make this about "the Jews". A lot of the Jewish Community is about as embarrassed by Israel's behavior as the rest of the world is.

In fact, the Zionists new best friends are Fundimentalist Christians who want Israel around so Jesus can come back.

Point is, Israel hasn't won a war without help since 1967, and it's kind of hard to justify to Americans why we need to keep sending our tax dollars over there when our schools and roads are crumbling.

Regardless of a retired Naval Intelligence Officer who used to post and said that if Americans knew just how much the Israelis helped America that American citizens wouldn't begrudge Israel anyhing, most of the money allocated to Israel must be spent here in our defense industry, which gives jobs to American people. While people are always talking about this like you are, Joe, you completely overlook the tons of money we give to other countries, money which ends up in the pockets of dictators and tyrants and their cronies.

 

[JoeB131]

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We already know how you feel about Israel and the Jews from the disgusting comments you made.
For 66 years, we've been hearing that Israel will be destroyed by this way or that way. After a while, it gets kind of boring.
But the thing is, Israel has existed beyond peoples beliefs. And in 40 years, haters like you will still be saying ' Israel will not exist in 40 years' .

Guy, please don't make this about "the Jews". A lot of the Jewish Community is about as embarrassed by Israel's behavior as the rest of the world is.

In fact, the Zionists new best friends are Fundimentalist Christians who want Israel around so Jesus can come back.

Point is, Israel hasn't won a war without help since 1967, and it's kind of hard to justify to Americans why we need to keep sending our tax dollars over there when our schools and roads are crumbling.

Im not making this 'about Jews' . If we were strictly talking about Israel I would not have said that.
I'm refferring to the disgusting comments you've made in the past.

We get it Joe, you hate Israel and want her to be destroyed! People like you are a dime a dozen

Please point out any comments I've made about "the Jews", guy.

We'll wait.

Don't worry, you won't find any.

My issue is with Zionism (I like it better under it's original title, Aparthied)

I would prefer the Zionists come to their senses and realize that's really not a part of the world they want to be in. I have the exact same opinion about America. We don't belong over there.

 

[JoeB131]

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Regardless of a retired Naval Intelligence Officer who used to post and said that if Americans knew just how much the Israelis helped America that American citizens wouldn't begrudge Israel anyhing, most of the money allocated to Israel must be spent here in our defense industry, which gives jobs to American people. While people are always talking about this like you are, Joe, you completely overlook the tons of money we give to other countries, money which ends up in the pockets of dictators and tyrants and their cronies.

We can create more jobs building schools than building weapons. that argument doesn't fly.

And, no, Israel doesn't help america, it's really the cause of 90% of our problems in that part of the world.

And when you have the disgusting sight of GOP hopefuls flying to Las Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson's ring, you realize what a corrosive effect this has on our politics.

 

[toastman]

Also Joe, Israel has fought every war with her own troops and intelligence. Supplying money and weapons is only a small part of why Israel won all those wars.
On the other hand the Arabs who fought against Israel in every way had PLENTY of support from other Arab states who didn't participate in the war directly. Funny how that is NEVER mentioned when haters like you constantly bring up that America supplied Israel with arms blah blah and money .

 

[JoeB131]

Also Joe, Israel has fought every war with her own troops and intelligence. Supplying money and weapons is only a small part of why Israel won all those wars.
On the other hand the Arabs who fought against Israel in every way had PLENTY of support from other Arab states who didn't participate in the war directly. Funny how that is NEVER mentioned when haters like you constantly bring up that America supplied Israel with arms blah blah and money .

Guy, we subsidize Israel at a rate of 3 billion a year.

And we spend another couple billion paying off her neighbors to play nice.

That doesn't include the 100's of billions we spend playing Hall Monitor in the Middle East.

Of course, Israel doesn't fight its own wars. They didn't take out Saddam, we did. They didn't take out Khadafy, we did. ANd now they want us to take out Iran for them.

 

[toastman]

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Wow. Massive fail by you, again.

1948 5 Arab countries surrounded Israel and attacked

Because the Zionists illegally set up a Jewish State and took Arab land.

1956 Egyptian aggression started the war

No, they took back what was RIGHTFULLY theirs. The French and British were the interlopers. Even Eisenhower told them to knock it off.





Yeah, actually, it does.






Because they were chasing the PLO.

2006 Hezbollah fired rockets at Israel and then killed 5 soldiers and captured 2 of their corpses.

And that worked out so well for them.

In conclusion, every war was started by Arab aggression.

You mean defending Arab land against European Interlopers.

So you won't mind if the CHinese come into your neighborhood tomorrow and take your house? What if htey had a stone tablet inscribed by Bhudda?

Israel did not illegally set up a state. They legally declared independence after cessation of the Mandate.
And those 5 Arab states attacked Israel not the other way around. How you can claim that Israel started a war with all of them is beyond me.

As for the other ones, you still didn't refute anything I said.

Every single war was because of Arab aggression.

Fail. Again

 

[JoeB131]

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Israel did not illegally set up a state. They legally declared independence after cessation of the Mandate.
And those 5 Arab states attacked Israel not the other way around. How you can claim that Israel started a war with all of them is beyond me.

As for the other ones, you still didn't refute anything I said.

Every single war was because of Arab aggression.

Fail. Again

So how do you legally declare independence when the people who live there are against it?

Hey, the whites in Rhodesia declared "independence" as well. But most of the world saw what they did as a power grab.

 

[JoeB131]

Israel is a modern day "Crusader State".

We all know how that turned out, eventually.

 

[JoeB131]

Or to put it in it's proper perspective.

 

[toastman]

Also Joe, Israel has fought every war with her own troops and intelligence. Supplying money and weapons is only a small part of why Israel won all those wars.
On the other hand the Arabs who fought against Israel in every way had PLENTY of support from other Arab states who didn't participate in the war directly. Funny how that is NEVER mentioned when haters like you constantly bring up that America supplied Israel with arms blah blah and money .

Guy, we subsidize Israel at a rate of 3 billion a year.

And we spend another couple billion paying off her neighbors to play nice.

That doesn't include the 100's of billions we spend playing Hall Monitor in the Middle East.

Of course, Israel doesn't fight its own wars. They didn't take out Saddam, we did. They didn't take out Khadafy, we did. ANd now they want us to take out Iran for them.

LOL. The Iraq and Libya war was was fought by America. Israel had nothing to do with it, just because it may have benefited them.
Stop blaming Israel for what the US did.

 

[toastman]

Israel is a modern day "Crusader State".

We all know how that turned out, eventually.

Blah blah blah blah.

How can one person be full of so much shit.

BTW, thanks for proving my earlier statement that you only started this thread to trash Israel.

 

[JoeB131]

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LOL. The Iraq and Libya war was was fought by America. Israel had nothing to do with it, just because it may have benefited them.
Stop blaming Israel for what the US did.

Yeah, so, right. SO when all these Zionists in Washington went ahead and insisted we needed to do that like Kristol and Krauthammer and a bunch of other guys who are not sure which country they are loyal to....

Of course, it was nice when AIPAC tried toget us into the middle of Syria's civil war, and finally, people said "ENOUGH!!!"

 

[JoeB131]

Israel is a modern day "Crusader State".

We all know how that turned out, eventually.

Blah blah blah blah.

How can one person be full of so much shit.

BTW, thanks for proving my earlier statement that you only started this thread to trash Israel.

Not at all.

You guys are the ones who came here and said that any peace deal that involved swapping Pollard for Palestinians was unacceptable.

I'm perfectly willing to make good on that deal.

ON the larger question, though, not a fan of Israel, not happy with the outsized role it plays in our politics.

 

[JoeB131]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.