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[Phoenall]

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You think many of these Muslims don't want to take over here like they want to take over Europe? I suggest you watch The Third Jihad which is narrated by a Muslim himself. Meanwhile, it's a shame that you couldn't have laughed then at the Iranian poster who said that Islam is not just for the Iranians or the Arabs; it is for the entire world. Open up your eyes and see what is happening in Europe. Meanwhile, as one official for C.A.I.R. said -- Islam is not here in America to follow the Constitution but Sharia Law.

NO, i don't think that at all.

First, Muslims are not a hive-mind. I think you are confusing Muslims with Borg.

second, if htey want to take over Europe, they aren't doing a very good job of it. They actually control less of Europe than they did 500 years ago.

Have you ever dealt with muslims on a large scale, if you had you would see that they are a "hive mind" and to be dealt with in the same manner. The various nationalities of muslims all have the cultural make up, from marrying first cousins until the gene pool becomes depleted to practising beheadings from an early age. They follow a dictate that compels them to be violent or face death as violently as possible. They don't kill cleanly when they have to, instead they kill in a frenzy of blood lust. What you don't see is that they have started at the other end of Europe and their numbers are increasing slowly. Once they get to 10% of the population then they will start the take over.

 

[Phoenall]

I've never said anything about the Holocaust other than to say it was a terrible thing.

However, it doesn't excuse what the Zionists do to the Palestinians, any more than "Dad Beat Me" justifies a life of crime.

Of course. They should just turn over all their guns, and let the arabs wipe them out.

That would be great.

NO, they should go back to EUrope where they came from.

Now, it would be nice if you had a pluralistic state where Arabs and Jews had equal rights and equal political power... but more likely, most of them will emigrate out, and the ones that stay , you know, the poor ones, are going to be on the receiving end of whatever payback the Arabs come up with.

Why so the Nazi's like you can wipe them out.

They were invited by the LoN to migrate to their new National Home so they are there legally. Israel is pluralistic which is more than can said for any Palestinian state were non muslims are treated as slaves and less than animals. Just look at the Palestinian charter that calls for the death of all the worlds Jews. It seems that you are also thinking along the same lines and want the muslims to finish the Job started by Mohamed way back in 632 C.E.


Maybe the Palestinians should go back to Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Saudi were they belong as well...............

 

[Phoenall]

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'Whatever payback the Arabs come up with'

JoeB, don't take this is a bad way but, you are living in a world that is distant from what we call reality. Israelis aren't going to move to Europe and Arabs aren't going to payback the Jews lol.
My goodness, the shit that people come up with these days.

Don't take this the wrong way, but frankly, there's going to be a point where the Israelis are going to realize that moving to a place where your neighbors are willing to strap bombs onto their children to kill you isn't a place any sensible person would want to live.

Actually, I suspect when the Zionists fall, America will end up taking most of them.

So what will you say when they move next door to you and the muslims are still strapping bombs on their children and killing yours to get at the Jews. Any decent person would be calling their government to clamp down hard on the use of children as suicide bombers and would impose sanctions on the Palestinians until they changed their ways. The problems lie with the muslim culture and not with the Israelis, they are the ones that exist just for the violence and brutality of their Islamic religion.

 

[Phoenall]

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Go back to Europe? What a ridiculous thing to say, Joe.
Does that mean that every American citizen living in the U.S who's parents and grand parents are from Asia should move back there..

Of course now you could find Israelis who came directly from Europe because Israel was only created in 1948. But in time, people in Israel can honestly say that their parents, grand parents and great grand parents were born in Israel.

No one in Israel is going anywhere. They are citizens of the state of Israel

Israel won't exist in 40 years. It's already an international pariah. It will go the way of South Africa and Rhodesia.

Only to ANTISEMITIC ISLAMONAZI JEW HATERS and NAZIS like yourself. The majority of civilised people see Israel as the only free country in the centre of a hotbed of Islamic filth. If it does go that way then it will mean that islam has won and your country will be next.

 

[Phoenall]

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'Whatever payback the Arabs come up with'

JoeB, don't take this is a bad way but, you are living in a world that is distant from what we call reality. Israelis aren't going to move to Europe and Arabs aren't going to payback the Jews lol.
My goodness, the shit that people come up with these days.

Don't take this the wrong way, but frankly, there's going to be a point where the Israelis are going to realize that moving to a place where your neighbors are willing to strap bombs onto their children to kill you isn't a place any sensible person would want to live.

Actually, I suspect when the Zionists fall, America will end up taking most of them.

'When the Zionists fall'
*yawn*. Wake me up when that happens

Oh, and Arabs strap bombs on themselves in many other places in the ME . It has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Islam.
Very idiotic statement

You can always tell an ANTISEMITIC JEW HATING ISLAMONAZI they use the term Zionist as if it was a profanity. They cant bring themselves to say Jew because that means they have taken on some decency.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Don't take this the wrong way, but frankly, there's going to be a point where the Israelis are going to realize that moving to a place where your neighbors are willing to strap bombs onto their children to kill you isn't a place any sensible person would want to live.

Actually, I suspect when the Zionists fall, America will end up taking most of them.

'When the Zionists fall'
*yawn*. Wake me up when that happens

Oh, and Arabs strap bombs on themselves in many other places in the ME . It has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Islam.
Very idiotic statement

You can always tell an ANTISEMITIC JEW HATING ISLAMONAZI they use the term Zionist as if it was a profanity. They cant bring themselves to say Jew because that means they have taken on some decency.

Yes, I have noticed that, and they often can't bring themselves to type Israel and still call the land Palestine.

 

[jillian]

You can always tell an ANTISEMITIC JEW HATING ISLAMONAZI they use the term Zionist as if it was a profanity. They cant bring themselves to say Jew because that means they have taken on some decency.

i thought it was so they can say "what are you talking about? i'm not an anti-semite!"

of course, they're lying.

 

[jillian]

'When the Zionists fall'
*yawn*. Wake me up when that happens

Oh, and Arabs strap bombs on themselves in many other places in the ME . It has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Islam.
Very idiotic statement

You can always tell an ANTISEMITIC JEW HATING ISLAMONAZI they use the term Zionist as if it was a profanity. They cant bring themselves to say Jew because that means they have taken on some decency.

Yes, I have noticed that, and they often can't bring themselves to type Israel and still call the land Palestine.

which is interesting, since they have no problem with all of the muslim countries in the region that were established by the UN after the war and there's never been a country that was "palestine" (other than occupied british territory, but whatchagonnado?)

but we know why that is.

 

[Phoenall]

I've never said anything about the Holocaust other than to say it was a terrible thing.

However, it doesn't excuse what the Zionists do to the Palestinians, any more than "Dad Beat Me" justifies a life of crime.

That is what happens when the Arabs initiate Wars. Should have accepted Israels right to exist before 1967.

Okay, let's look at those wars.

1948- Started when the Zionists attacked the British authorities, and the Arab League attacke them in turn.

1956- Israel conspired with France and the UK to seize the Suez Canal.

1967- Israel struck first.

1973- this one the arabs started.

1982- Oops, sorry, Israel invaded Lebanon.

So maybe Israel should stop attacking her neighbors.

More ISLAMONAZI slanders, cant you bring yourself to say Jew

1948 the arab league invaded Israel, nothing to do with the British

1956 the Israelis attacked Egypt because of concerns over shipping through the suez canal

1967 The Israelis pre-emptively struck at Egypt who was mobilising for war against Israel. It was it return to an act of war done by Egypt

1973 the arabs started again

1982 Israel responded to constant attacks from Palestinian forces illegally using Lebanon to attack Israel.


So maybe you should stop reading ISLAMONAZI history and start reading true history.

 

[Phoenall]

Don't take this the wrong way, but frankly, there's going to be a point where the Israelis are going to realize that moving to a place where your neighbors are willing to strap bombs onto their children to kill you isn't a place any sensible person would want to live.

Actually, I suspect when the Zionists fall, America will end up taking most of them.

'When the Zionists fall'
*yawn*. Wake me up when that happens

Oh, and Arabs strap bombs on themselves in many other places in the ME . It has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Islam.
Very idiotic statement

Really? WHere are Bomb vests mentioned in the Koran? Being the Koranic Scholar that you are, you can point this out to us.

It all depends on what interpretation you put on the verses in the Koran, but they must be plausible to the muslims who engage in suicide bombings.

This explains it all.

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Suicide Bombing and Martyrdom

Question:
Are suicide bombings justified or condemned under Islam?

Summary Answer:
Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not.

"Suicide bomber" is a derogatory term invented in the West to try and describe what in Islam is known as a Fedayeen or Shahid - a martyr. The point of the bomber isn't suicide - it is to kill infidels in battle. This is not just permitted by Muhammad, but encouraged with liberal promises of earthy rewards in heaven, including food and sex.


So there you have it suicide bombers are seen as martyrs to the muslims

And here are the verses from the Koran and the interpretations from the hadiths

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Qur'an (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."

Qur'an (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

The dark-eyed virgins are mentioned in several places as well, including verses 44:54 and 52:20. For those who swing the other way, there are "perpetual youth" verse 6:17, otherwise known as "boys" verses 52:24 and 76:19.

Qur'an (17:33) "And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right" An important verse that is used by Shahid to not only justify their own deaths, but that of other bystanders who might be believers as well. The end justifies the means, with the goal being the defeat of the kafir and the establishment of Islamic rule.





From the Hadith:



Bukhari (52:54) - The words of Muhammad: "I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death.



Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Uhud, Muhammad was desperate to push men into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death.



Muslim (20:4655) - A man asks Muhammad "which of men is the best?" Muhammad replies that it is the man who is always ready for battle and flies into it "seeking death at places where it can be expected." (Tellingly perhaps, the next most saintly man in Islam is the hermit who lives in isolation "sparing men from his mischief.")



Muslim (20:4681) - "Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords." After hearing Muhammad say that martyrdom leads to paradise, a young man pulls his sword and breaks the sheath (indicating that he has no intention of returning) then flings himself into battle until he is killed.



Muslim (20.4635) - "Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him."

 

[jillian]

I've never said anything about the Holocaust other than to say it was a terrible thing.

However, it doesn't excuse what the Zionists do to the Palestinians, any more than "Dad Beat Me" justifies a life of crime.

That is what happens when the Arabs initiate Wars. Should have accepted Israels right to exist before 1967.

Okay, let's look at those wars.

1948- Started when the Zionists attacked the British authorities, and the Arab League attacke them in turn.

1956- Israel conspired with France and the UK to seize the Suez Canal.

1967- Israel struck first.

1973- this one the arabs started.

1982- Oops, sorry, Israel invaded Lebanon.

So maybe Israel should stop attacking her neighbors.

people who aren't antisemitic should understand that if you are attacked by rockets sent into your country by terrorists, you get to respond.... and protect yourself.... even if you're a jew.

i don't see any obligation for a jew to die for terrorist scum or to satisfy anti-semites who like jews only when they're dead.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

It is about time the Jewish nation now is like the Jewish nation of old. They stood up for what was right and did not give in to political correctness, helping their enemies, letting their enemies run up debts (millions of dollars in unpaid electric bill owed by the Palestinian Authority to Israel), and Israeli taxpayers are funding Gazans and Palestinian Authority citizens' hospital treatment in Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

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We already know how you feel about Israel and the Jews from the disgusting comments you made.
For 66 years, we've been hearing that Israel will be destroyed by this way or that way. After a while, it gets kind of boring.
But the thing is, Israel has existed beyond peoples beliefs. And in 40 years, haters like you will still be saying ' Israel will not exist in 40 years' .

Guy, please don't make this about "the Jews". A lot of the Jewish Community is about as embarrassed by Israel's behavior as the rest of the world is.

In fact, the Zionists new best friends are Fundimentalist Christians who want Israel around so Jesus can come back.

Point is, Israel hasn't won a war without help since 1967, and it's kind of hard to justify to Americans why we need to keep sending our tax dollars over there when our schools and roads are crumbling.

You are so overwhelmed with your hatred of the Jews that you don't even know what Zionists and Zionism mean. Did you know that before he was snubbed by the Jewish tribe in medina that Mohamed was a staunch Zionist..............


Israel had no help in 1948, 1967 or 1973 . As for sending tax dollars to Israel what about the repayments on those loans, because that is what they are, and the strings attached. The Israelis have to spend the money on American goods that keep American workers employed and paying taxes. Unless you want to see another 1930's depression with 90% unemployment I would advise you to do some research into what you know nothing about.
As for the state of your roads and schools ask your president why he is paying so much to unemployable migrants and treating obscure 3rd world diseases out of tax payers money. Why he is charging working people twice for health care while giving the dregs of society all the benefits. That is were your trouble stems from the muslim you elected as president.

 

[Phoenall]

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Wow. Massive fail by you, again.

1948 5 Arab countries surrounded Israel and attacked

Because the Zionists illegally set up a Jewish State and took Arab land.

1956 Egyptian aggression started the war

No, they took back what was RIGHTFULLY theirs. The French and British were the interlopers. Even Eisenhower told them to knock it off.





Yeah, actually, it does.






Because they were chasing the PLO.

2006 Hezbollah fired rockets at Israel and then killed 5 soldiers and captured 2 of their corpses.

And that worked out so well for them.

In conclusion, every war was started by Arab aggression.

You mean defending Arab land against European Interlopers.

So you won't mind if the CHinese come into your neighborhood tomorrow and take your house? What if htey had a stone tablet inscribed by Bhudda?

Not according to the LoN charter, the mandate and the UN. The land had never been arab since 1012 C.E. , and was not arab the day Israel declared independence. IT WAS BRITISH UNDER THE MANDATE so you fail on this

Did Egypt pay for the canal to be built, or were they being typically muslim and stealing what others had made.

It was a declaration of war which resulted in a return of fire, just like the USA did to Japan .

Was not arab land as they had never owned it for nearly 1,000 years. The arabs just tried to steal all of the land because of their Islamic culture

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

$3B will fund Obamacare for 1 month.

Anyway, let Pollard rot in prison. I can't believe the US was so desperate for a deal they'd throw this up for grabs.

Bush-41 was willing to discuss the same issue as part of the Oslo accords. then Cap Weinberger pitched a fit when it was suggested.

 

[JoeB131]

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Not according to the LoN charter, the mandate and the UN. The land had never been arab since 1012 C.E. , and was not arab the day Israel declared independence. IT WAS BRITISH UNDER THE MANDATE so you fail on this

Did Egypt pay for the canal to be built, or were they being typically muslim and stealing what others had made.

It was a declaration of war which resulted in a return of fire, just like the USA did to Japan .

Was not arab land as they had never owned it for nearly 1,000 years. The arabs just tried to steal all of the land because of their Islamic culture

No, the Arabs tried to take the land because the British promised them if they rose up against the Ottomans in WWI, they could have independence.

then the British, who have a talent for messing everything up, decided, 'Hey, wouldn't it be nice if we could resettle all of Europe's Jews there, because we certainly don't want them!"

Except not a whole lot of Europe's Jewry were too keen on the idea until Hitler tried to kill them all off.

The British had no business doing any of this. And we are still paying for their screwups today.

 

[Phoenall]

Guy, please don't make this about "the Jews". A lot of the Jewish Community is about as embarrassed by Israel's behavior as the rest of the world is.

In fact, the Zionists new best friends are Fundimentalist Christians who want Israel around so Jesus can come back.

Point is, Israel hasn't won a war without help since 1967, and it's kind of hard to justify to Americans why we need to keep sending our tax dollars over there when our schools and roads are crumbling.

Im not making this 'about Jews' . If we were strictly talking about Israel I would not have said that.
I'm refferring to the disgusting comments you've made in the past.

We get it Joe, you hate Israel and want her to be destroyed! People like you are a dime a dozen

Please point out any comments I've made about "the Jews", guy.

We'll wait.

Don't worry, you won't find any.

My issue is with Zionism (I like it better under it's original title, Aparthied)

I would prefer the Zionists come to their senses and realize that's really not a part of the world they want to be in. I have the exact same opinion about America. We don't belong over there.

Then how about you define exactly what you mean by Zionists and Zionism first so we can see just which hymn sheet you are singing from. You see it is an ISLAMONAZI trick to use these terms instead of Jew or Israel so they can skirt racism and civil rights laws. I believe that this is also the case with you and it all boils down to your unnatural fear of anything that gives the Jews a place of their own that they can defend against attack.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

Yes billion, that is my mistake.

Ih, and we've also been hearing for decades that America will cut off Israel blah blah blah.

When it comes to anti Zionists like yourselves, it's always 'this WILL happen to Israel and THAT will happen to Israel and the Arabs WILL DO THIS to Israel@
It's always future tense. When are any of these things ACTUALLY going to happen?

They are happening now. Most of Europe has had enough of Israel's nonsense, as has most of Latin America. It's only the United States where AIPAC still has our politicians spines in a lockbox.

And as I said, AIPAC said, "You got to go get Assad for us!" and America said, "Wait a minute..."

Progress.

 

[JoeB131]

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Then how about you define exactly what you mean by Zionists and Zionism first so we can see just which hymn sheet you are singing from. You see it is an ISLAMONAZI trick to use these terms instead of Jew or Israel so they can skirt racism and civil rights laws. I believe that this is also the case with you and it all boils down to your unnatural fear of anything that gives the Jews a place of their own that they can defend against attack.

NO, guy, I use Zionism for exactly what it is.

A lie.

The Lie of Zionism is "A land without a people for a people without a land."

But there were people on that land. The Zionists dispossessed them of their land.

Now, here's the thing. I have no use for any religion. Judiasm, Christianity, Islam. Religion has never done anything good in the whole of human history, not once, not even by accident.

So what offends me about Zionism is "My Sky Pixie gave me your land, and the whole world has to accept that no matter how horrible the consequences."

 

[Phoenall]

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Regardless of a retired Naval Intelligence Officer who used to post and said that if Americans knew just how much the Israelis helped America that American citizens wouldn't begrudge Israel anyhing, most of the money allocated to Israel must be spent here in our defense industry, which gives jobs to American people. While people are always talking about this like you are, Joe, you completely overlook the tons of money we give to other countries, money which ends up in the pockets of dictators and tyrants and their cronies.

We can create more jobs building schools than building weapons. that argument doesn't fly.

And, no, Israel doesn't help america, it's really the cause of 90% of our problems in that part of the world.

And when you have the disgusting sight of GOP hopefuls flying to Las Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson's ring, you realize what a corrosive effect this has on our politics.

But you cant generate the income to pay for the jobs or materials, unless you pay more in taxes. So either way you will see mass unemployment.

Check with your M.D. and see just how much comes from Israel and how much less it costs than the next cheapest. All part of the deal with Israel.
Then check with your local armed forces base on who is the cause of all your problems around the world and you will be told "the ayrabs sir"