US Might free Jonathan Pollard

[Sally]

Also Joe, Israel has fought every war with her own troops and intelligence. Supplying money and weapons is only a small part of why Israel won all those wars.
On the other hand the Arabs who fought against Israel in every way had PLENTY of support from other Arab states who didn't participate in the war directly. Funny how that is NEVER mentioned when haters like you constantly bring up that America supplied Israel with arms blah blah and money .

Guy, we subsidize Israel at a rate of 3 billion a year.

And we spend another couple billion paying off her neighbors to play nice.

That doesn't include the 100's of billions we spend playing Hall Monitor in the Middle East.

Of course, Israel doesn't fight its own wars. They didn't take out Saddam, we did. They didn't take out Khadafy, we did. ANd now they want us to take out Iran for them.

LOL. The Iraq and Libya war was was fought by America. Israel had nothing to do with it, just because it may have benefited them.

Stop blaming Israel for what the US did.

We give loads of money to Pakistan, and the Pakistani soldiers give information to the Taliban which in turn kill our soldiers.

 

[toastman]

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LOL. The Iraq and Libya war was was fought by America. Israel had nothing to do with it, just because it may have benefited them.
Stop blaming Israel for what the US did.

Yeah, so, right. SO when all these Zionists in Washington went ahead and insisted we needed to do that like Kristol and Krauthammer and a bunch of other guys who are not sure which country they are loyal to....

Of course, it was nice when AIPAC tried toget us into the middle of Syria's civil war, and finally, people said "ENOUGH!!!"

And what about all the other countries that fought in the war too? Did the Zionists convince them as well??
Forgot about them didn't you?? WHOOPS!

Your president ordered troops to go to Iraq. But like all Israel haters, you try to blame Israel for everything

 

[toastman]

Israel is a modern day "Crusader State".

We all know how that turned out, eventually.

Blah blah blah blah.

How can one person be full of so much shit.

BTW, thanks for proving my earlier statement that you only started this thread to trash Israel.

Not at all.

You guys are the ones who came here and said that any peace deal that involved swapping Pollard for Palestinians was unacceptable.

I'm perfectly willing to make good on that deal.

ON the larger question, though, not a fan of Israel, not happy with the outsized role it plays in our politics.

Too bad. Deal with it

 

[Sally]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.

Most Israelis are secular, and all they are doing is trying to defend themselves against those who would like to destroy her. Meanwhile, in the other Middle Eastern countries, you can see people killing the minorities in the name of their religion.

Say, maybe Joe is the one who will be able to convince Hamas and Fatah to change their charters about destroying Israel. If he is successful, then he can go on to the heads of the Arab League and convince them to look at a map and see the enormous amount of land that they rules so one tiny piece of land shouldn't make that much of a difference to them.

 

[JoeB131]

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And what about all the other countries that fought in the war too? Did the Zionists convince them as well??
Forgot about them didn't you?? WHOOPS!

Your president ordered troops to go to Iraq. But like all Israel haters, you try to blame Israel for everything

I'd love to be able to say that Bush isn't my President since he wasn't picked by the majority of the American people.

But I voted for that idiot.

And, no, going into Iraq was still a stupid idea. Most of our allies told Bush it was a stupid idea, and he did it anyway.

 

[JoeB131]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.

Most Israelis are secular, and all they are doing is trying to defend themselves against those who would like to destroy her. Meanwhile, in the other Middle Eastern countries, you can see people killing the minorities in the name of their religion.

Say, maybe Joe is the one who will be able to convince Hamas and Fatah to change their charters about destroying Israel. If he is successful, then he can go on to the heads of the Arab League and convince them to look at a map and see the enormous amount of land that they rules so one tiny piece of land shouldn't make that much of a difference to them.

I have no desire to convice Hamas of anything.

This is what you don't get. The Zionists and PLO can murder each other to the last man.

I really, honestly don't care and don't think it's worth one dollar of American treasure or one drop of American Blood.

The sheer stupidity of fighting over a strip of desert because an Imaginary Sky Pixie said so is the height of stupid, and we shouldn't be involved.

 

[JoeB131]

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ON the larger question, though, not a fan of Israel, not happy with the outsized role it plays in our politics.

Too bad. Deal with it

You're the one who has to deal with it.

Americans aren't playing the game anymore.

AIPAC tried to get us to take out Assad for them, and Americans said, "No. Enough!"

Good for us. About time.

so, yeah, Bush and Walker can go to Las Vegas and kiss Sheldon's ring, and Christie the Hutt can whip himself over having dared to call the West Bank and Gaza "Occuppied Territories", but average AMericans aren't playing along.

We've buried too many of our sons and daughters over their religious fantasies.

 

[toastman]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

 

[Sally]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.

Most Israelis are secular, and all they are doing is trying to defend themselves against those who would like to destroy her. Meanwhile, in the other Middle Eastern countries, you can see people killing the minorities in the name of their religion.

Say, maybe Joe is the one who will be able to convince Hamas and Fatah to change their charters about destroying Israel. If he is successful, then he can go on to the heads of the Arab League and convince them to look at a map and see the enormous amount of land that they rules so one tiny piece of land shouldn't make that much of a difference to them.

I have no desire to convice Hamas of anything.

This is what you don't get. The Zionists and PLO can murder each other to the last man.

I really, honestly don't care and don't think it's worth one dollar of American treasure or one drop of American Blood.

The sheer stupidity of fighting over a strip of desert because an Imaginary Sky Pixie said so is the height of stupid, and we shouldn't be involved.

You probably are the type, Joe, that would have told Americans to stay out of World War II. Meanwhile, I think if you were really worried about U.S. money, you would also be complaining about the money we allocate to many different countries, plus you would be complaining about all the money the U.S. gives the UN even though so many of the member states hate America. That all you want to do is concentrate on one little area of the world tells an awful lot about you.

 

[JoeB131]

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You probably are the type, Joe, that would have told Americans to stay out of World War II. Meanwhile, I think if you were really worried about U.S. money, you would also be complaining about the money we allocate to many different countries, plus you would be complaining about all the money the U.S. gives the UN even though so many of the member states hate America. That all you want to do is concentrate on one little area of the world tells an awful lot about you.

World War II, there was a compelling American interest.

And, no, Israel is our top recipiant of foreign aid. In second place is Egypt, which is effectively being bribed to honor hte Camp David Accords, which most Egyptians despise with a passion. (So much for "will of the people".)

That, of course, doesn't count the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars we spend every year playing politics in the middle east.

Americans are actually kind of stingy on foreign aid, and what we spend it on doesn't always go to good causes.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

 

[The Rabbi]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

$3B will fund Obamacare for 1 month.

Anyway, let Pollard rot in prison. I can't believe the US was so desperate for a deal they'd throw this up for grabs.

 

[Sally]

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You probably are the type, Joe, that would have told Americans to stay out of World War II. Meanwhile, I think if you were really worried about U.S. money, you would also be complaining about the money we allocate to many different countries, plus you would be complaining about all the money the U.S. gives the UN even though so many of the member states hate America. That all you want to do is concentrate on one little area of the world tells an awful lot about you.

World War II, there was a compelling American interest.

And, no, Israel is our top recipiant of foreign aid. In second place is Egypt, which is effectively being bribed to honor hte Camp David Accords, which most Egyptians despise with a passion. (So much for "will of the people".)

That, of course, doesn't count the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars we spend every year playing politics in the middle east.

Americans are actually kind of stingy on foreign aid, and what we spend it on doesn't always go to good causes.

Funny how Joe is so obsessed with what is allocated to Israel (everyone who reads the same script from the hate sites brings up the three billion), but he has nothing to say about the billions given to other countries around the world and the money that is given to help the illegal aliens in this country and all the billions that they send home.

 

[Hossfly]

Most Israelis are secular, and all they are doing is trying to defend themselves against those who would like to destroy her. Meanwhile, in the other Middle Eastern countries, you can see people killing the minorities in the name of their religion.

Say, maybe Joe is the one who will be able to convince Hamas and Fatah to change their charters about destroying Israel. If he is successful, then he can go on to the heads of the Arab League and convince them to look at a map and see the enormous amount of land that they rules so one tiny piece of land shouldn't make that much of a difference to them.

I have no desire to convice Hamas of anything.

This is what you don't get. The Zionists and PLO can murder each other to the last man.

I really, honestly don't care and don't think it's worth one dollar of American treasure or one drop of American Blood.

The sheer stupidity of fighting over a strip of desert because an Imaginary Sky Pixie said so is the height of stupid, and we shouldn't be involved.

You probably are the type, Joe, that would have told Americans to stay out of World War II. Meanwhile, I think if you were really worried about U.S. money, you would also be complaining about the money we allocate to many different countries, plus you would be complaining about all the money the U.S. gives the UN even though so many of the member states hate America. That all you want to do is concentrate on one little area of the world tells an awful lot about you.

Sally, this guy has no argument except the muslim talking points and Turnspeak they all use. He's merely the latest turd blossom to flourish amongst the other Jew haters. Not even worth answering. He'll slink away soon.

 

[toastman]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

Yes billion, that is my mistake.

Ih, and we've also been hearing for decades that America will cut off Israel blah blah blah.

When it comes to anti Zionists like yourselves, it's always 'this WILL happen to Israel and THAT will happen to Israel and the Arabs WILL DO THIS to Israel@
It's always future tense. When are any of these things ACTUALLY going to happen?

 

[RoccoR]

toastman, JoeB131, et al,

Just as a point of clarification.

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

Yes billion, that is my mistake.

Ih, and we've also been hearing for decades that America will cut off Israel blah blah blah.

When it comes to anti Zionists like yourselves, it's always 'this WILL happen to Israel and THAT will happen to Israel and the Arabs WILL DO THIS to Israel@
It's always future tense. When are any of these things ACTUALLY going to happen?

(COMMENT)

The more accurate figure is $30B over a decade, beginning 2007, ending 2017; or $3B per year on average. Grant money is only one class of aid.

But the bigger picture can be seen in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, June 2003, pages 20-23 - Special Report - The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion.

The real US concern in settling the conflict involves a number of interests. While the WP Article is dated, it is worth looking at because it gives you some idea of the long term cost associated with the dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Most of the Ashkenazi Jews have a shared genetic marker that only exists in those people who were related to Abraham of Biblical fame. It is transmitted along the matrilineal line so any male genes entering the pool would swamp the haplotype and eradicate it within 2 generations.
Not one of the arab tribes ever had that genetic marker, but some do have another that makes them prone to sickle cell anaemia, mainly the Egyptians. And the majority of Palestinians also have the same defective gene.

Really? Did they dig up Abraham's corpse and check it? (Psst. Psst. Abraham is a myth, and the Arabs trace their lineage to him as well through Ishmael.)

So what was the cause of the LoN mandate command to set up the Jewish National home in Palestine and probably extending from the sea to the eastern border of what is now Jordan. This comes from the San Remo conference in 1920. A full 25 years before the end of WW2 and a full 16 years before the rise to power of the German National Socialist Workers Party. So once again you invoke Goodwins Law and bring Hitler and the Holocaust into the equation.

But here was the thing. When the British, who were just looking for someone to help them colonize the area said, "Hey, open for business", here's what happened. Most of Europe's Jews were all like, "No, thanks, we're good here." It was only after the war you had them showing up by the boatload, with a lot of American and British help.

By the way the Palestinians never existed as a nationality before 1960, before that they were mongrel arab muslim itinerant workers going where there was work. Just as the American's were doing the same during the great depression that affected the whole world.

I'm not sure what you mean by a "nationality". Who was living in the place prior to 1920? Arabs or Jews?

They did not need to as many Jews that lived in the Holy Land could trace their lineage back over 3000 years. They showed the genetic marker that no other "indigenous" people in the area had. The same marker is present in the majority of Ashkenazi Jews and Ethiopian Jews as is present in the Sephardic Jews.

Do explain why it is so many muslims say the exact opposite and point to the census of 1922 as showing an increase in the Jewish population in the M.E. Then another census a decade later showed another increase through migration of Jews and muslims. Seems that History and reality knows more than you. Also after WW2 the British stopped all Jewish migration to Palestine because the arab league told then to or face attack.

Simple there was no nation of Palestine until 1988. it was just a blot on the map and took in parts of what is now Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel and Palestine. The inhabitants were muslims, Jewish and Christian people under the care of the ottoman empire and had no national identity. The muslims declared themselves to be Syrian and called the Jews Palestinians as an insult. It was not until the 1920's that parts of Palestine became nations and with it nationalities like Syrian and Jordanian.

 

[Phoenall]

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Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, fellow. The difference between South Africa and Israel in the treatment of people is that South African Blacks are citizens of their country and the Palestinians are not citizens of Israel. Any treatment the Palestinians receive is merited by their actions, good or bad.

Actually, Israel and South Africa are EXACTLY the same. A European people displacing the brown inhabitants of a region because God told them to.

They are the last vestiges of colonialism, an idea whose time has gone.

They are not a European people but a clearly Jewish people who can trace their lineage back to that land. The brown inhabitants are the invaders as the indigenous are light skinned. And they invaded because their moon god told them he was giving them all of the world as theirs.

 

[Phoenall]

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Love the way you Jew haters buy into the term "Palestinians" for Arab, but that's the way it is with you people

NOt that I accept your "guilt by association" fallacy, but let's play along.

If you just escaped people who wanted to turn you into lampshades and bars of soap, wouldn't the stupidest place to move be right amongst folks who also want to kill you, and then you give them a pretty good reason to justify their animosity.

Isn't that like the oppossite of "smart"?

Only one problem with your fantasy, the ones turned into lampshades and soap were dead. The ones that migrated to Israel were from another place were they never faced being made into soap or lampshades. It is like saying you migrated to the USA to get away from Catholic murder gangs who were intent on burning you at the stake.

 

[Phoenall]

I knew Joe started this thread to trash Israel and Jews.
He has posted some extremely nasty things about Jews and the Holocaust.

He's just another Jew hating Nazi shill.

I've never said anything about the Holocaust other than to say it was a terrible thing.

However, it doesn't excuse what the Zionists do to the Palestinians, any more than "Dad Beat Me" justifies a life of crime.

What have the Jews done to the Palestinians that is not covered by international law and the Geneva conventions. Using the term Zionist does not hide your ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED as many non Jews are Zionists in the true sense of the word.