US is not ready for Medicare for all

[Mac1958]

It would be helpful to the conversation if the Democrats hadn't dishonestly named Single Payer "Medicare for All".

The overall Medicare system includes choice, free market competition, and free market innovation via Medicare Advantage plans and Medicare Supplements. The "Medicare for All" plan being pushed by most of the Democrats does not.

It's difficult to have an important conversation like this when we're starting off with intellectual dishonesty.
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They've already dishonestly called socialist medical services "single payer", so why would they stop lying now?

And Medicare/Medicaid are both based upon coercion by The State...There is no "choice" whatsoever in that.

I believe you were sputtering something about intellectual dishonesty?

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. There's plenty of choice in Medicare Advantage plans, plenty of choice in Medicare Supplement plans. That's in terms of various plans offered by insurers, in terms of providers, in terms of network, in terms of levels of coverage, in terms of available formularies, and in terms of specific services.

I know that no amount of proof or information outside your universe is allowed, but just so I know I tried, here's a chance to educate yourself:

Does anyone have any choice as to whether they'll be robbed to support that scam?

About what I expected.

Dismissed. I can't educate someone who lives in a hole.
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[Siete]

Every one of the old fats on this board collect SS and use Medicare -- so they start OR find a thread and BITCH together like teenage girls on the rag about it.

 

[Oddball]

It would be helpful to the conversation if the Democrats hadn't dishonestly named Single Payer "Medicare for All".

The overall Medicare system includes choice, free market competition, and free market innovation via Medicare Advantage plans and Medicare Supplements. The "Medicare for All" plan being pushed by most of the Democrats does not.

It's difficult to have an important conversation like this when we're starting off with intellectual dishonesty.
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They've already dishonestly called socialist medical services "single payer", so why would they stop lying now?

And Medicare/Medicaid are both based upon coercion by The State...There is no "choice" whatsoever in that.

I believe you were sputtering something about intellectual dishonesty?

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. There's plenty of choice in Medicare Advantage plans, plenty of choice in Medicare Supplement plans. That's in terms of various plans offered by insurers, in terms of providers, in terms of network, in terms of levels of coverage, in terms of available formularies, and in terms of specific services.

I know that no amount of proof or information outside your universe is allowed, but just so I know I tried, here's a chance to educate yourself:

Does anyone have any choice as to whether they'll be robbed to support that scam?

About what I expected.

Dismissed. I can't educate someone who lives in a hole.
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Yeah...It's just filled to the fucking brim with "choice".

Is Medicare Mandatory? - Medicare Consumer

You sir, are a got-damned bootlicking statist buffoon.

 

[ElmerMudd]

US is not ready for Medicare for all.
Democrats, do not over play your hand when you are running against the worst President in our history.
US voters favor a hybrid system that includes a government that anyone can buy into along with a private option.
Do not let ideaology override practicality.

A majority of the ameican people support it, capital is not ready for all of us to have access to healthcare.

A majority of Americans support what?

 

[Mac1958]

It would be helpful to the conversation if the Democrats hadn't dishonestly named Single Payer "Medicare for All".

The overall Medicare system includes choice, free market competition, and free market innovation via Medicare Advantage plans and Medicare Supplements. The "Medicare for All" plan being pushed by most of the Democrats does not.

It's difficult to have an important conversation like this when we're starting off with intellectual dishonesty.
.

They've already dishonestly called socialist medical services "single payer", so why would they stop lying now?

And Medicare/Medicaid are both based upon coercion by The State...There is no "choice" whatsoever in that.

I believe you were sputtering something about intellectual dishonesty?

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. There's plenty of choice in Medicare Advantage plans, plenty of choice in Medicare Supplement plans. That's in terms of various plans offered by insurers, in terms of providers, in terms of network, in terms of levels of coverage, in terms of available formularies, and in terms of specific services.

I know that no amount of proof or information outside your universe is allowed, but just so I know I tried, here's a chance to educate yourself:

Does anyone have any choice as to whether they'll be robbed to support that scam?

About what I expected.

Dismissed. I can't educate someone who lives in a hole.
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Yeah...It's just filled to the fucking brim with "choice".

Is Medicare Mandatory? - Medicare Consumer

You sir, are a got-damned bootlicking statist buffoon.

You obviously didn't watch the videos.

Hide in your closet. Curse the gubmit. Keep that shotgun trained at the door. Chew that tobaccy.

Be miserable. I don't care. You're ignorant on this.
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[Oddball]

They've already dishonestly called socialist medical services "single payer", so why would they stop lying now?

And Medicare/Medicaid are both based upon coercion by The State...There is no "choice" whatsoever in that.

I believe you were sputtering something about intellectual dishonesty?

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. There's plenty of choice in Medicare Advantage plans, plenty of choice in Medicare Supplement plans. That's in terms of various plans offered by insurers, in terms of providers, in terms of network, in terms of levels of coverage, in terms of available formularies, and in terms of specific services.

I know that no amount of proof or information outside your universe is allowed, but just so I know I tried, here's a chance to educate yourself:

Does anyone have any choice as to whether they'll be robbed to support that scam?

About what I expected.

Dismissed. I can't educate someone who lives in a hole.
.

Yeah...It's just filled to the fucking brim with "choice".

Is Medicare Mandatory? - Medicare Consumer

You sir, are a got-damned bootlicking statist buffoon.

You obviously didn't watch the videos.

Hide in your closet. Curse the gubmit. Keep that shotgun trained at the door. Chew that tobaccy.

Be miserable. I don't care. You're ignorant on this.
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I don't give a fuck about your intellectually dishonest videos.

People are forced to pay into that scam, and if they want to recoup what was stolen from them, they have to sign up to receive recompense.

You obviously have an Orwellian understanding of what the word "choice" means.

 

[ElmerMudd]

US is not ready for Medicare for all.
Democrats, do not over play your hand when you are running against the worst President in our history.
US voters favor a hybrid system that includes a government that anyone can buy into along with a private option.
Do not let ideaology override practicality.

A majority of the ameican people support it, capital is not ready for all of us to have access to healthcare.

A majority of American people would also like their debt erased.

Medicare for all would help, what's the #1 reason for most mortgage foreclosures again?

I have conservative friends in Australia, Canada, UK and other nations that have universal healthcare and the majority like it.
But I feel it would be much better to ease into it rather than make an all or nothing program at one time.. An expanded Medicare program for those who want it and a private plan for those who want that. From the learning of the hybrid program, changes can be planned.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. There's plenty of choice in Medicare Advantage plans, plenty of choice in Medicare Supplement plans. That's in terms of various plans offered by insurers, in terms of providers, in terms of network, in terms of levels of coverage, in terms of available formularies, and in terms of specific services.

I know that no amount of proof or information outside your universe is allowed, but just so I know I tried, here's a chance to educate yourself:

Does anyone have any choice as to whether they'll be robbed to support that scam?

About what I expected.

Dismissed. I can't educate someone who lives in a hole.
.

Yeah...It's just filled to the fucking brim with "choice".

Is Medicare Mandatory? - Medicare Consumer

You sir, are a got-damned bootlicking statist buffoon.

You obviously didn't watch the videos.

Hide in your closet. Curse the gubmit. Keep that shotgun trained at the door. Chew that tobaccy.

Be miserable. I don't care. You're ignorant on this.
.

I don't give a fuck about your intellectually dishonest videos.

People are forced to pay into that scam, and if they want to recoup what was stolen from them, they have to sign up to receive recompense.

You obviously have an Orwellian understanding of what the word "choice" means.

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

 

[Oddball]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

why not? If someone freely chooses not to carry health insurance why should we have to pay for their choice?

 

[Mac1958]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

why not? If someone freely chooses not to carry health insurance why should we have to pay for their choice?

Let 'em rot in the street! Fuck 'em!

After all, this is the Old West, every man fer himself!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

why not? If someone freely chooses not to carry health insurance why should we have to pay for their choice?

Let 'em rot in the street! Fuck 'em!

After all, this is the Old West, every man fer himself!

It is one of those oddities....the same people that do not want to be forced to do things have no issue with the government forcing doctors and hospitals to provide care despite lack of ability to be compensated for their service and products by the one being treated.

 

[Mac1958]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

why not? If someone freely chooses not to carry health insurance why should we have to pay for their choice?

Let 'em rot in the street! Fuck 'em!

After all, this is the Old West, every man fer himself!

It is one of those oddities....the same people that do not want to be forced to do things have no issue with the government forcing doctors and hospitals to provide care despite lack of ability to be compensated for their service and products by the one being treated.

Yup. It's a waste of time trying to pierce the bubble.

Ask them how Medicare works, they launch into talk radio platitudes. Ask them how the Meltdown happened, they launch into talk radio platitudes.

They. Just. Don't. Know.

It's kind of funny, but more than that, it's dangerous.
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[Care4all]

US is not ready for Medicare for all.
Democrats, do not over play your hand when you are running against the worst President in our history.
US voters favor a hybrid system that includes a government that anyone can buy into along with a private option.
Do not let ideaology override practicality.

A majority of the ameican people support it, capital is not ready for all of us to have access to healthcare.

A majority of American people would also like their debt erased.

Medicare for all would help, what's the #1 reason for most mortgage foreclosures again?

I have conservative friends in Australia, Canada, UK and other nations that have universal healthcare and the majority like it.
But I feel it would be much better to ease into it rather than make an all or nothing program at one time.. An expanded Medicare program for those who want it and a private plan for those who want that. From the learning of the hybrid program, changes can be planned.

do not worry... even if Warren becomes president, it can't happen without full support....

have you seen the 10 democratic candidates in the debates? NONE agree with one another on anything other than they all know our health care system needs improvement... the country is not ready for something like this either..

she simply can't shove anything down our throats

Having a public option for those who want it or need it, would be the farthest the proposal would go...

the real issues left with our system all involve affordability....high premiums, high deductibles, high out of pocket expense, high drug costs.... focus on those things and what could lower costs, both sides of the aisle should focus on improving...

 

[ElmerMudd]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

You choose to not buy insurance, you save a lot of money compared to those who buy it. But if you choose not to buy it you should not have the benefits of those who do buy it.
It is either mandatory insurance for all, a national health insurance program or everyone has a choice to buy insurance but if they do not buy insurance they must pay the consequences. When insurance is a choice, like today, we all pay for those who do not buy insurance by covering uncompensated care.
The only way a free market for insurance works financially is you have to let those who choose not to buy pay the consequences.

 

[ElmerMudd]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

You choose to not buy insurance, you save a lot of money compared to those who buy it. But if you choose not to buy it you should not have the benefits of those who do buy it.
It is either mandatory insurance for all, a national health insurance program or everyone has a choice to buy insurance but if they do not buy insurance they must pay the consequences. When insurance is a choice, like today, we all pay for those who do not buy insurance by covering uncompensated care.
The only way a free market for insurance works financially is you have to let those who choose not to buy pay the consequences.

Elmer, you are disgusting individual saying let people die in the streets if they do not have insurance. It is almost as bad as Trump abandoning our Kurdish allies to be slaughtered by the Turks, Russians, Iranians and Syrians.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

why not? If someone freely chooses not to carry health insurance why should we have to pay for their choice?

Let 'em rot in the street! Fuck 'em!

After all, this is the Old West, every man fer himself!

It is one of those oddities....the same people that do not want to be forced to do things have no issue with the government forcing doctors and hospitals to provide care despite lack of ability to be compensated for their service and products by the one being treated.

Yup. It's a waste of time trying to pierce the bubble.

Ask them how Medicare works, they launch into talk radio platitudes. Ask them how the Meltdown happened, they launch into talk radio platitudes.

They. Just. Don't. Know.

It's kind of funny, but more than that, it's dangerous.
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There is a part of me that looks forward to Trump introducing it as "Trump care" and watching all of these people that are dead set against it all of a sudden support it like they have been in favor of it their whole life.

 

[Oddball]

I do feel for those who choose not to have healthcare and I emphasize CHOOSE, should be left to die if they have a catastrophic health issue and no means to pay for it.

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

why not? If someone freely chooses not to carry health insurance why should we have to pay for their choice?

Let 'em rot in the street! Fuck 'em!

After all, this is the Old West, every man fer himself!

It is one of those oddities....the same people that do not want to be forced to do things have no issue with the government forcing doctors and hospitals to provide care despite lack of ability to be compensated for their service and products by the one being treated.

Yup. It's a waste of time trying to pierce the bubble.

Ask them how Medicare works, they launch into talk radio platitudes. Ask them how the Meltdown happened, they launch into talk radio platitudes.

They. Just. Don't. Know.

It's kind of funny, but more than that, it's dangerous.
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Medicare "works" by coercion, confiscation, and redistribution...All of its "choices" are within the framework of this original centralized State aggression....Marxism lite.

But it is instructive to see your pal, the fake libertarian, carrying the water for statism.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Oh fuck you....Nobody is being left to "die in the streets".

why not? If someone freely chooses not to carry health insurance why should we have to pay for their choice?

Let 'em rot in the street! Fuck 'em!

After all, this is the Old West, every man fer himself!

It is one of those oddities....the same people that do not want to be forced to do things have no issue with the government forcing doctors and hospitals to provide care despite lack of ability to be compensated for their service and products by the one being treated.

Yup. It's a waste of time trying to pierce the bubble.

Ask them how Medicare works, they launch into talk radio platitudes. Ask them how the Meltdown happened, they launch into talk radio platitudes.

They. Just. Don't. Know.

It's kind of funny, but more than that, it's dangerous.
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Medicare "works" by coercion, confiscation, and redistribution...All of its "choices" are within the framework of this original centralized State aggression....Marxism lite.

But it is instructive to see your pal, the fake libertarian, carrying the water for statism.

Hell yes Oddscrotum, Medicare is socialism. Let the free market rule.
As you get old it is like buying auto insurance for a car with 300,000 miles on it. Insurance is based on risk. In a free market old people pay thousands a month because they are high risk. In a free market the government does not step in to pay for those without insurance. The government would go broke.
And what about the socialist school system in the US. People without kids pay taxes to pay for schools for children that are not theirs. The hell with that. People with kids pay and figure out schools on their own. And what about fire departments and police? We pay to support through taxes but what if we never have a fire or a problem requiring police. This is all BS, Oddscrotum. I am with you.

 

[ThisIsMe]

What happens when, say, 10 years from now, government has enacted Medicare for all, many private insurance companies have had to close their doors and access to private insurance is no longer an option, or at least an affordable option.

Now, the government has you in its clutches and you have nowhere to go. Government realizes that the current income will not support the system, so now they have to start raising taxes every year to pay for it.

Oh, and that promise that, once you're on MFA that there will be no more copays, no more prescription costs and medical treatment will be free, that will go away once they realize the cost is going to be MUCH higher than they anticipated, and people are going to the doctor for every little ache and pain.

It wont be long before they start saying "well, looks like we will need to start charging a copay after all, aaaaaaand.....were going to need you to chip in about 30% of the cost of your prescriptions.....aaaaaaaand.....were going to have to raise your taxes by another $500 next year to help cover costs..."

And now....you have nowhere to go, because all your old insurance companies are gone.

I've heard people say "it will be cheaper because we won't have to pay some ceo 15 million a year".....really?? You think government run health care wont have its share of people siphoning from the system? Instead of a ceo being paid 15 million a year, you'll have politicians raiding the fund for 15 million per year.

Government has never been the bastion of efficiency. Government is wasteful and spendy, and there is never a pool of money yet that the government cant leave alone. They see money setting somewhere, they have to spend it. The same will happen with this Medicare for all taxation money.