US helped Israel with H-bomb - 1980s report declassified

[fanger]

Conceding to a federal lawsuit, the US government agreed to release a 1987 Defense Department report detailing US assistance to Israel in its development of a hydrogen bomb, which skirted international standards.

The 386-page report, “Critical Technology Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations,” likens top Israeli nuclear facilities to the Los Alamos and Oak Ridge National Laboratories that were key in the development of US nuclear weaponry.

Israelis are "developing the kind of codes which will enable them to make hydrogen bombs. That is, codes which detail fission and fusion processes on a microscopic and macroscopic level,” said the report, the release of which comes before Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's March 3 speech in front of the US Congress in which he will oppose any deal that allows Iran's legal nuclear program to persist.





"I am struck by the degree of cooperation on specialized war making devices between Israel and the US," Roger Mattson, a formerly of the Atomic Energy Commission’s technical staff, said of the report, according to Courthouse News.
"It's our basic position that in 1987 the Department of Defense discovered that Israel had a nuclear weapons program, detailed it and then has covered it up for 25 years in violation of the Symington and Glenn amendments, costing $86 billion,” Smith said during a hearing in late 2014 before Judge Tanya Chutkan in US District Court for the District of Columbia.

US helped Israel with H-bomb - 1980s report declassified RT USA
"The Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 prohibits most U.S. foreign aid to any country found trafficking in nuclear enrichment equipment or technology outside international safeguards,”

“The Glenn Amendment of 1977 calls for an end to U.S. foreign aid to countries that import nuclear reprocessing technology."

 

[Ringel05]

Oh well, life's a bitch.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Hey, that's great.

Glad we helped!

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Conceding to a federal lawsuit, the US government agreed to release a 1987 Defense Department report detailing US assistance to Israel in its development of a hydrogen bomb, which skirted international standards.

The 386-page report, “Critical Technology Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations,” likens top Israeli nuclear facilities to the Los Alamos and Oak Ridge National Laboratories that were key in the development of US nuclear weaponry.

Israelis are "developing the kind of codes which will enable them to make hydrogen bombs. That is, codes which detail fission and fusion processes on a microscopic and macroscopic level,” said the report, the release of which comes before Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's March 3 speech in front of the US Congress in which he will oppose any deal that allows Iran's legal nuclear program to persist.





"I am struck by the degree of cooperation on specialized war making devices between Israel and the US," Roger Mattson, a formerly of the Atomic Energy Commission’s technical staff, said of the report, according to Courthouse News.
"It's our basic position that in 1987 the Department of Defense discovered that Israel had a nuclear weapons program, detailed it and then has covered it up for 25 years in violation of the Symington and Glenn amendments, costing $86 billion,” Smith said during a hearing in late 2014 before Judge Tanya Chutkan in US District Court for the District of Columbia.

US helped Israel with H-bomb - 1980s report declassified RT USA
"The Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 prohibits most U.S. foreign aid to any country found trafficking in nuclear enrichment equipment or technology outside international safeguards,”

“The Glenn Amendment of 1977 calls for an end to U.S. foreign aid to countries that import nuclear reprocessing technology."

...And? North Korea has nukes, but this is what you choose to worry about?

 

[RoccoR]

fanger, et al,

I don't quite understand your point. What does this nearly 30 year old report tell us?

At the time of the report (1987):

They are still hampered in being able to design and produce fusion weapons or other more complicated device. Utilizing fusion and fission in the same configuration. As far as nuclear technology is concerned the Israelis are roughly where the US was in the fission weapon field in about 1955 to 1960. (Page III-4)
​

Trying to use that ancient information today to extrapolate where the program might have gone 30 years is a fruitless effort. It really doesn't confirm the existence of an Israeli Nuclear Weapons Program in 2015. The Report said:

It should be noted that the Israelis are developing the klnd of codes which will enable them to make hydrogen bombs. That is, codes which detail fission and fusion processes on microscopic and macroscopic leveI. However, it is doubtful they have the codes to completely design such devices. as these involve more exotic radiation transport and are multidimensional. The Israelis do not yet have the capability to carry out these kinds of calculations. (Page III-4)​

(QUESTION)

So, what is the real question here?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[dilloduck]

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

 

[pbel]

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

A.I.P.A.C.

 

[fanger]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's upcoming March 3 speech in front of the US Congress, in which he will oppose any deal that allows Iran's legal nuclear program to persist

 

[RoccoR]

dilloduck, et al,

Hypocrisy (the practice of engaging in the same behavior for which Israel criticizes anothers) is not at issue. The US cannot deny it has such weapons as the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) addresses; they have been tested and used.

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

(COMMENT)

Israel has a policy of, what some would consider, being deliberately ambiguous; it neither confirms nor denies that is has a nuclear weapons program. The Israeli position is legal and has political strategies, approaches and policies in an endeavor aimed at nation stability and defense.

• Israel's policy does not mean it is opposed to non-proliferation.
• Israel is not opposed to the move towards disarmament by other nations.
• And Israel's policy does not run counter to the theory that all countries can access peaceful nuclear technology.

But Israel will act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest. Israel does not need to become a treaty member to hold these basic tenants. To date, Israel has not been the object of substantiated allegations that they are engaged in unsanctioned nuclear activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Conceding to a federal lawsuit, the US government agreed to release a 1987 Defense Department report detailing US assistance to Israel in its development of a hydrogen bomb, which skirted international standards.

The 386-page report, “Critical Technology Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations,” likens top Israeli nuclear facilities to the Los Alamos and Oak Ridge National Laboratories that were key in the development of US nuclear weaponry.

Israelis are "developing the kind of codes which will enable them to make hydrogen bombs. That is, codes which detail fission and fusion processes on a microscopic and macroscopic level,” said the report, the release of which comes before Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's March 3 speech in front of the US Congress in which he will oppose any deal that allows Iran's legal nuclear program to persist.





"I am struck by the degree of cooperation on specialized war making devices between Israel and the US," Roger Mattson, a formerly of the Atomic Energy Commission’s technical staff, said of the report, according to Courthouse News.
"It's our basic position that in 1987 the Department of Defense discovered that Israel had a nuclear weapons program, detailed it and then has covered it up for 25 years in violation of the Symington and Glenn amendments, costing $86 billion,” Smith said during a hearing in late 2014 before Judge Tanya Chutkan in US District Court for the District of Columbia.

US helped Israel with H-bomb - 1980s report declassified RT USA
"The Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 prohibits most U.S. foreign aid to any country found trafficking in nuclear enrichment equipment or technology outside international safeguards,”

“The Glenn Amendment of 1977 calls for an end to U.S. foreign aid to countries that import nuclear reprocessing technology."

So it does not actually say that Israel built a nuclear weapon, just that they were given assistance to develop the codes which detail fission and fusion processes on a microscopic and macroscopic level. Which could be for nothing more than more economical and more efficient nuclear reactors for generating electricity. Much as Russia has been doing with Iran in recent years. Does this mean Iran is on the verge of building a nuclear bomb using your criteria ?

 

[MJB12741]

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

A.I.P.A.C.

YES! God bless the USA & AIPAC. As long as America has AIPAC there will never be sharia law here in the USA.

 

[Phoenall]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's upcoming March 3 speech in front of the US Congress, in which he will oppose any deal that allows Iran's legal nuclear program to persist

And when they say sorry after detonating a 100 megaton device over Tel Aviv you will accept that and say what about the dead and dying Jews. Then what will you say about the retaliation from Israel and Iran is turned into nuclear glass.

 

[Challenger]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's upcoming March 3 speech in front of the US Congress, in which he will oppose any deal that allows Iran's legal nuclear program to persist

And when they say sorry after detonating a 100 megaton device over Tel Aviv you will accept that and say what about the dead and dying Jews. Then what will you say about the retaliation from Israel and Iran is turned into nuclear glass.

"This is a great day for the Air Defense Forces, for the Air Force, the defense establishment and, I would say, for the State of Israel. As of today, we have completed the acceptance of the only weapon system of its kind in the entire world. We are the first to succeed in developing, building and operating a defense system against ballistic missiles" --- IAF talking about the Arrow ABM system.

Have faith, Phoney....

 

[montelatici]

dilloduck, et al,

Hypocrisy (the practice of engaging in the same behavior for which Israel criticizes anothers) is not at issue. The US cannot deny it has such weapons as the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) addresses; they have been tested and used.

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

(COMMENT)

Israel has a policy of, what some would consider, being deliberately ambiguous; it neither confirms nor denies that is has a nuclear weapons program. The Israeli position is legal and has political strategies, approaches and policies in an endeavor aimed at nation stability and defense.

• Israel's policy does not mean it is opposed to non-proliferation.
• Israel is not opposed to the move towards disarmament by other nations.
• And Israel's policy does not run counter to the theory that all countries can access peaceful nuclear technology.

But Israel will act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest. Israel does not need to become a treaty member to hold these basic tenants. To date, Israel has not been the object of substantiated allegations that they are engaged in unsanctioned nuclear activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

The report demonstrates that the U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987, and that the U.S. Government broke the law in contravention of the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

And, of course Israel's policy runs counter to non-proliferation, Israel proliferated.

Interesting that this was exposed now, timed to coincide with the conclusion (successful or not) of the negotiations with Iran. But I am sure Rocco agrees that Iran should also "act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest". And with a nuclear Israel nearby, by that does not hesitate to attack, invade and occupy nearby countries, e.g. Lebanon, Iran must consider the danger they would their population in without a robust deterrent or guarantees from a nuclear power, e.g. Russia/China/France to provide the deterrent.

 

[fanger]

Iran — which is routinely inspected by the International Atomic Energy Administration, has signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (unlike the Middle East’s only nuclear power, Israel), and is complying with the interim agreement negotiated with the United States and other powers — has not sought nuclear weapons. American and Israeli intelligence agencies agree" Israel, which stole U.S. nuclear technology, is the real problem and will continue to promote war if U.S. politicians are stupid enough to support them.

 

[fanger]

Israel Slams Diplomacy, Threatens to Attack Iran

The Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs is a position initially created in 2006 to give hawkish Avigdor Lieberman a position of nominal foreign policy. The portfolio’s role is simply to threaten Iran on a regular basis. Current Minister Yuval Steinitz takes that job very seriously.

On Thursday, Steinitz warned Israel could unilaterally attack Iran at any time, with no warning at all, and would consider it “self defense” because they consider the ongoing nuclear negotiations a failure.

Steinitz condemned the ongoing negotiations, saying that Iran had “failed to make concessions” on their civilian nuclear program, even though they demonstrably made a number of concessions, and the IAEA has repeatedly noted that they’ve abided by them.

Israel Slams Diplomacy Threatens to Attack Iran -- News from Antiwar.com

 

[dilloduck]

Israel sees no problem with them having a nuke and trying to prevent Iran from having one. And we wonder why Arabs are pissed at America.....

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I don't see anything in the report that suggests that: "U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987."

dilloduck, et al,

Hypocrisy (the practice of engaging in the same behavior for which Israel criticizes anothers) is not at issue. The US cannot deny it has such weapons as the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) addresses; they have been tested and used.

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

(COMMENT)

Israel has a policy of, what some would consider, being deliberately ambiguous; it neither confirms nor denies that is has a nuclear weapons program. The Israeli position is legal and has political strategies, approaches and policies in an endeavor aimed at nation stability and defense.

• Israel's policy does not mean it is opposed to non-proliferation.
• Israel is not opposed to the move towards disarmament by other nations.
• And Israel's policy does not run counter to the theory that all countries can access peaceful nuclear technology.

But Israel will act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest. Israel does not need to become a treaty member to hold these basic tenants. To date, Israel has not been the object of substantiated allegations that they are engaged in unsanctioned nuclear activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

The report demonstrates that the U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987, and that the U.S. Government broke the law in contravention of the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

And, of course Israel's policy runs counter to non-proliferation, Israel proliferated.

Interesting that this was exposed now, timed to coincide with the conclusion (successful or not) of the negotiations with Iran. But I am sure Rocco agrees that Iran should also "act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest". And with a nuclear Israel nearby, by that does not hesitate to attack, invade and occupy nearby countries, e.g. Lebanon, Iran must consider the danger they would their population in without a robust deterrent or guarantees from a nuclear power, e.g. Russia/China/France to provide the deterrent.

(COMMENT)

In fact it almost says the opposite.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[dilloduck]

montelatici, et al,

I don't see anything in the report that suggests that: "U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987."

dilloduck, et al,

Hypocrisy (the practice of engaging in the same behavior for which Israel criticizes anothers) is not at issue. The US cannot deny it has such weapons as the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) addresses; they have been tested and used.

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

(COMMENT)

Israel has a policy of, what some would consider, being deliberately ambiguous; it neither confirms nor denies that is has a nuclear weapons program. The Israeli position is legal and has political strategies, approaches and policies in an endeavor aimed at nation stability and defense.

• Israel's policy does not mean it is opposed to non-proliferation.
• Israel is not opposed to the move towards disarmament by other nations.
• And Israel's policy does not run counter to the theory that all countries can access peaceful nuclear technology.

But Israel will act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest. Israel does not need to become a treaty member to hold these basic tenants. To date, Israel has not been the object of substantiated allegations that they are engaged in unsanctioned nuclear activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

The report demonstrates that the U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987, and that the U.S. Government broke the law in contravention of the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

And, of course Israel's policy runs counter to non-proliferation, Israel proliferated.

Interesting that this was exposed now, timed to coincide with the conclusion (successful or not) of the negotiations with Iran. But I am sure Rocco agrees that Iran should also "act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest". And with a nuclear Israel nearby, by that does not hesitate to attack, invade and occupy nearby countries, e.g. Lebanon, Iran must consider the danger they would their population in without a robust deterrent or guarantees from a nuclear power, e.g. Russia/China/France to provide the deterrent.

(COMMENT)

In fact it almost says the opposite.

Most Respectfully,
R

Show us where is says that the US had no idea what Israel was doing re: Nukes.

 

[RoccoR]

dilloduck, et al,

This is a negative knowledge assumption.

Show us where is says that the US had no idea what Israel was doing re: Nukes.

(COMMENT)

The US may have understood the research in Israel. The report examines the ability for fabrication, but never actually had hard evidence to support the claim that a weapon had been fabricated.

Most Respectfully,
R